49 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Well chills are gone, as is the fever. Body aches still though.

Was hoping with the fever gone that it was stress related, but if fever can come and go now I'm less sure.

You should absolutely get tested.

Just now, DEagle7 said:

You should absolutely get tested.

That's definitely happening.

7 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

As a Canadian I can honestly say Tim Hortons is terrible.  They have the gall to use the slogan "Always Fresh” ..... it’s never fresh; it’s distributed by truck, frozen, all over the country.  30 years ago it was actually pretty good.

Crown Royal is another very overrated Canadian brand.  It tastes like engine fluid mixed with sugar.  Gibson’s Finest is much better whisky 

Tim Hortons went down hill the second they stopped making donuts in the stores. Then they started adding a bunch of crap like chicken sandwiches and wedges that I wouldn't even feed to my dog. 

I still enjoy Crown, but Gibson's is much better. As is Forty Creek Double Barrel Reserve. 

8 hours ago, xzmattzx said:

I think not mentioning it shows how Canadian he is.  Tim Horton's has gone way downhill in the last 10 years or so, around when they merged with Burger King.  The coffee and lunch food options are trash.  The doughnuts are a small upgrade over Dunkin Donuts.  Variety on the menu seems smaller than it should be, even for their core items like doughnuts.

 

Tim Horton's is effectively the McDonald's of Canada.

 

A real Canadian goes to Second Cup for coffee.

Tim Horton's coffee is drinkable, definitely better than McDonalds, I usually go with the dark roast. I travel to weird places in Canada that aren't exactly metropolis level so sometimes it's the only reasonable coffee option. Their donuts are as someone stated slightly better than Dunkin. I do like the Timbits though and the muffins aren't bad. The lunch options are terrible. Really nothing they have is great though and they are always packed full of people wearing all denim outfits.

Second Cup is solid, much better coffee option that Tim's for sure. I always try to find a local mom and pop coffee place wherever I am but if there aren't any then Second Cup works just fine.

Even if you can’t stomach Maddow, it’s worth a watch. 

I'm glad I work at home and don't have to be around my co-workers, some of them are the type that say covid is no big deal and it's just a cold.  Go live your life and if you start to have symptoms just stay home.  

My boss was at a family gathering birthday party and now almost everyone at the party has covid.  He doesn't have symptoms but tested positive, his young daughter is in misery with a terrible cough.  He still said it's not that big a deal that it's like the cold or flu you get it and recover only small % get severe case.  Another co-worker is going to Florida for Thanksgiving with family members who are anti-mask and think it's just a cold.  2 of them currently are sick with cold symptoms but not getting tested.  She said she wants to go see them in case they get covid and she won't be able to see them again for a while.  

2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Well chills are gone, as is the fever. Body aches still though.

Was hoping with the fever gone that it was stress related, but if fever can come and go now I'm less sure.

Hope you feel better, bro. Drink plenty of fluids and get yourself some comfort food. Is there a Riot Kitchen in your area?

rick scott has the rona.

Weekly update from Sweden

Confirmed cases and positive test rates continue up but now rounding off and if the trend holds these should reach their plateau next week or the week after.  Both deaths and total admitted COVID patients are down slightly and if those trends hold we are likely at the peak.

In summary, there is a sign of a possible topping out of the 2nd wave.  If that is the case it will have been much lower than wave #1.  I'll dig in to some numbers once we are sure the 2nd wave is actually starting to end.  This could just be a little negative bump with things taking off again.

 

Overall, the basic calls for people to work from home, avoid public transportation, limit distancing, etc. have only had a very marginal effect though this week there were certainly fewer people out.  No appreciable increase in mask wearing over the last couple of weeks.  I'm putting the number at somewhere between 10-15% and that's just a swag based on what I see around the city.  There is however a heightened debate in the media regarding masks.

Update: the R-number is starting to drop, now that's a great sign

On 11/18/2020 at 1:16 PM, EaglesRocker97 said:

I'm not sure if this is a sarcastic comment or not. At face value, it would seem to be one, because leaving the decision to local authorities is more or less passing the buck, but it also seems that your dad is against lockdowns, so I'm curious as to what kind of leadership he would prefer to see here.

 

Yes he was being sarcastic. I think he wants a statewide mask mandate, enforceable with real penalties.

 

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This is another part where I'm not sure what point he's driving at. These countries are certainly good examples of how to control the virus, but the steps they took seem to run counter to what he implies that he favors here. They imposed nationwide lockdowns, enacted strict travel restrictions that remain in place, conducted thorough contact tracing with harsh penalties for non-compliance, and they paid people to stay home and supplied them directly with food and other necessities so people would not have to go outside of their homes to re-supply. These countries have deep-rooted cultural traditions of communalism and state control going back to ancient times. They are more accepting of authoritarianism and what many here would call invasions of privacy. In short, they undertook highly aggressive mitigation efforts that include economic interventions and the exercise of centralized authority that the author doesn't seem to support, and they are prepared to do so again at the flip of a switch. It is also ingrained into their societies to have a greater sense of community and to care for each other as a patriotic duty. That last part certainly plays a role, but you're not going to flip a cultural switch in America, and the centralized, aggressive mitigation efforts imposed by these Asian countries still provide the foundation for everyone in these countries to comfortably participate in the response.

Not necessarily.  Asian countries such as Japan and South Korea didn't enact nationwide lockdowns. 
 

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Finally, aren't many of the "academic camps involved in this debate" mostly scientists and doctors? Who else should we be listening to?

I think his point is less focus on theory put out by academics, more focus on proven data from the field. 

2 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Yes he was being sarcastic. I think he wants a statewide mask mandate, enforceable with real penalties.

 

Not necessarily.  Asian countries such as Japan and South Korea didn't enact nationwide lockdowns. 
 

I think his point is less focus on theory put out by academics, more focus on proven data from the field. 

They wore masks because they didn't have a moron telling them not to, and they had accepted it as part of the drill during H1N1 and other outbreaks. 

Oh, and they aren't morbidly obese as a nation. 

3 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Yes he was being sarcastic. I think he wants a statewide mask mandate, enforceable with real penalties.

 

Not necessarily.  Asian countries such as Japan and South Korea didn't enact nationwide lockdowns. 
 

I think his point is less focus on theory put out by academics, more focus on proven data from the field. 

Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate reading these posts!

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

They wore masks because they didn't have a moron telling them not to, and they had accepted it as part of the drill during H1N1 and other outbreaks. 

Oh, and they aren't morbidly obese as a nation. 

Culturally they have an advantage in this situation in that they obey and they have a strong level of group think.

On 11/18/2020 at 1:16 PM, EaglesRocker97 said:

These countries have deep-rooted cultural traditions of communalism and state control going back to ancient times.

  

15 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Culturally they have an advantage in this situation in that they obey and they have a strong level of group think.

 

15 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate reading these posts!

Glad you enjoy them! 

12 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Culturally they have an advantage in this situation in that they obey and they have a strong level of group think.

Meh...it's much more that they didn't have an imbecile telling them masks don't work, along with them being used to masks.

But the biggest thing -- they aren't morbidly obese. Maher keeps hitting this, and he is right.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Meh...it's much more that they didn't have an imbecile telling them masks don't work, along with them being used to masks.

But the biggest thing -- they aren't morbidly obese. Maher keeps hitting this, and he is right.

Leadership or the lack thereof is paramount, no doubt.  Culture plays a key part though as well.

Well the obese thing wouldn't make a difference for the spread but yeah.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Leadership or the lack thereof is paramount, no doubt.  Culture plays a key part though as well.

Well the obese thing wouldn't make a difference for the spread but yeah.

I'm not sure I agree with this, but I can't claim knowledge. Ever since I started getting serious about my health, I just don't get sick. I wonder if healthier people are more likely to be asymptomatic, meaning they never get tested and help keep the numbers down. The impact on deaths is clear, however.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I'm not sure I agree with this, but I can't claim knowledge. Ever since I started getting serious about my health, I just don't get sick. I wonder if healthier people are more likely to be asymptomatic, meaning they never get tested and help keep the numbers down. The impact on deaths is clear, however.

Yeah the impact on hospitals and deaths is very clear, agree.

18 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I'm not sure I agree with this, but I can't claim knowledge. Ever since I started getting serious about my health, I just don't get sick. I wonder if healthier people are more likely to be asymptomatic, meaning they never get tested and help keep the numbers down. The impact on deaths is clear, however.

If so, that would lead to more uncontrolled spread, being that asymptomatic transmission is a key reason why this pathogen is so insidious. Longer incubation period too, since that's technically pre-symptomatic spread . Said another way, people are less likely to wear a mask or socially distance themselves if they feel fine.

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

If so, that would lead to more uncontrolled spread, being that asymptomatic transmission is a key reason why this pathogen is so insidious. Longer incubation period too, since that's technically pre-symptomatic spread . Said another way, people are less likely to wear a mask or socially distance themselves if they feel fine.

maybe. but if the spreading is to people who are going to be asymptomatic then it may not show up readily in numbers.

37 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

maybe. but if the spreading is to people who are going to be asymptomatic then it may not show up readily in numbers.

True and that depends entirely on testing capacity and protocol. Countries like South Korea blew the doors off everyone else in this regard and were the first to heavily test their asymptomatic population. I'd say they're a fairly healthy population too, so we didn't see the amount of uncontrolled spread we see in other countries. Now that is most likely due to the fact that informing someone they're positive directly impacts their behavior, and thus, they'll be isolated.

And again, when it comes to proper guidance from leadership and mask compliance, few countries can compete. This was highlighted in the documentary Totally Under Control too. But even in countries that are relatively healthy, this virus would still find targets in the elderly. Uncontrolled spread due to a high proportion of healthy asymptomatic carriers would still ultimately be reflected in hospitalization / deaths among the elderly. 

I think cross reactive immunity is an overlooked factor for why we see such large variances in asymptomatic carriers.

 

16 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Take a couple edibles and hit the sack. 
 

And you want spicy, use the name Vikas for your delivery. They bring the heat for fellow brown people. 

I remember hearing a story about a guy on holiday in Vietnam and he was getting some dish and was trying to explain to them that he wanted it very hot. Eventually he got exasperated and said he wanted it "Thai hot”. 
 

Apparently this was an offensive thing to say to a Vietnamese cook because he got the spiciest food he’s ever had in his life and ended up doubled over in pain.

16 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

As a Canadian I can honestly say Tim Hortons is terrible.  They have the gall to use the slogan "Always Fresh” ..... it’s never fresh; it’s distributed by truck, frozen, all over the country.  30 years ago it was actually pretty good.

Crown Royal is another very overrated Canadian brand.  It tastes like engine fluid mixed with sugar.  Gibson’s Finest is much better whisky 

There’s this one gas station on US-11 in PA between Harrisburg and Sunbury that has Timmy’s and the coffee isn’t bad. Never had the donuts tho. 
 

I like a rye whiskey so I’ll look out for it once I get all this weight off. 

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

True and that depends entirely on testing capacity and protocol. Countries like South Korea blew the doors off everyone else in this regard and were the first to heavily test their asymptomatic population. I'd say they're a fairly healthy population too, so we didn't see the amount of uncontrolled spread we see in other countries. Now that is most likely due to the fact that informing someone they're positive directly impacts their behavior, and thus, they'll be isolated.

And again, when it comes to proper guidance from leadership and mask compliance, few countries can compete. This was highlighted in the documentary Totally Under Control too. But even in countries that are relatively healthy, this virus would still find targets in the elderly. Uncontrolled spread due to a high proportion of healthy asymptomatic carriers would still ultimately be reflected in hospitalization / deaths among the elderly. 

I think cross reactive immunity is an overlooked factor for why we see such large variances in asymptomatic carriers.

 

One of the reasons why SK did so well is that early on a pharmaceutical company there bet on the rona becoming a big thing and started cranking out test kits before it hit. 
 

Of course we had a buffoon in charge so we didn’t have that going on. 

The national guard is at one of our rehabilitation centers because the doctors and nurses are becoming completely overwhelmed. Meanwhile at work several employees keep complaining that masks don't work while they have it around their chin all day and said they need to just let us live.......