August 16, 20205 yr Remember at the beginning of the pandemic when Democrat leaders encouraged people to go to Asian restaurants so they wouldn't seem racist? Good times.
August 16, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, NOTW said: Remember at the beginning of the pandemic when Democrat leaders encouraged people to go to Asian restaurants so they wouldn't seem racist? Good times. People should have been discouraged from going out entirely. However, if they were going out there was absolutely no reason to selectively avoid asian restaurants and grocery stores at that time. Especially now that we know most of the spread from the East coast was back and forth with Europe. Not supporting a ban on travel back and forth from China on the other hand was absolutely a huge mistake by several prominent democrats.
August 16, 20205 yr 9 hours ago, Mike030270 said: That doesn't stop local and state government from doing anything. They didn't mandate masks until it was months later I'm so sick of this "mask mandate" discussion. That idiot Biden called for a federal mask mandate this week too. A. The federal government doesn't have the authority to mandate mask wearing B. Even if they did mandate it, how would they enforce it? Are we now going to have to police every idiot out there who doesn't wear a mask? Stop with the mask hysteria, please. Its up to the states, not Trump and not Biden. This argument is so stupid it hurts.
August 17, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, The Norseman said: I'm so sick of this "mask mandate" discussion. That idiot Biden called for a federal mask mandate this week too. A. The federal government doesn't have the authority to mandate mask wearing B. Even if they did mandate it, how would they enforce it? Are we now going to have to police every idiot out there who doesn't wear a mask? Stop with the mask hysteria, please. Its up to the states, not Trump and not Biden. This argument is so stupid it hurts. Do you wear a mask? I don't know about other states but NC governor has said police can give citations if they feel it's necessary
August 17, 20205 yr 43 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: please tell me you don't believe this? The secret tape is out!!
August 17, 20205 yr 12 hours ago, Mike030270 said: Do you wear a mask? I don't know about other states but NC governor has said police can give citations if they feel it's necessary Of course I wear a mask and so does everyone else. If states want to mandate it and enforce it that's fine, but the Fed has no authority or ability to mandate this.
August 17, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, DEagle7 said: please tell me you don't believe this? Believe what? That that is bill gates holding a briefing To discuss a virus? im just posting a video i came across actually. Dont know what to believe anymore honestly
August 17, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: The secret tape is out!! I tell you what, if that tape is real, you better believe it was supposed to be secret.
August 17, 20205 yr 9 minutes ago, SNOORDA said: I tell you what, if that tape is real, you better believe it was supposed to be secret. Why?
August 17, 20205 yr They are discussing giving a virus to a population in purpose. One he claims will make people passive.
August 17, 20205 yr Just now, SNOORDA said: They are discussing giving a virus to a population in purpose. One he claims will make people passive. Don't worry, it's not real (and it's not Bill Gates): https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-gates-fundamentalists-penta/false-claim-video-shows-bill-gates-presenting-vaccine-for-religious-fundamentalists-to-pentagon-idUSKBN22P35M
August 17, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Don't worry, it's not real (and it's not Bill Gates): https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-gates-fundamentalists-penta/false-claim-video-shows-bill-gates-presenting-vaccine-for-religious-fundamentalists-to-pentagon-idUSKBN22P35M Thanks. Thats the main reason posted it. To ger some insights
August 17, 20205 yr 52 minutes ago, SNOORDA said: Thanks. Thats the main reason posted it. To ger some insights Without that context, it appeared you were peddling a conspiracy though.
August 17, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, The Norseman said: Of course I wear a mask and so does everyone else. If states want to mandate it and enforce it that's fine, but the Fed has no authority or ability to mandate this. I have no clue why I am engaging with you, but... The way the Federal Government gets around this is by forcing states to do it by withholding money. It's why we have a "national" drinking age of 21. The Federal Government can't mandate such a thing, but they put provisions into the Highway funding bills that would withhold funding from any state that didn't make 21 its drinking age. They could do something similar and withhold funding for other programs unless a state mask mandate is in place -- like money from the next stimulus targeted for state and local governments. I don't like agree with it, but that's how it gets done.
August 17, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I have no clue why I am engaging with you, but... The way the Federal Government gets around this is by forcing states to do it by withholding money. It's why we have a "national" drinking age of 21. The Federal Government can't mandate such a thing, but they put provisions into the Highway funding bills that would withhold funding from any state that didn't make 21 its drinking age. They could do something similar and withhold funding for other programs unless a state mask mandate is in place -- like money from the next stimulus targeted for state and local governments. I don't like agree with it, but that's how it gets done. Bangs head against the wall... again
August 17, 20205 yr 14 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I have no clue why I am engaging with you, but... The way the Federal Government gets around this is by forcing states to do it by withholding money. It's why we have a "national" drinking age of 21. The Federal Government can't mandate such a thing, but they put provisions into the Highway funding bills that would withhold funding from any state that didn't make 21 its drinking age. They could do something similar and withhold funding for other programs unless a state mask mandate is in place -- like money from the next stimulus targeted for state and local governments. I don't like agree with it, but that's how it gets done. same goes for education, and everything else pretty much. the federal government draws tax revenue from states and redistributes it, and through that it wields more power than it was designed to within the framework of the constitution. I think it's worth discussing the merits of how our government is constructed in this day and age vs 1787, but those are difficult discussions that threaten existing power structures. for example, I think there's an objective rationale for trying to standardize in some way the curriculum received by students across the nation. as someone who was reasonably educated on the Civil War, history of reconstruction, the impacts of Jim Crow legislation as well as the legacy of them even after the Civil Rights act, I have found it absolutely unconscionable that there are regions in our nation that teach the Civil War as "the war of northern aggression" and that slavery was some sort of tangential "side issue"*, teach Jim Crow either not at all or barely touch on it, sometimes even skip over the entire fight for Civil Rights (and of course why it was necessary)** *https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/150-years-later-schools-are-still-a-battlefield-for-interpreting-civil-war/2015/07/05/e8fbd57e-2001-11e5-bf41-c23f5d3face1_story.html **https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/12/what-american-history-classes-arent-teaching/548585/ I'm generally at least skeptical of trying to standardize things across the nation, but if we have people that aren't even operating from the same basic set of facts about our own history how can we be a people united?
August 17, 20205 yr 33 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I have no clue why I am engaging with you, but... The way the Federal Government gets around this is by forcing states to do it by withholding money. It's why we have a "national" drinking age of 21. The Federal Government can't mandate such a thing, but they put provisions into the Highway funding bills that would withhold funding from any state that didn't make 21 its drinking age. They could do something similar and withhold funding for other programs unless a state mask mandate is in place -- like money from the next stimulus targeted for state and local governments. I don't like agree with it, but that's how it gets done. Sure. And if Trump did that Democrats would scream that critical state services would go without funding because the federal government was withholding funding to force something that was unconstitutional. We live in a Republic. States have more power than the Fed in most cases. For this reason wearing masks is not a national issue.
August 17, 20205 yr Quote President Donald Trump is reportedly encouraging the Food and Drug Administration to approve oleander plant extract to treat COVID-19, despite the fact that the dietary supplement has not been proven to treat the disease, according to an Axios report. Oleandrin, the experimental extract, was presented to the president in July during an Oval Office meeting and has been touted by Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson, as well as MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell. Lindell is a key Trump supporter who recently invested in the company producing the unproven extract. "The involvement of the Secretary of HUD and MyPillow.com in pushing a dubious product at the highest levels should give Americans no comfort at night about their health and safety during a raging pandemic,” a senior administration official said. Trump previously pushed another unproven drug, hydroxychloroquine, to be approved by the FDA following a similar private meeting. 🤡🌎
August 17, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Sure. And if Trump did that Democrats would scream that critical state services would go without funding because the federal government was withholding funding to force something that was unconstitutional. We live in a Republic. States have more power than the Fed in most cases. For this reason wearing masks is not a national issue. Not a Trumpbot... My fault for trying to educate. Moving on.
August 17, 20205 yr 32 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: 🤡🌎 I'm a big fan of Forensic Files and on one episode a woman used oleander to kill her husband, it's toxic!!
August 17, 20205 yr Democrats telling ex-pats living abroad to mail in 2 ballots. No chance for fraud here.
August 17, 20205 yr 54 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Not a Trumpbot... My fault for trying to educate. Moving on. My point is that, no president can make an impact here. Take Trump out of it, the Republicans would do the same thing if Biden was in office. Either you... A. Do not mandate masks at the Federal level and allow the State leadership to manage it themselves. In this case, your opponents response would be that you are failing to provide national leadership (as many have said in this forum). or... B. Create a federal "mandate" and engage the federal government in the quagmire of trying to hold states accountable through withholding funding or some other means. Here, your opponents say that you are overreaching and pushing an unconstitutional mandate. Its a total dam*ed if you do, dam*ed if you don't situation...which is why I said earlier that I was fed up with the topic.
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