2 hours ago, Dawkins 20 said:

I feel like masks/distancing measures are here until there's a vaccine, and probably longer. 

Seems like there are enough conspiratards out there that won't get the vaccine to the point where we won't end up achieving herd immunity. I mean, why not?

It will never fully go away, but like influenza... there will be an annual Covid-19 shot.

So if someone doesn't want the vaccine, fine get sick and die, I  am not wearing a mask to protect those fools

6 hours ago, TEW said:

So, honest questions here... when, if ever, do you think we go back to normal?

When, if ever, should we go back to normal?

Ive been pretty hawkish on COVID, and I think some basic things like wearing masks, and avoiding travel or large gatherings are just common sense/decency as an interim move. But this can’t be a permanent thing, can it?

Are are we really going to say no more concerts/clubs/parties/etc for years to come? Absent a cure, at what point does COVID just become another risk you accept to , there your life?

Already  Walmart and other places are no longer enforcing masks rules because of confrontations, think what it would be like if after a vaccine there was still a mask rule. There would be  riots

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/business/masks-walmart-home-depot-lowes-cvs/index.html

8 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Tbf, they’re taking into account a changing situation.  Trumpbots say it’s safe, but common sense says it’s not. 

 

7 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm seeing liberals on facebook saying it's safe well...

 

I watched the recorded vid of my old high school's board meeting regarding their plans for this fall and I kept hearing this word.  The go to phrase was "as long as its safe".  The board approved a hybrid plan that includes in-person classes as well as virtual classes.  Students and others kept saying they support the plan "as long as its safe".  I kept wondering what they meant by "safe".  Doesn't seem like a binary sort of thing to me and hence things get complicated.

We are all at least in part shooting in the dark.  That is the reality.

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

We are all at least in part shooting in the dark.  That is the reality.

Not really though.

Just now, Dave Moss said:

Not really though.

How so?

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

How so?

Fauci is changing his recommendations as more is learned about the virus.  People suggesting he’s doing it for nefarious reasons are full-on Trumpbots.

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Fauci is changing his recommendations as more is learned about the virus.  People suggesting he’s doing it for nefarious reasons are full-on Trumpbots.

stop that right now. everyone knows science never changes, or in the mind of someone like eagleva, doesnt exist at all. 

3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Fauci is changing his recommendations as more is learned about the virus.  People suggesting he’s doing it for nefarious reasons are full-on Trumpbots.

So how is my statement that we are all "in part shooting in the dark" incorrect?

10 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

So how is my statement that we are all "in part shooting in the dark" incorrect?

Because  many countries have been able to get it under control.

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Because  many countries have been able to get it under control.

Are you serious?  They have all faced new outbreaks.  Also, no one knows for sure exactly how this virus behaves, who it affects, whether immunity is established in recovering people or how long it lasts, etc. etc. etc.

Yes, we know a lot more than we did but there are still a large number of unknowns.  Note: That's not to be construed in any way shape or form as a statement of support for Trump or those that want to open everything in the US.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Are you serious?  They have all faced new outbreaks.  Also, no one knows for sure exactly how this virus behaves, who it affects, whether immunity is established in recovering people or how long it lasts, etc. etc. etc.

Yes, we know a lot more than we did but there are still a large number of unknowns.  Note: That's not to be construed in any way shape or form as a statement of support for Trump or those that want to open everything in the US.

Disagree.  America’s problem is that we listen to the dumbest people instead of the smartest.

Just now, Dave Moss said:

Disagree.  America’s problem is that we listen to the dumbest people instead of the smartest.

What do you disagree with?

14 hours ago, TEW said:

So, honest questions here... when, if ever, do you think we go back to normal?

When, if ever, should we go back to normal?

Ive been pretty hawkish on COVID, and I think some basic things like wearing masks, and avoiding travel or large gatherings are just common sense/decency as an interim move. But this can’t be a permanent thing, can it?

Are are we really going to say no more concerts/clubs/parties/etc for years to come? Absent a cure, at what point does COVID just become another risk you accept to live your life?

I'm not sure. Guess it depends on how it's treated and if it'll be a seasonal or yearly thing. If they come out with a vaccine that we'll have to get yearly then I'm fine and things will likely get back to normal then. There will be people who don't get it but that's fine as well IMO. They'll have to deal with the chance of getting the virus

What would be great if the vaccine is a permanent thing and the idiots that don't get it will just have to deal with the chances of getting the virus while we'll be free

Should have had a travel ban from China at the start of it despite the fact the dems thought it was racist

7 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

 

 

I watched the recorded vid of my old high school's board meeting regarding their plans for this fall and I kept hearing this word.  The go to phrase was "as long as its safe".  The board approved a hybrid plan that includes in-person classes as well as virtual classes.  Students and others kept saying they support the plan "as long as its safe".  I kept wondering what they meant by "safe".  Doesn't seem like a binary sort of thing to me and hence things get complicated.

6ft apart with everyone wearing masks. No touching each other and no touching things that others have as well unless you have sanitizer 

5 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Disagree.  America’s problem is that we listen to the dumbest people instead of the smartest.

IMO it's that Americans don't like being told what to do on things. Which is funny because we're ordered about daily in our lives

Majority of us obey traffic laws, always have ID on us, don't steal and commit crimes

🤷‍♂️

 

11 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Should have had a travel ban from China at the start of it despite the fact the dems thought it was racist

It wouldn't have made a difference.  NY's outbreak came from Europe.

10 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

What do you disagree with?

We know enough to beat the virus.  20-30% of the population listens to Trump and they’re the super-spreaders.  

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

IMO it's that Americans don't like being told what to do on things. Which is funny because we're ordered about daily in our lives

Majority of us obey traffic laws, always have ID on us, don't steal and commit crimes

🤷‍♂️

 

Yeah but those things are in the constitutions. Masks aren't! 

14 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

6ft apart with everyone wearing masks. No touching each other and no touching things that others have as well unless you have sanitizer 

Yeah that's not what I meant.  This particular high school has their plan and it has details like these above.  The opinion that gets shot back then is "well yes I can support that plan IF IT IS SAFE".  But of course what does the word "safe" mean in this context?  To say it another way, what level of risk is acceptable?

8 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

We know enough to beat the virus.  20-30% of the population listens to Trump and they’re the super-spreaders.  

By "beat" do you mean "flatten the curve" or just what do you mean?

8 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Yeah but those things are in the constitutions. Masks aren't! 

Where does the constitution talk about obeying traffic laws and carrying a photo ID?

15 hours ago, TEW said:

So, honest questions here... when, if ever, do you think we go back to normal?

When, if ever, should we go back to normal?

Ive been pretty hawkish on COVID, and I think some basic things like wearing masks, and avoiding travel or large gatherings are just common sense/decency as an interim move. But this can’t be a permanent thing, can it?

Are are we really going to say no more concerts/clubs/parties/etc for years to come? Absent a cure, at what point does COVID just become another risk you accept to live your life?

When there's a vaccine. 

33 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

IMO it's that Americans don't like being told what to do on things.

 

Yup.  Look how long it took to get everyone to wear seatbelts in this country.  

50 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

It wouldn't have made a difference.  NY's outbreak came from Europe.

Agree to disagree

41 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Yeah that's not what I meant.  This particular high school has their plan and it has details like these above.  The opinion that gets shot back then is "well yes I can support that plan IF IT IS SAFE".  But of course what does the word "safe" mean in this context?  To say it another way, what level of risk is acceptable?

I don't think schools can be re-open but I understand that there are families that can't deal or handle an online school year

I also don't think you can make sure every student wears their mask