3 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Two vaccines 

where do I get in line? 

You gonna get both?

9 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Two vaccines 

where do I get in line? 

For almost all of us, you'll be dealing with Hobson's choice, but I imagine the difference between these two are negligible seeing as how they're both mRNA vaccines.

One key difference is the cold storage requirements for distribution   (-70C vs -20C) 

On 11/14/2020 at 12:17 PM, Bwestbrook36 said:

A guy who works for the school district in my area just said to me he still thinks the virus is fake and isn't real. Let me repeat that he works for the school. Not only that the school he works for currently has 100 students and faculty out with covid...... And he thinks it's fake and the election was rigged. Just wow. 

Let me guess, he’s a Social Studies teacher who loves Trump’s patriotic history initiative.  Lol

Thank God President Trump defeated COVID.

3 minutes ago, Shocker54 said:

The timing of these announcements is incredible. 

You should definitely cry about it

3 minutes ago, Shocker54 said:

The timing of these announcements is incredible. 

They timed it so Trump would lose the election.
 

So sorry, man.

 

   

My wife and I are having a disagreement over the severity of this second wave. I'm not taking it lightly, but I'm also not freaking out. At least that's how I see it.

Her mom doesn't want to come for Thanksgiving, which is her prerogative. My parents will be coming up. So my parents, my wife, and our kids. 

My nephews coming for the morning just to see us is the big issue. They are only staying for a few hours, but they're teenagers.

A complicating factor is that one is heading into the Navy in early December and this will be the last time I see him for about a year, at least that's what the Navy has told him. The other two are in high school, and they've committed to wearing masks while they're here. They want to see the family, who they haven't seen in months, and there are no known outbreaks in the district they're in.

Anything is risk of course, but while case counts are up the hospital numbers are low and holding. 

My wife's big fear is both of us getting a debilitating case of COVID at the exact same time and not being able to tend the kids. I get that fear, but the chances of that happening seem incredibly small, especially if we're taking appropriate precautions.

Am I being too cavalier? 

7 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

My wife and I are having a disagreement over the severity of this second wave. I'm not taking it lightly, but I'm also not freaking out. At least that's how I see it.

Her mom doesn't want to come for Thanksgiving, which is her prerogative. My parents will be coming up. So my parents, my wife, and our kids. 

My nephews coming for the morning just to see us is the big issue. They are only staying for a few hours, but they're teenagers.

A complicating factor is that one is heading into the Navy in early December and this will be the last time I see him for about a year, at least that's what the Navy has told him. The other two are in high school, and they've committed to wearing masks while they're here. They want to see the family, who they haven't seen in months, and there are no known outbreaks in the district they're in.

Anything is risk of course, but while case counts are up the hospital numbers are low and holding. 

My wife's big fear is both of us getting a debilitating case of COVID at the exact same time and not being able to tend the kids. I get that fear, but the chances of that happening seem incredibly small, especially if we're taking appropriate precautions.

Am I being too cavalier? 

Everyone is in the same boat next week.  I had a similar conversation with my wife.

8 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

My wife and I are having a disagreement over the severity of this second wave. I'm not taking it lightly, but I'm also not freaking out. At least that's how I see it.

Her mom doesn't want to come for Thanksgiving, which is her prerogative. My parents will be coming up. So my parents, my wife, and our kids. 

My nephews coming for the morning just to see us is the big issue. They are only staying for a few hours, but they're teenagers.

A complicating factor is that one is heading into the Navy in early December and this will be the last time I see him for about a year, at least that's what the Navy has told him. The other two are in high school, and they've committed to wearing masks while they're here. They want to see the family, who they haven't seen in months, and there are no known outbreaks in the district they're in.

Anything is risk of course, but while case counts are up the hospital numbers are low and holding. 

My wife's big fear is both of us getting a debilitating case of COVID at the exact same time and not being able to tend the kids. I get that fear, but the chances of that happening seem incredibly small, especially if we're taking appropriate precautions.

Am I being too cavalier? 

Depends on the data and situation in your area. Key metrics to look at are trends in positivity rate and hospitalizations. Raw case numbers could be misleading if your area is lagging in testing capacity.

Just after Halloween, I felt far less concerned about the risk we when were first discussing Thanksgiving plans. It's amazing how much changed here in just the last two weeks. Even people we know who have allegedly been very careful have been getting infected. This whole thing is insane.

For us, we have cut the invite list down to just my wife's parents and her sister and husband. I plan to heat the house up high in the morning, run the furnace fan all day, run humidifiers, crack the windows, and add the extra leaves to the table to mitigate the risk as much as possible.

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Depends on the data and situation in your area. Key metrics to look at are trends in positivity rate and hospitalizations. Raw case numbers could be misleading if your area is lagging in testing capacity.

Just after Halloween, I felt far less concerned about the risk we when were first discussing Thanksgiving plans. It's amazing how much changed here in just the last two weeks. Even people we know who have allegedly been very careful have been getting infected. This whole thing is insane.

For us, we have cut the invite list down to just my wife's parents and her sister and husband. I plan to heat the house up high in the morning, run the furnace fan all day, run humidifiers, crack the windows, and add the extra leaves to the table to mitigate the risk as much as possible.

for a moment I thought you were adding tree leaves to your table, some kind of witch doctor preventative measure 

we're going to be spreading out as much as possible as well. though we've seen my parents somewhat frequently (a couple times a month), most recently last sunday. 

my mother typically sleeps over the night before, and then starts the day early getting ready/cooking.

I admit that Thanksgiving is by far my favorite holiday, and so that is no doubt coloring my judgement. cranking the heat, running the fireplace, having the fans running all sounds like a good idea. 

3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

for a moment I thought you were adding tree leaves to your table, some kind of witch doctor preventative measure 

we're going to be spreading out as much as possible as well. though we've seen my parents somewhat frequently (a couple times a month), most recently last sunday. 

my mother typically sleeps over the night before, and then starts the day early getting ready/cooking.

I admit that Thanksgiving is by far my favorite holiday, and so that is no doubt coloring my judgement. cranking the heat, running the fireplace, having the fans running all sounds like a good idea. 

Another thought I've floated to the wife, was for us to wear masks when not eating, but we aren't sure how well received it would be. I'm also ready to pull the kids out of school but my wife is a bit hesitant. The governor here just declared all high schools must switch to virtual schooling starting wednesday but K-8 was exempt. I just don't want to have to live with the guilt or regret if God forbid something were to happen. Especially when we are just months away from getting vaccinated.

37 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

My wife and I are having a disagreement over the severity of this second wave. I'm not taking it lightly, but I'm also not freaking out. At least that's how I see it.

Am I being too cavalier? 

I think everyone is having the same conversation around Thanksgiving. I know my wife and I are. I trust anyone who isn't feeling well will stay home.  Can you commit everyone to taking a COVID test, or at least taking a temperature before arriving?

So our Thanksgiving dinner, which used to be 20+ people, is now whittled down to just my household and my in-laws. The out-of-state family isn't traveling and I don't blame them, I won't travel now either. So I think we'll be fine.

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Another thought I've floated to the wife, was for us to wear masks when not eating, but we aren't sure how well received it would be.

I figure, what's the point? You're sitting in the same room around each other, without masks on, while eating. If anyone is bringing Coronavirus with them to dinner, you're likely getting it anyway.

57 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

For almost all of us, you'll be dealing with Hobson's choice, but I imagine the difference between these two are negligible seeing as how they're both mRNA vaccines.

One key difference is the cold storage requirements for distribution   (-70C vs -20C) 

That-70C cold storage requirement will be problematic for widespread distribution outside of larger health facilities. 

17 minutes ago, BBE said:

That-70C cold storage requirement will be problematic for widespread distribution outside of larger health facilities. 

Preaching to the choir. I'll drive to Portage myself to get the damn thing if I have to.

20 minutes ago, toolg said:

I think everyone is having the same conversation around Thanksgiving. I know my wife and I are. I trust anyone who isn't feeling well will stay home.  Can you commit everyone to taking a COVID test, or at least taking a temperature before arriving?

So our Thanksgiving dinner, which used to be 20+ people, is now whittled down to just my household and my in-laws. The out-of-state family isn't traveling and I don't blame them, I won't travel now either. So I think we'll be fine.

I figure, what's the point? You're sitting in the same room around each other, without masks on, while eating. If anyone is bringing Coronavirus with them to dinner, you're likely getting it anyway.

Most of the viral particles are going to be exhaled when talking, laughing, etc. So if we're all at the table ramming gravy laden slices of turkey down our gullets, the risk might be slightly lower than while we're all on the couch watching football. The biggest issue I see, is that people are always with a drink in hand, even on the couch, so it nullifies compliance anyhow.

29 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Another thought I've floated to the wife, was for us to wear masks when not eating, but we aren't sure how well received it would be. I'm also ready to pull the kids out of school but my wife is a bit hesitant. The governor here just declared all high schools must switch to virtual schooling starting wednesday but K-8 was exempt. I just don't want to have to live with the guilt or regret if God forbid something were to happen. Especially when we are just months away from getting vaccinated.

our kids are currently in hybrid, but the school seems intent on eliminating that which will force us to choose traditional or virtual. we're lobbying the superintendent to keep it as is, as there is a lot of disagreement from the parents relating to a survey that was put out a few weeks ago, not to mention that the COVID situation has changed for the worse.

my one son really needs some kind of in person instruction. he is just not good at maintaining the focus necessary for virtual to work. 

regarding numbers in my county, there's been an uptick in hospitalizations, though there are still a lot of beds available. in our county of 630k people, 23 are currently hospitalized with COVID-19, 5 of them in adult ICU. 

2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

our kids are currently in hybrid, but the school seems intent on eliminating that which will force us to choose traditional or virtual. we're lobbying the superintendent to keep it as is, as there is a lot of disagreement from the parents relating to a survey that was put out a few weeks ago, not to mention that the COVID situation has changed for the worse.

my one son really needs some kind of in person instruction. he is just not good at maintaining the focus necessary for virtual to work. 

regarding numbers in my county, there's been an uptick in hospitalizations, though there are still a lot of beds available. in our county of 630k people, 23 are currently hospitalized with COVID-19, 5 of them in adult ICU. 

Look at positivity rate as well. The CDC recommended guideline is at or below 3% (7-day rolling) for allowing in-person schooling. We were at 2.6% statewide back in August when our district decided to allow in-person instruction for the fall. Our rate is now 12.3% and climbing rapidly. I've seen enough to know we are in for a nightmare in the coming months.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Most of the viral particles are going to be exhaled when talking, laughing, etc. So if we're all at the table ramming gravy laden slices of turkey down our gullets, the risk might be slightly lower than while we're all on the couch watching football. The biggest issue I see, is that people are always with a drink in hand, even on the couch, so it nullifies compliance anyhow.

Then you don't eat like we do! There's more talking and laughing at the dinner table. Sitting on the couch watching football is serious business. The kids will wander off playing somewhere around the house, and the adults not watching football will congregate in another room. There's more social distance outside of dinner!

Seriously, masks or no masks, I don't think you're protected if you're all gathered inside and someone is carrying the virus. I think it's false hope of security. Just my two cents. But if my host insists we all wear facemaks to dinner, I will comply.

We haven't figured out how to handle Thanksgiving yet.

 

7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Look at positivity rate as well. The CDC recommended guideline is at or below 3% (7-day rolling) for allowing in-person schooling. We were at 2.6% statewide back in August when our district decided to allow in-person instruction for the fall. Our rate is now 12.3% and climbing rapidly. I've seen enough to know we are in for a nightmare in the coming months.

as of a week ago it was at 6% in the county, and trending worse.

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

My wife and I are having a disagreement over the severity of this second wave. I'm not taking it lightly, but I'm also not freaking out. At least that's how I see it.

Her mom doesn't want to come for Thanksgiving, which is her prerogative. My parents will be coming up. So my parents, my wife, and our kids. 

My nephews coming for the morning just to see us is the big issue. They are only staying for a few hours, but they're teenagers.

A complicating factor is that one is heading into the Navy in early December and this will be the last time I see him for about a year, at least that's what the Navy has told him. The other two are in high school, and they've committed to wearing masks while they're here. They want to see the family, who they haven't seen in months, and there are no known outbreaks in the district they're in.

Anything is risk of course, but while case counts are up the hospital numbers are low and holding. 

My wife's big fear is both of us getting a debilitating case of COVID at the exact same time and not being able to tend the kids. I get that fear, but the chances of that happening seem incredibly small, especially if we're taking appropriate precautions.

Am I being too cavalier? 

We canceled thanksgiving on both sides of the family.  With my parents, outside of schmoopie, my sister and her husband, everyone there is over 70.  Can't risk it.  

I'm happy doing a zoom toast or something with the fam and just staying home. Plus, I don't want to break down at my brothers in front of everyone as Mr. Di always carved the turkey and last year we all knew that it was his last.  Leaning toward just staying put for this one.

I'm leaning towards us cooking and making meals for everyone to take home. COVID sucks.

8 minutes ago, DiPros said:

I'm happy doing a zoom toast or something with the fam and just staying home. Plus, I don't want to break down at my brothers in front of everyone as Mr. Di always carved the turkey and last year we all knew that it was his last.  Leaning toward just staying put for this one.

set up an emb zoom toast for all of us!    

22 minutes ago, paco said:

We canceled thanksgiving on both sides of the family.  With my parents, outside of schmoopie, my sister and her husband, everyone there is over 70.  Can't risk it.  

my parents are 64 and 65, and my dad is in very good shape for 65. my mom has no specific immune concerns, though she did smoke off and on. she doesn't now. but of the group that's currently attending she would be the highest risk.

we're planning on setting up Zoom to be able to connect with other relatives that we won't see. if that works out, we may see more of our family than typical frankly.

I just asked a neighbor who works part time at a local hospital. this was not what I wanted to hear regarding COVID hospitalizations: 

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18 to 40 over 6 days last week. Now somewhere around 60

numbers that I see from the county & state are 14 day moving averages. so these spikes won't really show up immediately.