July 18, 20205 yr For those of you suggesting that a potential Biden administration would have handled the Covid-19 pandemic better than it is currently being handled. Check out the recently resurfaced comments from Ron Klain former chief for the Obama Biden team about their response to H1N1. This was from a 2009 panel on biosecurity and pandemic conference that he spoke at via CSpan. And I quote... "A bunch of really talented, really good people working on it and we did every possible thing wrong and 60 million Americans got H1N1 in that period of time. It's just purely a fortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. And so if anyone thinks that this can't happen again, they don't have to go back to 1918. They just have to go back to 2009, 2010. Imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that" Before the anti Trump crowd jumps all over me, let me say that this is NOT a defense of our current handling of the Covid-19 pandemic. Clearly, there is much we could have done differently both at a federal and state level. That being said, clearly these pandemic's are extremely difficult to manage AND, maybe more importantly, it does not appear that we learned from our mistakes with H1N1 and properly prepared for the next pandemic. Please note that Fauci was one of the "really good people" involved in the Obama H1N1 response.
July 18, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, The Norseman said: For those of you suggesting that a potential Biden administration would have handled the Covid-19 pandemic better than it is currently being handled. Check out the recently resurfaced comments from Ron Klain former chief for the Obama Biden team about their response to H1N1. This was from a 2009 panel on biosecurity and pandemic conference that he spoke at via CSpan. And I quote... "A bunch of really talented, really good people working on it and we did every possible thing wrong and 60 million Americans got H1N1 in that period of time. It's just purely a fortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. And so if anyone thinks that this can't happen again, they don't have to go back to 1918. They just have to go back to 2009, 2010. Imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that" Before the anti Trump crowd jumps all over me, let me say that this is NOT a defense of our current handling of the Covid-19 pandemic. Clearly, there is much we could have done differently both at a federal and state level. That being said, clearly these pandemic's are extremely difficult to manage AND, maybe more importantly, it does not appear that we learned from our mistakes with H1N1 and properly prepared for the next pandemic. Please note that Fauci was one of the "really good people" involved in the Obama H1N1 response.
July 18, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Gannan said: Posted 3x in three different threads in less than a minute. Impressive. When facts are in short supply the TDS crowd will always have their memes.
July 18, 20205 yr Just now, The Norseman said: Posted 3x in three different threads in less than a minute. Impressive. When facts are in short supply the TDS crowd will always have their memes.
July 18, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: Surprised they didn’t shoot him. He looks like a threat to me
July 18, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, The Norseman said: For those of you suggesting that a potential Biden administration would have handled the Covid-19 pandemic better than it is currently being handled. Check out the recently resurfaced comments from Ron Klain former chief for the Obama Biden team about their response to H1N1. This was from a 2009 panel on biosecurity and pandemic conference that he spoke at via CSpan. And I quote... "A bunch of really talented, really good people working on it and we did every possible thing wrong and 60 million Americans got H1N1 in that period of time. It's just purely a fortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. And so if anyone thinks that this can't happen again, they don't have to go back to 1918. They just have to go back to 2009, 2010. Imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that" Before the anti Trump crowd jumps all over me, let me say that this is NOT a defense of our current handling of the Covid-19 pandemic. Clearly, there is much we could have done differently both at a federal and state level. That being said, clearly these pandemic's are extremely difficult to manage AND, maybe more importantly, it does not appear that we learned from our mistakes with H1N1 and properly prepared for the next pandemic. Please note that Fauci was one of the "really good people" involved in the Obama H1N1 response. It's not the same thing at all. H1N1 is not only less lethal, but less contagious, and it originated in the US. Handling them the same way as COVID doesn't make sense. It has a lot less to do with blind luck than he's implying and a lot more to do with the characterstics of the virus/outbreak. And yes we were well aware of the startling mortality rates and r0 estimates for COVID while it was still in China. It wasn't bullet proof data but everything we had suggested it was going to be bad. Even with China brushing things under the rug the initial r0 estimates were something crazy like mid 5s with super high mortality rates (12% in Wuhan, 4% in Hubei, and 1% elsewhere mainland China). If anything early data overestimated the danger and yet...
July 18, 20205 yr 46 minutes ago, The Norseman said: For those of you suggesting that a potential Biden administration would have handled the Covid-19 pandemic better than it is currently being handled. Check out the recently resurfaced comments from Ron Klain former chief for the Obama Biden team about their response to H1N1. This was from a 2009 panel on biosecurity and pandemic conference that he spoke at via CSpan. And I quote... "A bunch of really talented, really good people working on it and we did every possible thing wrong and 60 million Americans got H1N1 in that period of time. It's just purely a fortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. And so if anyone thinks that this can't happen again, they don't have to go back to 1918. They just have to go back to 2009, 2010. Imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that" Before the anti Trump crowd jumps all over me, let me say that this is NOT a defense of our current handling of the Covid-19 pandemic. Clearly, there is much we could have done differently both at a federal and state level. That being said, clearly these pandemic's are extremely difficult to manage AND, maybe more importantly, it does not appear that we learned from our mistakes with H1N1 and properly prepared for the next pandemic. Please note that Fauci was one of the "really good people" involved in the Obama H1N1 response. If he would do more than nothing then he would be doing more than Trump.
July 18, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: It's not the same thing at all. H1N1 is not only less lethal, but less contagious, and it originated in the US. Handling them the same way as COVID doesn't make sense. It has a lot less to do with blind luck than he's implying and a lot more to do with the characterstics of the virus/outbreak. And yes we were well aware of the startling mortality rates and r0 estimates for COVID while it was still in China. It wasn't bullet proof data everything we had suggested it was going to be bad. Even with China brushing things under the rug the initial r0 estimates were something crazy like mid 5s with super high mortality rates (12% in Wuhan, 4% in Hubei, and 1% elsewhere mainland China). If anything early data overestimated the danger and yet... I didn't say they were the same thing. I said that from the lips of an Obama Biden admin official they botched the H1N1 response, which, to your point, was mush less significant than this one. My point is only that saying one politician would have handled it better than another is purely speculation and these comments suggests that Biden's track record on pandemics is not very good. 2 minutes ago, Ugluk said: If he would do more than nothing then he would be doing more than Trump. Nothing? You clearly aren't paying attention. What exactly do you think Biden would be doing better?
July 18, 20205 yr 34 minutes ago, The Norseman said: I didn't say they were the same thing. I said that from the lips of an Obama Biden admin official they botched the H1N1 response, which, to your point, was mush less significant than this one. My point is only that saying one politician would have handled it better than another is purely speculation and these comments suggests that Biden's track record on pandemics is not very good. And my point that he claims the handling was "every possible thing wrong" is a large exaggeration and a his insinuation that we just got lucky is nonsense. H1N1 was a much less deadly and much less contagious virus. Even with virtually zero warning (unlike the Coronavirus) that was clear even early on and the relatively lax response reflects that. I'm sure there is plenty they could have done better but it was not the horribly botched situation you're trying the make it out to be.
July 18, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, The Norseman said: Nothing? You clearly aren't paying attention. What exactly do you think Biden would be doing better? For one thing, he probably wouldn't be publicly calling for less testing and using the power of the presidency to make less testing a reality. I can forgive a government for making honest mistakes, especially early on, when dealing with something as unpredictable as a novel virus. What I cannot forgive is continuing willful ignorance of lessons learned and a total preoccupation on the part of the president of centering the impact of this pandemic around HIM personally and his chances at re-election. What I really cannot forgive are fellow citizens who enable this behavior by even, at this stage, considering whether they will vote for him. Biden is not a perfect candidate, and I can understand reservations about supporting him. But any suggestion, given the last 3+ years of evidence, that Trump is a better option than Biden in 2020 reveals something painfully wrong about your character and/or cognitive ability.
July 18, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, The Norseman said: What exactly do you think Biden would be doing better? Have you even read Biden's plan? He literally has an entire plan published on his website about what he'd be doing better.
July 18, 20205 yr Just now, mayanh8 said: Have you even read his plan? He literally has an entire plan published on his website about what he'd be doing better. Sure. Next thing you'll tell me is he doesn't want to defund the police.
July 18, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: For one thing, he probably wouldn't be publicly calling for less testing and using the power of the presidency to make less testing a reality. I can forgive a government for making honest mistakes, especially early on, when dealing with something as unpredictable as a novel virus. What I cannot forgive is continuing willful ignorance of lessons learned and a total preoccupation on the part of the president of centering the impact of this pandemic around HIM personally and his chances at re-election. What I really cannot forgive are fellow citizens who enable this behavior by even, at this stage, considering whether they will vote for him. Biden is not a perfect candidate, and I can understand reservations about supporting him. But any suggestion, given the last 3+ years of evidence, that Trump is a better option than Biden in 2020 reveals something painfully wrong about your character and/or cognitive ability. Or running a smear campaign against Fauci. Or blocking the CDC from testifying. Or the anti-mask politics. The used car salesman-ish comments about "maybe it'll just go away." This is a global pandemic, so lots of countries around the globe are affected. The pandemic hitting us can be forgiven. The tsunami of stupidity that followed it cannot. Because this wasn't a "we're still learning" kind of stupidity. This was a "ignore science, we need you to buy more crap and generate more money because it impacts my re-election" stupidity. Which of course is dumb, because seeing him sacrifice economic "greatness" for the safety of his people would have likely made his re-election unstoppable.
July 18, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, The Norseman said: I didn't say they were the same thing. I said that from the lips of an Obama Biden admin official they botched the H1N1 response, which, to your point, was mush less significant than this one. My point is only that saying one politician would have handled it better than another is purely speculation and these comments suggests that Biden's track record on pandemics is not very good. Nothing? You clearly aren't paying attention. What exactly do you think Biden would be doing better? He wouldn’t have called it a hoax, pressured states to reopen, wouldn’t have tried to discredit Fauci and the CDC, wouldn’t have politicized wearing a mask, wouldn’t have called for less testing and wouldn’t have cut funding for testing. All of which would have helped. Get your nose out of his rear end.
July 18, 20205 yr 19 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: Have you even read Biden's plan? He literally has an entire plan published on his website about what he'd be doing better. Reading is not Norsemans thing. Unless Biden’s plan is summarized in a 30 second sound bite and repeated at least 50 times on Fox News, it isn’t going to get through.
July 18, 20205 yr Just now, Gannan said: Reading is not Norsemans thing. Unless Biden’s plan is summarized in a 30 second sound bite and repeated at least 50 times on Fox News, it isn’t going to get through. That's right I forgot about that. "I don't plan on reading what you posted." Wasn't that what he said?
July 18, 20205 yr Just now, mayanh8 said: That's right I forgot about that. "I don't plan on reading what you posted." Wasn't that what he said? Please provide something to back up your arguments! No I’m not reading that!
July 18, 20205 yr 15 minutes ago, Lloyd said: Or running a smear campaign against Fauci. Or blocking the CDC from testifying. Or the anti-mask politics. The used car salesman-ish comments about "maybe it'll just go away." This is a global pandemic, so lots of countries around the globe are affected. The pandemic hitting us can be forgiven. The tsunami of stupidity that followed it cannot. Because this wasn't a "we're still learning" kind of stupidity. This was a "ignore science, we need you to buy more crap and generate more money because it impacts my re-election" stupidity. Which of course is dumb, because seeing him sacrifice economic "greatness" for the safety of his people would have likely made his re-election unstoppable. Trump was already headed towrads a probable defeat against Biden. The pandemic was a gift from the election Gods to him. He could've have reset the table entirely and crushed Biden if he had handled it right.
July 18, 20205 yr Just now, mayanh8 said: That's right I forgot about that. "I don't plan on reading what you posted." Wasn't that what he said? Yes. He said something about Biden buddying up with China. And I replied with a string of Trump defending Xi and the Chinese government...months and months of quotes and tweets. And he replies with: On 7/14/2020 at 11:05 AM, The Norseman said: I don't plan to read any of this but I suspect you are trying to make some kind of a point that it is Trump that has been easy on China. I don't see that his actions support that narrative. Tariffs, viral travel ban and the attempt at a trade deal show that his actions don't match these comments. I don't understand why he says one thing and does another. Perhaps he thinks there is some strategy in it. In reality, it just makes him look dumb and gives fodder to his political foes.
July 18, 20205 yr 30 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: Oh my god Dear Lord Mr. Trump’s bizarre public statements, his refusal to wear a mask and his pressure on states to get their economies going again left governors and other state officials scrambling to deal with a leadership vacuum. At one stage, Gov. Gavin Newsom of California was told that if he wanted the federal government to help obtain the swabs needed to test for the virus, he would have to ask Mr. Trump himself — and thank him.
July 18, 20205 yr Remember when Trump said he was telling his people to "slow the testing down"? He wasn't joking.
July 18, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, The Norseman said: I didn't say they were the same thing. I said that from the lips of an Obama Biden admin official they botched the H1N1 response, which, to your point, was mush less significant than this one. My point is only that saying one politician would have handled it better than another is purely speculation and these comments suggests that Biden's track record on pandemics is not very good. Nothing? You clearly aren't paying attention. What exactly do you think Biden would be doing better? A wet sock would have handled this situation better than Trump. That’s just a fact ialone.
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