July 18, 20205 yr 7 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: For one thing, he probably wouldn't be publicly calling for less testing and using the power of the presidency to make less testing a reality. I can forgive a government for making honest mistakes, especially early on, when dealing with something as unpredictable as a novel virus. What I cannot forgive is continuing willful ignorance of lessons learned and a total preoccupation on the part of the president of centering the impact of this pandemic around HIM personally and his chances at re-election. What I really cannot forgive are fellow citizens who enable this behavior by even, at this stage, considering whether they will vote for him. Biden is not a perfect candidate, and I can understand reservations about supporting him. But any suggestion, given the last 3+ years of evidence, that Trump is a better option than Biden in 2020 reveals something painfully wrong about your character and/or cognitive ability. In fact that's exactly what Biden and Obama did. They slowed and ultimately stopped testing for H1N1. And, I think it was exactly the right thing to do. I don't think stopping testing is the right thing to do for Covid, or at lest not yet. But at some point if you have a virus with a very low death rate you probably do more harm than good by keeping it in the public eye. Obama knew this and turned the focus away from state reported testing with H1N1. And I don't agree that Biden is better. He's a career politician who has accomplished almost nothing in his career. I want someone to his going to get things done.
July 18, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, DrPhilly said: A wet sock would have handled this situation better than Trump. That’s just a fact ialone. Sounds like a TDS fact
July 19, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Paul852 said: Man, you've got it bad. Crying TDS for a Trumpster is the same as wearing a ThunderShirt is to a dog.
July 19, 20205 yr 12 hours ago, The Norseman said: For those of you suggesting that a potential Biden administration would have handled the Covid-19 pandemic better than it is currently being handled. Check out the recently resurfaced comments from Ron Klain former chief for the Obama Biden team about their response to H1N1. This was from a 2009 panel on biosecurity and pandemic conference that he spoke at via CSpan. And I quote... "A bunch of really talented, really good people working on it and we did every possible thing wrong and 60 million Americans got H1N1 in that period of time. It's just purely a fortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. And so if anyone thinks that this can't happen again, they don't have to go back to 1918. They just have to go back to 2009, 2010. Imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that" Before the anti Trump crowd jumps all over me, let me say that this is NOT a defense of our current handling of the Covid-19 pandemic. Clearly, there is much we could have done differently both at a federal and state level. That being said, clearly these pandemic's are extremely difficult to manage AND, maybe more importantly, it does not appear that we learned from our mistakes with H1N1 and properly prepared for the next pandemic. Please note that Fauci was one of the "really good people" involved in the Obama H1N1 response. So a Biden administration would be able to admit faults, see weaknesses and know a better job could be done by relying on experts and adjusting to new information as it changes? Thanks for solidifying the need to vote for Biden.
July 19, 20205 yr Have we talked about how Walmart is requiring a mask starting tomorrow. I hope for the employees sake that Walmart has hired security because we are about to see some crazy videos emerge.
July 19, 20205 yr 22 hours ago, Gannan said: Reading is not Norsemans thing. Unless Biden’s plan is summarized in a 30 second sound bite and repeated at least 50 times on Fox News, it isn’t going to get through. I'm not interested in reading some arm chair quarterback's review of how he would have handled the pandemic differently. I've also provided clear evidence from CSPAN that when Biden had his chance to handle a pandemic properly he didn't. Biden has proven through his rhetoric and history that he would have made a mess of this situation. To be honest, I get why many dislike Trump and I share many of those sentiments about his personality and how he handles situations. I wish he didn't behave that way he does but there doesn't seem to be any stopping it. That being said, translating that disdain into a ringing endorsement for Biden is beyond foolish. Biden is literally one of the dumbest politicians we've ever had. Obama cringed when he "won" the nomination and refused to endorse him until just recently. Biden was an anchor around Obama's neck for 8 years and you know it. He is a gaff machine, incapable of speaking without a teleprompter, has a history of lying about his accolades and accreditation and in general is a national embarrassment. Before you all go crazy and say "what about Trump"....I'll agree with you. He far from a role model. But to pretend that Biden is some star player is just a joke. The truth is that we are choosing from two sorry excuses for candidates and no matter what we do we're making a terrible choice.
July 19, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, The Norseman said: I'm not interested in reading some arm chair quarterback's review of how he would have handled the pandemic differently. I've also provided clear evidence from CSPAN that when Biden had his chance to handle a pandemic properly he didn't. Biden has proven through his rhetoric and history that he would have made a mess of this situation. To be honest, I get why many dislike Trump and I share many of those sentiments about his personality and how he handles situations. I wish he didn't behave that way he does but there doesn't seem to be any stopping it. That being said, translating that disdain into a ringing endorsement for Biden is beyond foolish. Biden is literally one of the dumbest politicians we've ever had. Obama cringed when he "won" the nomination and refused to endorse him until just recently. Biden was an anchor around Obama's neck and you know it. He is a gaff machine, incapable of speaking without a teleprompter, has a history of lying about his accolades and accreditation and in general is a national embarrassment. Before you all go crazy and say "what about Trump"....I'll agree with you. He far from a role model. But to pretend that Biden is some star player is just a joke. The truth is that we are choosing from two sorry excuses for candidates and no matter what we do we're making a terrible choice. No you didn't. You posted a quote that had zero factual evidence to back it up.
July 19, 20205 yr 9 minutes ago, The Norseman said: I'm not interested in reading some arm chair quarterback's review of how he would have handled the pandemic differently. I've also provided clear evidence from CSPAN that when Biden had his chance to handle a pandemic properly he didn't. Biden has proven through his rhetoric and history that he would have made a mess of this situation. To be honest, I get why many dislike Trump and I share many of those sentiments about his personality and how he handles situations. I wish he didn't behave that way he does but there doesn't seem to be any stopping it. That being said, translating that disdain into a ringing endorsement for Biden is beyond foolish. Biden is literally one of the dumbest politicians we've ever had. Obama cringed when he "won" the nomination and refused to endorse him until just recently. Biden was an anchor around Obama's neck for 8 years and you know it. He is a gaff machine, incapable of speaking without a teleprompter, has a history of lying about his accolades and accreditation and in general is a national embarrassment. Before you all go crazy and say "what about Trump"....I'll agree with you. He far from a role model. But to pretend that Biden is some star player is just a joke. The truth is that we are choosing from two sorry excuses for candidates and no matter what we do we're making a terrible choice. Biden is smarter than Trump. That's all I need.
July 19, 20205 yr 20 hours ago, vikas83 said: Dear Lord Mr. Trump’s bizarre public statements, his refusal to wear a mask and his pressure on states to get their economies going again left governors and other state officials scrambling to deal with a leadership vacuum. At one stage, Gov. Gavin Newsom of California was told that if he wanted the federal government to help obtain the swabs needed to test for the virus, he would have to ask Mr. Trump himself — and thank him. I would too. Otherwise he'll just do what Democrats do, which is to accept the help and then turn around and make divisive political statements
July 19, 20205 yr 40 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: No you didn't. You posted a quote that had zero factual evidence to back it up. All you have to do is google the mans name and comments the CSPAN video comes up. 34 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Biden is smarter than Trump. That's all I need. Based on what?
July 19, 20205 yr 12 hours ago, MidMoFo said: So a Biden administration would be able to admit faults, see weaknesses and know a better job could be done by relying on experts and adjusting to new information as it changes? Thanks for solidifying the need to vote for Biden. Biden would let the left wing media push him around. He should have never apologized for that "you aint black" comment. He should have completely owned it 4 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said: Have we talked about how Walmart is requiring a mask starting tomorrow. I hope for the employees sake that Walmart has hired security because we are about to see some crazy videos emerge. I can't wait for Black Friday and this
July 19, 20205 yr 15 hours ago, The Norseman said: In fact that's exactly what Biden and Obama did. They slowed and ultimately stopped testing for H1N1. And, I think it was exactly the right thing to do. I don't think stopping testing is the right thing to do for Covid, or at lest not yet. But at some point if you have a virus with a very low death rate you probably do more harm than good by keeping it in the public eye. Obama knew this and turned the focus away from state reported testing with H1N1. And I don't agree that Biden is better. He's a career politician who has accomplished almost nothing in his career. I want someone to his going to get things done. Why can't we just let people buy a test if they want to be tested? Why can't we just let people wear a mask if they want, and let businesses ban customers or not ban customers for wearing or not wearing masks if they want? Why can't we let states decide whether to reopen, and force those state who choose to close to bail themselves out? If it really is worth it to shut down the state, then they should be willing to pay that price.
July 19, 20205 yr 56 minutes ago, The Norseman said: All you have to do is google the mans name and comments the CSPAN video comes up. And again his claim does not have have firm data to support it. If you google Ron Klain's name you'll also see that he is a political consultant and lawyer, not a doctor or public health specialist. Chalking it up completely to "we just got lucky" assumes that the response would not have to been different if H1N1 was deadlier or more contagious, which is just a ridiculous claim to make. Not to mention that during H1N1 we had federal funding distributed relatively quickly (without any of this "kiss the ring" BS), as well as a coordinated and coherent message/plan on a federal level that supported CDC recommendations not undermining them. All of this for a virus that originated in the US meaning we had way less of an early warning sign. So no, even though there are certainly things that could have been done better, the federal response to H1N1 is not remotely on the same level of ineptitude we've seen over the past 6 months.
July 19, 20205 yr 45 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Based on what? The fact you even need to ask means you're hopeless.
July 19, 20205 yr 22 hours ago, mayanh8 said: Oh my god https://nypost.com/2020/07/18/the-family-that-owns-the-new-york-times-were-slaveholders-goodwin/ Quote The family that owns The New York Times were slaveholders: Goodwin
July 19, 20205 yr 30 minutes ago, Paul852 said: The fact you even need to ask means you're hopeless. The fact that you only reply with insults as opposed to facts means you're useless
July 19, 20205 yr 26 minutes ago, The Norseman said: The fact that you only reply with insults as opposed to facts means you're useless How's the cocaine industry faring during the pandemic?
July 19, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, DEagle7 said: And again his claim does not have have firm data to support it. If you google Ron Klain's name you'll also see that he is a political consultant and lawyer, not a doctor or public health specialist. Chalking it up completely to "we just got lucky" assumes that the response would not have to been different if H1N1 was deadlier or more contagious, which is just a ridiculous claim to make. Not to mention that during H1N1 we had federal funding distributed relatively quickly (without any of this "kiss the ring" BS), as well as a coordinated and coherent message/plan on a federal level that supported CDC recommendations not undermining them. All of this for a virus that originated in the US meaning we had way less of an early warning sign. So no, even though there are certainly things that could have been done better, the federal response to H1N1 is not remotely on the same level of ineptitude we've seen over the past 6 months. https://www.c-span.org/video/?460710-4/pandemic-biosecurity-policy-summit-part-2 His comments start at 1:17:05
July 19, 20205 yr 21 minutes ago, The Norseman said: https://www.c-span.org/video/?460710-4/pandemic-biosecurity-policy-summit-part-2 His comments start at 1:17:05 Again I've seen it. He goes into details on the global issues of international vaccine liabilities/PREP act and responses, but provides nothing as far as facts or examples of gross incompetence as far as the national federal response at the time. Discussing the retrospective need of more coordinated liability/distribution laws regarding vaccines for global pandemics is not even remotely in the same ballpark as what we're discussing when it comes to the poor federal COVID response. There is no equivalency here.
July 19, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Biden would let the left wing media push him around. He should have never apologized for that "you aint black" comment. He should have completely owned it I can't wait for Black Friday and this Haven't even thought about Black Friday. That'd be on the stores though. They could easily help the situation by offering online deals and no in-store deals
July 19, 20205 yr 47 minutes ago, The Norseman said: The fact that you only reply with insults as opposed to facts means you're useless Are we really going to have to list the embarrassingly idiotic things Trump has said? There are dozens of websites out there dedicated to this. Line up Biden's dumb comments next to Trump's and you'll have your answer.
July 19, 20205 yr I got tested on Thursday as I wasn't feeling great and I rarely get sick. Headache, congestion, runny nose, diarrhea, fatigue, muscle soreness and weakness. Got a call this morning. Positive. Wife probably brought it home from the hospital. Feels like something between a cold and flu. I had flu right after coming home from Minnesota for the super bowl and so far that was worse. My symptoms started on Tuesday so I'm on day 5 of having symptoms. Breathing is fine. I have no underlying medical issues.
July 19, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, What The F said: I got tested on Thursday as I wasn't feeling great and I rarely get sick. Headache, congestion, runny nose, diarrhea, fatigue, muscle soreness and weakness. Got a call this morning. Positive. Wife probably brought it home from the hospital. Feels like something between a cold and flu. I had flu right after coming home from Minnesota for the super bowl and so far that was worse. My symptoms started on Tuesday so I'm on day 5 of having symptoms. Breathing is fine. I have no underlying medical issues. I haven't been keeping track. Is she sick as well?
July 19, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Mike030270 said: I haven't been keeping track. Is she sick as well? No. She is perfectly fine.
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