4 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

This is a novel virus.  No one has immunity to it.  If someone knowingly has the disease, they should absolutely quarantine themselves to avoid spreading it to others.  

He means stress and other factors associated with quarantine decrease your overall immune system response making you more susceptible in the future to fighting off Covid or other diseases.

1 hour ago, DMMVP said:

New York is an outlier. Large population density majorly relying on a crowded transit system doomed a lot of people. 

Florida has a high population density, closed late, and has fared much better.

I can't agree with protesting without a mask. Puts others at risk which is unacceptable.

I do believe we have to open and social distance. People are ignoring the lockdowns out of frustration, governors have to take that into account.

 

 

NYC has a far greater density than Florida. New York State also has a higher density than the state of Florida. 

9 minutes ago, DMMVP said:

He means stress and other factors associated with quarantine decrease your overall immune system response making you more susceptible in the future to fighting off Covid or other diseases.

Are there studies that show being quarantined for 14 days results in a weakening of your immune system?  I am highly skeptical of the thought of 14 days of quarantine making an impact on an immune system that has been getting built for someone’s entire life.

20 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

NYC has a far greater density than Florida. New York State also has a higher density than the state of Florida. 

Not true, extemely similar by state. 412 to 400 residents per square mile.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/183588/population-density-in-the-federal-states-of-the-us/

NYC is 3x the most populous city of Florida. But my main point is reliance of NYC on mass transit and no intervention until mid-March doomed alot of people.

13 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Are there studies that show being quarantined for 14 days results in a weakening of your immune system?  I am highly skeptical of the thought of 14 days of quarantine making an impact on an immune system that has been getting built for someone’s entire life.

I believe he was referring to quarantining non-infected for long periods of time.

1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said:

I'll take the under on that bet.

I’ll take that bet. I’ve posted pictures of prime time rush hour and it’s a ghost town here. Here’s Lowe’s, yesterday around 9am. It’s the busiest I’ve seen it since April 3rd.

 

51 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

This is a novel virus.  No one has immunity to it.  If someone knowingly has the disease, they should absolutely quarantine themselves to avoid spreading it to others.  

Every year a novel virus comes out that no one immunity to, they call them different strains.

Quarantine the sick, yes, quarantine the healthy, hell no, that's only going to weaken you immune system making it more likely that you catch the disease.

Little children get sick so often because their immunity systems haven't been built, you build your immune system by coming in contact with viruses, bacteria and germs.

8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The CDC is also directed hospitals and care centers to report deaths that might be Covid 19 as Covid 19.  The reported death numbers in the US are questionable.  

Questionable is an understatement, they're flat out lies!!

1 hour ago, DMMVP said:

 Also, the idea of flattening the curve was to spread the infections over time to not overwhelm our healthcare system.

Doing something to flatten the curve is total BS, it happens naturally.

Viruses attack low hanging fruit first, namely the elderly with compromised immune systems, after they're knocked off, the younger individuals with strong immune systems can fend the virus off when they're infected, leading to what they're calling herd immunity.

Guys need to stop watching mainstream news, those reporters are given a script what to report, if they don't  read the script word for word they're off the air.

Think I don't know what I'm talking about, check this out..... https://www.****ute.com/video/U3eYPkhVUbLu/

3 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The CDC is also directed hospitals and care centers to report deaths that might be Covid 19 as Covid 19.  The reported death numbers in the US are questionable.  

In many cases that's not unreasonable though. The tests we use seem to have a very high false negative rate currently. Meanwhile there are somewhat specific radiologic and symptom findings associated with COVID which is what doctors are currently using along with exposure history to note suspected COVID deaths. And for the record we chart diagnoses/deaths due to suspected specific etiologies without confirmatory testing all the time at baseline. 

I'd argue the underestimation that would occur if we required a positive test would far outweigh the overestimation that occurs by marking suspected deaths based on history physical and imaging.

25 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

Doing something to flatten the curve is total BS, it happens naturally.

Viruses attack low hanging fruit first, namely the elderly with compromised immune systems, after they're knocked off, the younger individuals with strong immune systems can fend the virus off when they're infected, leading to what they're calling herd immunity.

Guys need to stop watching mainstream news, those reporters are given a script what to report, if they don't  read the script word for word they're off the air.

Think I don't know what I'm talking about, check this out..... https://www.****ute.com/video/U3eYPkhVUbLu/

I agreed with your prior statement on not quarantining the healthy.

Whether agreeing or disagreeing with the flattening of the curve, the basis was misunderstood by a lot of people.

Most would still end up infected over time until it burned out, a vaccine came, or herd immunity was reached.

1 hour ago, DMMVP said:

Not true, extemely similar by state. 412 to 400 residents per square mile.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/183588/population-density-in-the-federal-states-of-the-us/

NYC is 3x the most populous city of Florida. But my main point is reliance of NYC on mass transit and no intervention until mid-March doomed alot of people.

Your numbers say I’m right. NY is higher, NYC much higher. 

2 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

Plus all their doctors and journalists keep falling off buildings.

2 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said:

I’ve never warn a mask before in public spaces.  I have been now.  It’s not like it’s difficult task or something.

You've never worn a mask because there was no need to wear a mask, unfortunately you've been scared into wearing one now failing to realize that there's still no need to wear one.

You're going to say "It’s not like it’s difficult task or something" when they want to inject you with who knows what.

Just now, EagleVA said:

You've never worn a mask because there was no need to wear a mask, unfortunately you've been scared into wearing one now failing to realize that there's still no need to wear one.

You're going to say "It’s not like it’s difficult task or something" when they want to inject you with who knows what.

probably a P, right?  weirdos!    

55 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Your numbers say I’m right. NY is higher, NYC much higher. 

My initial post indicated NYC is an outlier because of population density and reliance on mass transit. It's incomparable to other states.

Florida is an example of a highly population dense US state that has fared well considering later lockdown and now relaxation of those measures.

That would indicate lockdowns are neither the most effective nor sustainable. Proper social distancing measures are much more effective.

 

5 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

You've never worn a mask because there was no need to wear a mask, unfortunately you've been scared into wearing one now failing to realize that there's still no need to wear one.

You're going to say "It’s not like it’s difficult task or something" when they want to inject you with who knows what.

Yeaaaa sorry not getting pulled into one of your whacky conspiracy theory conversations.   Have a nice day.

today is National Nurses Day 👍

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Health workers that volunteered to come to NY during pandemic have to pay state income tax: Cuomo

By: Corey Crockett , James Ford

Posted at 9:11 PM, May 05, 2020

 

and last updated 7:15 AM, May 06, 2020

NEW YORK — Health care workers that came to New York to help fight the coronavirus pandemic at its epicenter will have to pay state taxes, according to the governor.

He addressed the issues Tuesday at a news conference.

"We're not in a position to provide any subsidies right now because we have a $13 billion deficit," Gov. Andrew Cuomo said. "So there's a lot of good things I'd like to do, and if we get federal funding, we can do, but it would be irresponsible for me to sit here looking at a $13 billion deficit and say I'm gonna spend more money, when I can't even pay the essential services."

Even though the state government asked thousands of people to come to New York from out of state to help fight coronavirus, they will have to pay New York state taxes, even on income they might make from their home states that they're paid while in New York.

Cuomo said he needs help from Washington in order to cover budget deficits from COVID-19, let alone subsidize state income tax for essential workers that flocked to New York's aid.

"If we don't get more money from Washington, we can't fund schools, right, so at the rate we want to fund them. We are in dire financial need," he said.

The issue first came up when the temporary hospital in Central Park was being erected by Samaritan's Purse.

"Our financial comptroller called me," said Ken Isaacs, a vice president of the organization, "and he said, 'Do you know that all of you are going to be liable for New York state income tax?'

"I said, 'What?'" Isaacs continued. "[The comptroller] said, 'Yeah, there's a law. If you work in New York State for more than 14 days, you have to pay state income tax.'"

"I didn't know that," Isaacs told PIX11 News.

"What we're even more concerned about than the money," Isaacs continued, "is the bureaucracy, and the paperwork, and I think that once that's unleashed...once you start filing that, you have to do that for like a whole year or something."

A top New York City certified public accountant explained the situation further in a FaceTime interview with PIX11 News at the time.

Entities from "these other states will have to register in New York," said Lawrence Spielman, a partner at the accounting firm Spielman, Koenigsberg & Parker, LLP, "and do withholding here in New York."

Any out-of-state resident who's come to the Empire State to work on coronavirus relief is subject to the tax after 14 days here.

There are thousands of emergency workers here who've responded to requests by Cuomo and Mayor Bill De Blasio for help. Many of them are collecting paychecks from companies back in their home states, which allowed them to come to New York to volunteer.

 

 

https://www.pix11.com/news/coronavirus/health-workers-that-volunteered-to-come-to-ny-during-pandemic-have-to-pay-state-income-tax-cuomo?fbclid=IwAR19XeNYt3NAMXbC9XUSumBmyFBtjtYqrpe0WOgiSN6ZJuU-j_I_xXKKXhY

I like how Fredo's brother threw the responsibility for the NY deficit back onto the Feds.  Dire financial need - blah blah blah.

Aint givin no breaks to those who helped in mid-crisis.  smh

15 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

 

 

https://www.pix11.com/news/coronavirus/health-workers-that-volunteered-to-come-to-ny-during-pandemic-have-to-pay-state-income-tax-cuomo?fbclid=IwAR19XeNYt3NAMXbC9XUSumBmyFBtjtYqrpe0WOgiSN6ZJuU-j_I_xXKKXhY

That's New York's insane laws for you.  They have other insane laws like that.  Did you know that in New York, if you are building something like a highrise, and a construction worker shows up for work high or drunk, and he gets injured on the job, the developer is still liable for the injuries?  In what universe is this acceptable?  Maybe they should make the victims of a drunk driver pay for their own injuries, too.

56 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Yeaaaa sorry not getting pulled into one of your whacky conspiracy theory conversations.   Have a nice day.

Just mention conspiracy theory and all thinking stops.

The irony of it all is they've conspired to lock the world down and because few think about what they're being told they're complying, talking about whacky.  

4 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

Just mention conspiracy theory and all thinking stops.

The irony of it all is they've conspired to lock the world down and because few think about what they're being told they're complying, talking about whacky.  

Who is the beneficiary of this coordinated world wide hoax? 

 

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Was Sundance a "First Petri Dish" of Coronavirus in the States?

by Tatiana Siegel

 

May 06, 2020, 6:35am PDT

 

 

A swath of attendees suffered harsh flu-like symptoms, leading a microbiologist to question whether the January festival was "the perfect formula to contaminate everybody."

On Jan. 27, actress Ashley Jackson felt the first symptoms of a nasty bug — fever, clammy skin, fatigue and shortness of breath. Given her current locale — Park City — she chalked it up to altitude sickness and toughed out her final day at the Sundance Film Festival, where she had attended the world premiere of Blast Beat, a family drama in which she co-stars, as well as a dizzying array of parties and lounges. The next day, the 20-year-old college student flew home to Atlanta, just as more intense symptoms began to emerge, including sore throat, aches and pains and a cough so violent, her neck swelled. Within 24 hours, she made her first of multiple visits to an urgent care facility or emergency room and was diagnosed with the flu based on her condition (though no flu test was given at the time).

Like many who make the annual trek to the indie film mecca, Jackson left Sundance far worse off than when she entered. After all, the quaint mountain oasis transforms into a petri dish as some 120,000 festivalgoers from around the world huddle in crowded movie theaters during cold and flu season. In recent years, the festival's organizers have placed an emphasis on attracting international filmmakers, and this year was no exception, with a lineup of 118 feature-length films representing 27 countries.

Industryites long have dubbed any illness caught while visiting the 10-day festival as "the Sundance flu," a byproduct of frigid temperatures, late-night partying and all that handshaking, in which everyone becomes an unknowing vector for spreading germs. But there was something different about Sundance 2020. A swath of attendees, including festival regulars and at least one high-profile actor, became sicker than ever before, leading some to later believe they had early, undocumented cases of COVID-19.

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Ashley Jackson at a Sundance premiere and, later, in a mask while sick.

 

"I started texting other people who had been at Sundance, and one said, 'Yo, we just started calling it the Sundance Plague on social media,' " says Jackson. "We all had the same symptoms, all had the cough, all had trouble breathing at night. Some of us got humidifiers and some got oxygen. And we were all just miserable for three to four weeks. And then out of nowhere, we're back living in society like nothing is wrong. And then I see all these coronavirus stories, and I was like, 'Whoa.'"

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the first U.S. case of COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, was confirmed Jan. 21 — a Washington state man who recently had returned from Wuhan, China, where the highly communicable virus is believed to have originated. At the time, the CDC had just announced that airports would conduct health screenings for passengers traveling from Wuhan to Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York, but Salt Lake City — the main travel hub for Sundance attendees — was not included.

Two days after Patient Zero was identified in Washington, the festival kicked off. Few if any in Park City were thinking of the coronavirus. The Hollywood Reporter spoke with more than a dozen people with similar stories. Some asked to remain anonymous, including one writer and three of his friends who "all got the same mysterious sickness — a little different for each of us — but always quite intense."

Nearly all knew of others whose cases were comparable to theirs. One actor best known for his role in a major studio tentpole was "gravely ill," and members of his team also succumbed (he declined to speak on the record). The Black List founder Franklin Leonard, who is a Sundance regular, says he began feeling sick on Tuesday, Jan. 28 — the day he flew from Salt Lake City back to Los Angeles. "Landed with a sore throat, and by Wednesday I was barely functional," he says. " was as sick as I've ever been for two weeks. Only really felt 100 percent by the weekend of the Oscars." He knew of at least two people who left the festival early because they were sick, including a lawyer.

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Paige McGarvin pictured at an event and then while sick.

 

"At this point, corona was kind of this internet meme," says actress Paige McGarvin, 23, who also was struck by a mystery illness on the ground in Sundance. "I didn't think it was a real threat that was anywhere near me." McGarvin arrived in Park City on Jan. 23 for the world premiere of the Alec Baldwin-produced drama Beast Beast, in which she plays the role of a Georgia teenager. Over the course of her eight-day stay, she hit several packed parties and began to feel "that vague 'I'm getting sick' feeling" but decided to power through. On Feb. 1, the morning she headed back to Los Angeles by car, she woke up "feeling like I got hit by a truck." She couldn't move and could barely speak.

"I was driving back with three friends, and we were going to split the drive into four pieces and each drive two and a half hours. And me and another girl that I was with, we just laid in the back seat in so much pain,” she recalls. "I have never felt more miserable. I couldn’t open my eyes. I put something over my face, and I couldn’t even sleep. My body just hurt.”

Over the following days, her condition worsened. On Feb. 4, McGarvin texted her mother: "I can barely breathe when I cough; it’s like I can’t stop coughing enough to inhale." At her mother's urging, she went to the doctor and was diagnosed with "flu-like symptoms and exacerbated asthma." The doctor prescribed a steroid and assured her that she was "through the worst of it" and her symptoms would subside in the next day or two. Although the severe, dry cough continued, by Feb. 12 she felt like she was returning to normal. But five days later, her condition took a dramatic turn for the worse. "My legs were unbearably achy. I was in so much pain. Extreme temperature fluctuation, was wearing two hoodies and still freezing, then would start sweating a few hours later," she says. McGarvin returned to the doctor, who was mystified by the fact that she was heading into her third week of flu-like symptoms, which typically subside within five days. She underwent a battery of tests and came back negative for the flu and strep. Her chest X-ray was clean.

"The doctor basically was like, 'OK, I'm guessing you're developing pneumonia.' He didn't see pneumonia, but he didn't know what else it would be," she explains. Then, on Feb. 21, more than three weeks after her symptoms' onset, they disappeared just as suddenly as they had materialized.

McGarvin's trajectory mirrored that of Jackson, who kept detailed notes from her six visits to doctors, including two emergency room stays at Piedmont Atlanta Hospital. The actress shared with THR her medical records, which later ruled out flu as well as strep and pneumonia via lab results and chest X-rays. Other tests were inconclusive, like a Feb. 3 CT scan that showed "enlargement of the bilateral adenoids and palatine tonsils most likely representing tonsillitis.” Jackson also developed symptoms that are uniquely linked to coronavirus, including conjunctivitis. By Feb. 12, she returned to class. "I wasn’t completely healed but needed to start catching up and felt well enough to attend,” she says.

But as COVID-19 news coverage began to dominate headlines throughout the month of March, Jackson became increasingly convinced that the parallels with her condition were impossible to ignore. On April 1, she called Spelman College Heath Center to inquire about the coronavirus possibility. She was told there was a "high likelihood" she had had it and "if you had these symptoms now, I'd say isolate or get tested."

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Jonica T. Gibbs (left) with Olivia Charmaine Morris. Morris, later, while sick.

 

As the Sundance sick began to reach out to friends, a picture of a sprawling web of illness began to emerge. Olivia Charmaine Morris, 28, senior director of development and production at Kerry Washington's Simpson Street, explains: "I had a few different friends I talked to since who were like, 'I got sick, my lawyer, my assistant, my stylist,' " she says. "Like whole groups of people getting sick, not just like random people here and there. Anecdotally, I know seven or eight people that had the same symptoms, and they all know three to seven more people."

Like Leonard, she flew from Salt Lake City back to Los Angeles on Jan. 28 and felt the first symptoms upon arrival. Over the course of weeks and multiple doctor visits, she was tested for the flu and strep and received a chest X-ray. "Everything came back negative," she recalls. "And I was given three different rounds of antibiotics. I ended up going to a private doctor and getting an IV drip with an immune booster. The most startling thing about this type of sickness over anything that I've ever had before was that truly nothing was mitigating the symptoms. I have had the flu before, I have had bronchitis. Nothing came close to this."

But if coronavirus was lurking at the festival, presumably locals — from restaurant workers to Uber drivers — also would have been hit. A spokesperson for the Park City Medical Center declined to comment on whether the facility experienced an uptick in patients during and in the direct aftermath of the festival and referred THR to the Summit County Health Department. But according to the health department, the first official case of COVID-19 in the county was documented March 10. As of April 2, the Utah Department of Health stopped reporting visitor cases in the state. A spokesperson for the Sundance festival said: "We're sorry to hear that any of our festival attendees were unwell either during or after our January edition. We are not aware of any confirmed festival-connected cases of COVID-19."

Dean Hart, a microbiologist and expert in virus transmission, says there's a good chance coronavirus did, indeed, sweep through Park City during the run of the festival given that the Wuhan lockdown began Jan. 23, the same day Sundance started. "Logic dictates that they most probably did have it," says Hart of the presentation of symptoms. "With Sundance, you've got the perfect formula for this virus to really go to town and contaminate everybody."

It may take months before the mystery of Sundance 2020 is unraveled. Antibody tests are not yet readily available. Further confusing matters, the country was in the midst of a particularly bad flu season. And during the fall of 2019, the CDC began investigating a mystery vaping illness, whose symptoms were nearly identical to COVID-19, with many of those hit experiencing fevers and shortness of breath, suffering respiratory failure and being put on ventilators. Furthermore, mounting evidence suggests that coronavirus hit the U.S. well before the Washington state case, which deviates from the initial understanding of its path. The Santa Clara County medical examiner recently announced that two residents who died in early to mid-February were infected with COVID-19, according to postmortem testing. That could mean the virus was silently spreading in California before mid-January.

None of the people THR talked to has yet to receive an antibody test. But all plan to get one as soon as a reliable test is available and will continue to practice social distancing. The experience has left several wondering whether Sundance 2020 was a previously unknown incubator for the virus.

"All those people that were in Park City, we all flew in and went somewhere else. And even a lot of the Uber or Lyft drivers were just in town for the festival, so they weren’t all necessarily even from the area,” says Morris, "We really could have been the first petri dish, and then we all just scattered."

 

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/was-sundance-a-first-petri-dish-coronavirus-states-1293378

5 minutes ago, Jsvand12 said:

Who is the beneficiary of this coordinated world wide hoax?