DURRRRR!!!! I'll take Trump's word for it! DURRRR!!!!!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/13/trump-says-coronavirus-vaccine-wont-be-delivered-to-new-york.html

8 minutes ago, M.C. said:

DURRRRR!!!! I'll take Trump's word for it! DURRRR!!!!!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/13/trump-says-coronavirus-vaccine-wont-be-delivered-to-new-york.html

Maybe take Cuomo's word for it?

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"Frankly, I’m not going to trust the federal government’s opinion and I wouldn’t recommend to New Yorkers based on the federal government’s opinion,” the Democrat governor said in a statement.

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Cuomo has previously said he wants his own team of in-house experts to review a federally approved COVID-19 vaccine before distributing the drug to millions of New Yorkers, arguing that he doesn’t think the FDA and CDC’s recommendations are "safe.”

 

 

FTR, I dont necessarly disagree with his position.  It feels rushed

38 minutes ago, paco said:

I said nothing of the sort, so Im not sure what your point is

No, but Trump did. 

14 minutes ago, paco said:

Maybe take Cuomo's word for it?

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FTR, I dont necessarly disagree with his position.  It feels rushed

That’s all a vastly different than "rejecting” it.  It’s his opinion that it’s rushed, as it is yours, but nowhere does he say he won’t allow it in his state. 
 

trump on the other hand explicitly said he wouldn’t be giving any to New York. 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Here is your herd immunity not working graph

 

Well... duh... it’s herd mentality according to soon to be former president trump. Not herd immunity.

7 minutes ago, DBW said:

That’s all a vastly different than "rejecting” it.  It’s his opinion that it’s rushed, as it is yours, but nowhere does he say he won’t allow it in his state. 
 

trump on the other hand explicitly said he wouldn’t be giving any to New York. 

He did not though.  This is what he said:

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"As soon as April, the vaccine will be available to the entire general population with the exception of places like New York State where for political reasons the governor decided to say — and I don’t think it’s good politically, i think it’s very bad from a health standpoint — but he wants to take his time with a vaccine,” Trump said.

 

"He doesn’t trust where the vaccine’s coming from,” Trump fired back on Friday. "These are coming from the greatest companies anywhere in the world, the greatest labs in the world, but he doesn’t trust the fact that it’s this White House, this administration.”

"So we won’t be delivering it to New York until we have authorization to do so. That pains me to say that. This is a very successful amazing vaccine at 90 percent and more. So the governor, Gov. Cuomo, will have to let us know when he’s ready for it.” Trump said.

"We can’t be delivering it to a state that won’t be giving it to its people immediately and I know the people of New York very well and I know they want it. The governor will let us know when he’s ready,” he continued, bashing Cuomo’s handling of the deadly nursing home crisis.

And that actually makes sense.  There is a finite amount and you want to get it to the people asap.  If a state is going to store, lets make up a number and say 250,000 doses, until its super sure, thats 250,000 us citizens who could have otherwise been helped by it that wont be.

3 minutes ago, paco said:

He did not though.  This is what he said:

 

Well come April Trump won't be around to have to worry about it. 

Really comes down to a government that just don't trust each other and have been bashing each other the entire year. I'm sure once trump is out and April rolls around New york governor will change his tune. 

3 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Well come April Trump won't be around to have to worry about it. 

Really comes down to a government that just don't trust each other and have been bashing each other the entire year. I'm sure once trump is out and April rolls around New york governor will change his tune. 

January is more likely, assuming it really is that close to being ready.  Ill have to find the quote later but he did say something about how the rollout should wait until Biden takes office.

So basically Cuomo said he wants his review of it before it’s given to NY.  He believes his team will be done their review for when the vaccine is ready.  Trump said NY will only get it when they are willing to accept it.

1 minute ago, paco said:

January is more likely.  Ill have to find the quote later but he did say something about how the rollout should wait until Biden takes office.

I figured as much, trump and Cuomo have been going at it all year long. It's just a pissing match between 2 a-holes. 

2 hours ago, RPeeteRules said:

So basically Cuomo said he wants his review of it before it’s given to NY.  He believes his team will be done their review for when the vaccine is ready.  

Which is reasonable and fair

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Trump said NY will only get it when they are willing to accept it.

Thats a bit of a hot take.  He said they will get it when he has authorization.  Which comes from Cuomo.

Here’s a good podcast on the vaccine if anyone’s interested 

 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000498316684

3 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I figured as much, trump and Cuomo have been going at it all year long. It's just a pissing match between 2 a-holes. 

Oh yeah.  The whole thing was petty as f.  We had to change the channel

Does anyone know what factors PA uses to determine what states are on their travel restrictions list?  Meaning the states that if you travel to them it’s recommended you quarantine for 14 days upon returning?

2 hours ago, mikemack8 said:

Does anyone know what factors PA uses to determine what states are on their travel restrictions list?  Meaning the states that if you travel to them it’s recommended you quarantine for 14 days upon returning?

Best I could find:

"States fall under the travel advisory if testing shows more than 100 new cases per 100,000 residents or a positive rate of 10% or greater over the previous seven days"

Tried to confirm it in the PA DOH site but it's kind of a clusterF. 

5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Best I could find:

"States fall under the travel advisory if testing shows more than 100 new cases per 100,000 residents or a positive rate of 10% or greater over the previous seven days"

Tried to confirm it in the PA DOH site but it's kind of a clusterF. 

That sounds about right - similar in delaware.  But honestly, who’s gonna know or enforce it?  Not like they’ll herd y’all up at the airport and lock you in a self storage container for 2 weeks before you can go see your family.  

2 hours ago, mikemack8 said:

Does anyone know what factors PA uses to determine what states are on their travel restrictions list?  Meaning the states that if you travel to them it’s recommended you quarantine for 14 days upon returning?

Most states are doing the 10% positive test rate, as mentioned.  Massachusetts is actually doing 6% positive test rate.

It's pretty much going to be every state except Vermont soon. And Vermont won't let you go there anyway. 

11 hours ago, downundermike said:

Here is your herd immunity not working graph

 

Pay attention. I give you a weekly update in here. Testing was more or less non existent in Sweden until the end of June. Now there is a huge amount ongoing. Last number I saw showed 15x more testing now then back in April. You can throw out any confirmed cases comparisons in Sweden for anything prior to the end of June.  Also, the govt never ever once said anything about trying to reach herd immunity.  They did on the other hand talk about gaining control and they did that on many occasions.  There was most certainly a level of control that persisted thru the summer and into Sept.  That is not the case now.
 

At this point, what we can say for sure is that we are now well into a second wave. I can also say that people are NOT being as diligent as the first time around with distancing, etc. as I'm in the city nearly every day and riding the subway quite often. As for masks, there are clearly more people wearing them relatively but still a very low number. Guessing 10% of people in public. Something like that.  As for policy, there are lots of increases in restrictive policy. For example, pubs/bars/clubs and restaurants will no longer be allowed to serve alcohol after 10pm starting some time next week. Stuff like that. 
 

Flipping to the death comparisons those are quite relevant on the other hand. Too early to tell yet how those will play out in this 2nd wave but we can trust those numbers as compared to the March-June phase. I’ll post this week’s update later today. When I looked yesterday the report wasn’t up yet and then I got caught up in a Friday night Ribera Del Duero and the Masters. 
 

 

btw - No one here in Sweden talks about trying to reach herd immunity as the actual policy and don’t confuse me for doing so. It would be nice to reach of course but that doesn’t make it good policy. 

So weekly update now.  Generally the 2nd wave continues with increases across the board.  New restrictions and recommendations coming in daily.  The govt has been quite clear that they underestimated the intensity of the 2nd wave BUT they always said there would be one.

Tons of people testing now and many confirmed cases.  I know several people from my work, my wife's work, neighbors, etc.  No one could get tested back in March/April/May and there were a lot of people that had mild symptoms at the time.  Most people I speak with believe the levels were very high back in the Spring but we couldn't get tested so didn't know for sure.  Numbers are certainly high again here in the Stockholm region.  The one piece of good news is that every single case I've heard about has resulted in mild symptoms lasting a week or so.  One theory is that people are getting sick again but with lesser symptoms a 2nd time around, just a theory of course.

 

 

Some vitals below:

Confirmed cases - Up up up week on week.  Impossible to compare to earlier periods as I explained in the previous post.  However, the weekly trends over the last six weeks are clear as are the rates of positive result per test.

Admitted COVID patients - The level is now up to about 1/3 in terms of cumulative numbers as compared to the mid-March thru end April peak numbers.  On the anecdotal level I have friends whose spouses work in a couple different hospitals on the COVID wards and both report high levels again those not as high as before and not at overrun yet.  Those people are in the big hot spots of Stockholm and Uppsala so not terribly surprising. The coming weeks here will be quite important with this metric in determining the strength of this wave as compared to the first go round.

Deaths - Numbers are still very low.  We have yet to hit a week with cumulative 100 and at peak we had almost 700 earlier.  Simply too early to make any conclusions.

A larger-than-the-first second wave in any country isn't in itself a sign of failure on the government's part. We always knew it was a possibility given the behavior of previous pandemics after establishing themselves worldwide (see 1918 flu) and unless you are able to totally isolate on an island it's pretty much inevitable if that's how the virus behaves.

The failure would be to have inadequately prepared for this possibility (testing, tracing, vents, prevention initiatives, etc) or to inadequately respond to growing case numbers to the point where hospitals are overloaded and/or deaths per capita dramatically outpace other comparable countries. 

Second wave, same strategy: Swedish COVID-19 czar defiant despite surge

The strategy, however, will not change.

"No, we will keep on this path," Chief Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell told Reuters in a telephone interview on Friday. "This is how we work in Sweden. We have big understanding for this and a huge adherence to the rules."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden-tegnell-idUSKBN27T2R1

 

The words of someone not "dug in" while willing to have a "nuanced discussion."

Translation: We will continue with responsive restrictive measures without a forced lockdown. 
 

Most places outside the UK use that approach now. 

 

edit: Austria just announced a lockdown.

A guy who works for the school district in my area just said to me he still thinks the virus is fake and isn't real. Let me repeat that he works for the school. Not only that the school he works for currently has 100 students and faculty out with covid...... And he thinks it's fake and the election was rigged. Just wow. 

Two vaccines 

where do I get in line?