July 14, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Yup. There is nothing without risk. The damage being done to the kids by keeping the schools closed is too great to not try to work around, though. Thousands have said otherwise and any recommendations I have read to open schools includes guidelines distancing for the students (and suggest distance learning if it's not possible). It's pretty simple, without a laid out plan most parents/staff are going to have issues with this.
July 14, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Yup. There is nothing without risk. The damage being done to the kids by keeping the schools closed is too great to not try to work around, though. What is a work around exactly? School today, whoops not tomorrow someone in the class has a fever, there so many variables. WE all want the kids in school
July 14, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, The_Omega said: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/29/884638999/u-s-pediatricians-call-for-in-person-school-this-fall Quote The guidance for returning to in-person schooling includes recommendations about physical distancing, cleaning and disinfection, hand-washing, and using outdoor spaces whenever possible.
July 14, 20205 yr 29 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: What # of deaths would you consider acceptable from schools being open? What a stupid f’ing question. Do you accept responsibility for every death resulting from the shutdowns?
July 14, 20205 yr 32 minutes ago, DiPros said: What is a work around exactly? School today, whoops not tomorrow someone in the class has a fever, there so many variables. WE all want the kids in school Saying that people want kids back in school, but without risk, belies the original claim.
July 14, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, The_Omega said: Saying that people want kids back in school, but without risk, belies the original claim. I would support sending my kids to school but plans/alternatives need to be provided. You know, a thought-out plan.
July 14, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, The_Omega said: What a stupid f’ing question. Do you accept responsibility for every death resulting from the shutdowns? You said there was some risk involved. I didn’t say that. I assumed you meant people dying was the risk. What is the risk if that’s not it?
July 14, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, Paul852 said: I would support sending my kids to school but plans/alternatives need to be provided. You know, a thought-out plan. Most states/districts appear to be going that route. I'm surprised by Orange County.
July 14, 20205 yr Shouldn't be a one size fits all approach. For a smaller private school like the ones my kids go to, I think its a bit more feasible than a large public school district like Philly or LA unified. Giving parents options is always a good guiding principle as well. As parents my wife and I are torn. We want everyone to be safe, however, more time out of the physical classroom would be extremely damaging to our one child with a learning and processing disability. The boy would likely be fine online again but he's a little guy and needs help. With 2 parents working, that's not practical. The idea that this should be a decision made by the federal government is absurd. Trump supporters should be banned from ever identifying themselves as small government conservatives or states rights advocates for life.
July 14, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: You said there was some risk involved. I didn’t say that. I assumed you meant people dying was the risk. What is the risk if that’s not it? Bull crap. You want lock downs. How many deaths are acceptable to call your plan a success?
July 14, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Bull crap. You want lock downs. How many deaths are acceptable to call your plan a success? Deaths from what? Covid or something else? Again, what are the risks? I’m legitimately curious what you think the risks are. That was your word, not mine.
July 14, 20205 yr 23 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Saying that people want kids back in school, but without risk, belies the original claim. And you want your life, the economy, and schools perfectly back to normal, but without sacrifice. Other western countries had some measure of success fighting this. Our country had some scattered shutdowns, after like week 3, we had people storming city halls to "reopen the economy" so they could go to the barber, others considered masks unconstitutional, the president is tweeting "LIBERATE MICHIGAN" and now you wanna talk about taking risks. Sure, sure...the Trump supporters seem like a measured and reasonable bunch with whom I'd happily take risks with the health of my family...
July 14, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, The_Omega said: Yup. There is nothing without risk. The damage being done to the kids by keeping the schools closed is too great to not try to work around, though. How about parents step up and actually be Fing parents for once. Stop relying and blaming others for your children. Millions of resources for parents to continue to educate their children.
July 14, 20205 yr 19 minutes ago, Gannan said: Shouldn't be a one size fits all approach. For a smaller private school like the ones my kids go to, I think its a bit more feasible than a large public school district like Philly or LA unified. Giving parents options is always a good guiding principle as well. As parents my wife and I are torn. We want everyone to be safe, however, more time out of the physical classroom would be extremely damaging to our one child with a learning and processing disability. The boy would likely be fine online again but he's a little guy and needs help. With 2 parents working, that's not practical. The idea that this should be a decision made by the federal government is absurd. Trump supporters should be banned from ever identifying themselves as small government conservatives or states rights advocates for life. The problem is there is so many issues with opening schools. Good luck keeping any kids under 10 wearing a mask all day everyday. I went to suburban public schools from elementary, middle, and high school and zero chance they have the space to space out. I'd say most classes averaged 25 kids or so. Most of the country can't have much outdoor learning thanks to the weather for most of the school year. Don't forget lunch, we used those long tables and crammed students basically side by side. In person learning is definitely much better, but there is so many challenges to even meet some basic guidelines. This is sadly going to just blow up even more cases. Of course, the bigger argument here is too the attacking and budget slashing of education over the years. Granted there is waste, but I mean look at the bloated police who get paid more and at least in the suburbs were significantly safer and more useless than any teacher I had. I have no idea how to get kids back to school and glad I am not in a position with any of this. This though points to larger problems societally as school has become day care in a sense due to the middle class being completely squeezed since the 1960s.
July 14, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: How about parents step up and actually be Fing parents for once. Stop relying and blaming others for your children. Millions of resources for parents to continue to educate their children. Uh huh
July 14, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, Lloyd said: And you want your life, the economy, and schools perfectly back to normal, but without sacrifice.
July 14, 20205 yr Would you send you child to school if you had to sign a waiver? What we are finding out in my area is that the original number of 82% of parents that wanted full time, in person instruction dropped well below 50% when they were sent something like this:
July 14, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: What # of deaths would you consider acceptable from schools being open? Let's try starting with an actual mortality rate and not the BS they're floating out there.
July 14, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: What # of deaths would you consider acceptable from schools being open? I hate to be the one to point this out but how many is too many? The discussion is a valid one. Everything we do politically is a trade off. Every single thing. This one is special yes but it also boils down to risks, balances, etc. in the end just like every other thing in life. Acting otherwise is just plain silly not to mention crazily intellectually dishonest in the best case or totally void of logic in the worst case. If we want to go with zero then let's go ahead and say that. The time for beating around the bush is over.
July 14, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: I hate to be the one to point this out but how many is too many? The discussion is a valid one. Everything we do politically is a trade off. Every single thing. This one is special yes but it also boils down to risks, balances, etc. in the end just like every other thing in life. Acting otherwise is just plain silly not to mention crazily intellectually dishonest in the best case or totally void of logic in the worst case. If we want to go with zero then let's go ahead and say that. The time for beating around the bush is over. Let’s throw out some numbers. If there were 10,000 deaths from schools reopening, would it be worth having 60 million kids back in school?
July 14, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Let’s throw out some numbers. If there were 10,000 deaths from schools reopening, would it be worth having 60 million kids back in school? vs how many from not reopening? are you saying 10k net plus? are we talking about the next 12 months or do you want to factor in long term health as well?
July 14, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: vs how many from not reopening? are you saying 10k net plus? are we talking about the next 12 months or do you want to factor in long term health as well? Not sure. i guess the whole school year. This is the question I asked Zuker and he flipped out.
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