October 14, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, Toastrel said: For the record: Oxygen and CO2 molecules are very small. So small, in fact, that a mask looks like a picket fence with gaps big enough to drive a truck through. Droplets are generally bigger than CO2 molecule trucks and do not fit through the fibers of the mask. These are readily available facts, although not approved by the Flat Earth Society of Sciency Types. I seriously weep for America. If only EagleVA were a lone rogue, but there are so many anti-science buffoons, it boggles the mind (that has any sort of science inclination or common sense.) And they even elected one of their own as President.
October 14, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: And they even elected one of their own as President. I know. He took a vaccine and he's cured. Except, there is no vaccine and we don't know if there is a cure. But he's on massive steroids and feels great.
October 15, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, Gannan said: From the shock and awe file... Trump gave his kid Covid Of course it's Baron . Hope he shakes it off without any issue. Can't pick your parents.
October 15, 20205 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: Infect your 10 year old son to own the libs! Don't let it control you!!
October 15, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Infect your 10 year old son to own the libs! He's a teenager I think. Doesn't make it much better but still. Couldn't care less if the lot of them got it, but no kid deserves this BS.
October 15, 20205 yr 24 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: He's a teenager I think. Doesn't make it much better but still. Couldn't care less if the lot of them got it, but no kid deserves this BS. Is he? I feel like I've seen him once since the inauguration. But ya, infecting your own family is apparently a small price to pay to downplay the hoax.
October 15, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, Gannan said: From the shock and awe file... Trump gave his kid Covid I thought I read that Barron had it a month ago, which would mean that the President did not necessarily give it to him, based on his infection from a couple weeks ago.
October 15, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, xzmattzx said: I thought I read that Barron had it a month ago, which would mean that the President did not necessarily give it to him, based on his infection from a couple weeks ago. The president's son was infected a month ago? Yeah, that would have been news, so doubtful. A quick check shows Melania saying they were all infected at the same time, or tested positive at the same time.
October 15, 20205 yr White House officials promote herd immunity declaration signed by fake names: report The declaration has been signed by 445,902 concerned citizens, 9,510 medical and public health scientists and 25,049 medical practitioners, according to its website. But Sky News found last week that dozens of fake names had signed the document, including Dr. I.P. Freely, Dr. Person Fakename and Dr. Johnny Bananas. Another signatory called himself Dr. Harold Shipman, a general practitioner in the United Kingdom. In 1998, a man named Harold Shipman was arrested after killing more than 200 of his patients https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/520961-white-house-officials-promote-herd-immunity-declaration-signed-by-fake
October 15, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said: White House officials promote herd immunity declaration signed by fake names: report The declaration has been signed by 445,902 concerned citizens, 9,510 medical and public health scientists and 25,049 medical practitioners, according to its website. But Sky News found last week that dozens of fake names had signed the document, including Dr. I.P. Freely, Dr. Person Fakename and Dr. Johnny Bananas. Another signatory called himself Dr. Harold Shipman, a general practitioner in the United Kingdom. In 1998, a man named Harold Shipman was arrested after killing more than 200 of his patients https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/520961-white-house-officials-promote-herd-immunity-declaration-signed-by-fake Literally one of the most irresponsible things to promote on the seasonal eve of an approved vaccine, is the concept that reaching herd immunity is a rational strategy to implement. I honestly cannot fathom how someone can be so recklessly stupid as to endanger the lives of so many, when there's so much optimism about phase III trials of one of the candidates showing even just moderate efficacy.
October 15, 20205 yr Herd immunity is totally rad and cool for those not in the millions of dead required to reach that level.
October 15, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: Herd immunity is totally rad and cool for those not in the millions of dead required to reach that level. Not to mention the long-term effects for those who survive severe disease that are still not well understood.
October 15, 20205 yr https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1316742622229258242?s=20 Who thinks Trump spread his Covid to Kamala's team through Pence at the VP debate?
October 15, 20205 yr 19 minutes ago, toolg said: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1316742622229258242?s=20 Who thinks Trump spread his Covid to Kamala's team through Pence at the VP debate? Pence hasn't tested negative. But this is why they look stupid as F for complaining about the distance and the dividers at the debate. You just don't know who might be infectious at any given time so only an idiot would take issue with implementing some simple precautions.
October 15, 20205 yr Not at all surprising, but still...Trump basically overruling the CDC to paint a rosier picture. Remember when we could have faith in independent organizations like the FDA, CDC, etc.? Emphasis added by me in article. Quote President Trump and his advisers have taken a more hands-on role than previously known in shaping Covid-19 recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, helping create a crisis of confidence in the nation’s top public-health agency. The changes the White House has sought—in many cases successfully—go beyond the agency’s public messaging. White House advisers have made line-by-line edits to official health guidance, altering language written by CDC scientists on church choirs, social distancing in bars and restaurants as well as internal summaries of public-health reports, according to interviews with current and former agency and administration officials and their emails. In one previously unreported Oval Office meeting, the president and top White House officials in May pressed CDC Director Robert Redfield to declare houses of worship essential and allow them to reopen. Later, they pushed to strip certain language from the guidance, current and former administration officials said. Both efforts were successful. More recently, aides to Vice President Mike Pence asked Dr. Redfield to have agency officials publicly substantiate an assessment by Mr. Pence’s doctor that it was safe for him to participate in last week’s election debate with Sen. Kamala Harris. Some CDC staff members worried that the request, which Dr. Redfield honored, drew the agency into partisan politics. The clashes stem in part from a turf war between a White House intent on controlling broad elements of the coronavirus response and federal agencies like the CDC who long prized their independence. Along with a series of missteps by the CDC itself, the sometimes-open tension has helped erode trust in the world’s pre-eminent public-health organization, compounding the difficulty of navigating a virus that has killed more than 216,000 Americans. When Ebola cases surfaced in the U.S. six years ago, the CDC steered the public health response, holding 13 news briefings in one month and deploying thousands of staff globally to stop the virus. The CDC also won accolades for its leading role in the Zika epidemic and H1N1 flu pandemic. This year, the CDC didn’t hold a single news conference on the coronavirus pandemic in four separate months. White House officials routinely denied the agency’s requests to brief reporters, a former HHS official said. "It is an unprecedented sidelining of the CDC,” said Dr. Tom Frieden, the agency’s chief during the Obama administration. "They’re being micromanaged.” The CDC has created some of its own problems, botching the rollout of its initial Covid-19 test in February and accidentally posting a draft in September updating guidance on how the coronavirus spreads. Trust in the agency has slid 16 points since April, to 67%, according to a poll from the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation released Sept. 10. In a statement, Dr. Redfield said the CDC has "based decisions on known science and data available and has been clear that, as more became known about the virus, guidance and recommendations would evolve and change.” He said he was "proud of the men and women at CDC who are grounded in science, data, and public service, as am I.” White House spokesman Judd Deere said the president had directed the White House coronavirus task force to ensure that "any and all communication and guidelines” on the virus were "fully reviewed, studied, and vetted by administration officials, including the top medical doctors, for accuracy, effectiveness, and safety to protect the public health.” White House advisers view Dr. Redfield—whom some refer to as "Papa Smurf” for his white beard—as a weak leader who has failed to rein in agency officials with their own agendas, current and former administration officials said. The president doesn’t view Dr. Redfield as an effective communicator, administration officials say, and he has at times publicly criticized him. Administration officials say Mr. Trump is considering adding more political appointees to the CDC if he wins re-election. Still, one administration official said Dr. Redfield’s willingness to work closely with the White House has won him continued goodwill and job security. The White House began to take a more hands-on role after a Feb. 25 briefing in which CDC official Nancy Messonnier warned that community spread of the virus in the U.S. was inevitable. The president was enraged as the stock market slid, and control of the federal response to the virus moved abruptly from the CDC to the White House and its coronavirus task force, administration officials said. Dr. Messonnier declined to comment. Soon after, administration officials told the agency that the coronavirus task force headed by Mr. Pence had to sign off on any guidance it planned to release. Previously, the CDC would at most alert HHS or the White House before publishing new materials but wouldn’t solicit edits. CDC guidance on how to reopen houses of worship this spring drew particular scrutiny from the White House. On May 19, the CDC and state health officials published a Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report article about a large Covid-19 outbreak at a rural Arkansas church involving 61 people, including four who died. They had either attended church events or were contacts of people who attended. Days later, Dr. Redfield received a call from Mr. Trump on reopening houses of worship, current and former administration officials said. The president was incensed by reports that some states were declaring liquor stores and abortion clinics essential but not houses of worship, and told his CDC director: "We need to get this done.” After the Oval Office meeting, Dr. Redfield went over a draft of the CDC’s church guidance line-by-line with White House officials including then-senior adviser Kellyanne Conway, White House budget director Russell Vought and Roger Severino, who heads the HHS Office for Civil Rights. Administration officials objected to language that recommended suspending choirs, shared cups and collection plates, which some argued came too close to the federal government mandating how Americans practice religion, according to current and former administration officials. Mr. Severino said in a statement: "Governments have a duty to instruct the public on how to stay safe during this crisis and can absolutely do so without singling out people of faith and dictating to them how to worship God.” He said in an interview that the CDC hadn’t issued similar guidance against yelling at "antipolice demonstrations.” Dr. Redfield agreed to the White House’s changes. When the guidelines went up, they included a warning that "the act of singing may contribute to transmission of Covid-19, possibly through emission of aerosols.” It also urged against the sharing of collection plates. It wasn’t what Dr. Redfield had agreed to—and White House officials were angry. After Olivia Troye, then an aide to Mr. Pence, alerted Dr. Redfield to the situation, he called a handful of aides and suggested they had posted the wrong version deliberately. "I am the director,” he said, according to Ms. Troye, who was on the call. "This is insubordination.” By the next day, the CDC had updated its guidance, omitting the language about suspending singing. CDC officials later investigated how the mistake had been made and discovered the wrong version had been posted because the final draft with the White House’s changes hadn’t marked what was different. Ms. Troye, who since leaving the White House this summer has been a vocal critic of the White House’s pandemic response, said Dr. Redfield was dealing with immense pressure from the White House, and that his response showed his effort to "manage protecting his workforce but also trying to hang in there.” Dr. Redfield pushed privately for the CDC to be able to resume media briefings and to speak more at task-force briefings. He told associates he was concerned that the White House involvement was affecting morale at the CDC and discrediting his people. Several times this year, Dr. Redfield has been on the receiving end of a furious phone call from the president, HHS’s Mr. Azar, or Michael Caputo, whom the president installed this spring as an HHS spokesman, over pandemic guidance. In May, the president was predicting the virus would "go away” even as Covid-19 cases began to climb again. The CDC issued a weekly report that identified certain "superspreader” events that had helped accelerate the spread of Covid-19 in the U.S. in February and March. An interview conducted by the Associated Press with Anne Schuchat, the CDC’s principal deputy director and author of the report, carried the headline, "Health official says U.S. missed some chances to slow virus.” Furious, Mr. Azar called Dr. Redfield to accuse the agency of undermining the administration, complaining that the report and interview suggested the Trump administration had been late to act, according to a former HHS official. Mr. Azar questioned why Dr. Redfield allowed Dr. Schuchat, who has worked at the agency since 1988, served as its acting director twice and had been leading the agency’s Covid-19 response, to publish the report and was angry that he hadn’t been able to view it first, the former official said. An HHS spokeswoman, speaking for Mr. Azar, said the frustration was on "procedural grounds and had nothing to do with the content of the report.” The CDC saw more direct involvement when it was gearing up to issue guidance for bars and restaurants, considered by health officials to be major venues for spreading the virus. A CDC report in September showed that adults who had Covid-19 were twice as likely to have visited a restaurant shortly before their illness as adults who weren’t infected. The CDC had included a line in its draft urging people to social distance, which the guidance defined as staying 6 feet apart if possible. Mr. Vought, director of the Office of Management and Budget, was among OMB officials who urged Dr. Redfield to remove or change the definition of "social distancing” and advise establishments instead to "enhance spacing.” OMB officials were concerned that being overly specific would pave the way for lawsuits against the businesses, a former administration official said. The OMB supported encouraging people to maintain distance and was seeking to keep language consistent across administration guidelines, an administration official said. The two sides reached a compromise: The recommendation to social distance remained, but the definition of the term as remaining 6 feet apart was nixed—though the guidance linked to another CDC page that advised people to keep 6 feet apart. Write to Rebecca Ballhaus at Rebecca.Ballhaus@wsj.com, Stephanie Armour at stephanie.armour@wsj.com and Betsy McKay at betsy.mckay@wsj.com
October 15, 20205 yr The virus may have not of killed trump but, his continuous words and actions towards it will politically
October 15, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: Saban better be alright. They interviewed him last night on SVP - he said so far he's symptom free and was shocked to have tested positive.
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