53 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

so, i thought trumpers said this virus would disappear on nov 4th if biden won. 

 

 

what happened ? 

Where have you been? They are blaming the vaccine coming out after the election was done to ruin trump's reelection and make trump look bad

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

I'm far from an immunology expert but I can't think of a physiological reason why it should affect a future pregnancy.  And as WGB pointed out we'll have a not-insignificant number of accidental case studies within the next year to get some data at least.  

You’re artificially forcing the body into an immune response.  It could potentially cause a problem with the mother - say a cancer or an immune system issue which could then have an effect on a fetus or a future babies health or even the ability to get pregnant.  Probably extremely unlikely but any negative impact on the future mother could indirectly impact a fetus or the ability to carry.  

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

My wife is going to be an early recipient and will be required to get it. Her concern was that if she wanted to have another kid at some point (but in reality we are both a bit too old for that). 

I don't think there's nearly as much concern for couples trying to conceive after a woman's been inoculated. Typically the concerns with expectant mothers are regarding any potential unforeseen in-utero effects.

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

People will die because of the the vaccine, the odds are just too good in a population of 380 million people. No different if we gave everyone aspirin or peanut butter, deaths gonna happen, but we can't stop the vaccination because of this 

Not sure I'd go as far as saying death directly attributed to the vaccine is a foregone conclusion. The mRNA types actually break down fairly quick, which is why it has to be kept at such cold temps, so it's likely they are even safer than viral vector or attenuated virus types which we've used before. But yeah some severe reactions are still likely. And like you said, it's a no brainer when the efficacy is this high. The consequences are absolutely dwarfed by the inevitable loss of life and long-term damage of not vaccinating everyone willing and able to get it.

1 hour ago, DiPros said:

Would be interested to also know since kids vaccines are spaced out over their childhood, what about that in regards to a covid19 vaccine,  and even adults who maybe due for other vaccines like tetanus, shingles?  Is it Ok to give these with the other flu and pneumonia vaccines too?

Should be no complicating factors with other vaccines as far as I understand. Probably best to space them out by at least a week or so, with something like the shingles vaccine though since some adverse reactions aren't uncommon with that one.

31 minutes ago, DBW said:

You’re artificially forcing the body into an immune response.  It could potentially cause a problem with the mother - say a cancer or an immune system issue which could then have an effect on a fetus or a future babies health or even the ability to get pregnant.  Probably extremely unlikely but any negative impact on the future mother could indirectly impact a fetus or the ability to carry.  

Sure but that's how all vaccines work, and diffuse immune reactions should be seen in non pregnant test subjects in the preliminary studies. I guess theoretically that's a concern but seems unlikely. 

 

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

Sure but that's how all vaccines work, and diffuse immune reactions should be seen in non pregnant test subjects in the preliminary studies. I guess theoretically that's a concern but seems unlikely. 

Yeah I think it’s highly unlikely, but then again do we really know what’s in these vaccines?  Im not an anti-vaxxer but there’s going to be questions and those groups will be highly opposed to it without a full ingredients list.  The people that don’t give their kids benedryl because it has red #40 dye or whatever.  You know, the "Whole Foods Moms” as I call them.  😆  

that said, I’m not getting in line and not signing my kids up for it until we see what the real side effects are and have some large scale data. 

1 minute ago, DBW said:

Yeah I think it’s highly unlikely, but then again do we really know what’s in these vaccines?  Im not an anti-vaxxer but there’s going to be questions and those groups will be highly opposed to it without a full ingredients list.  The people that don’t give their kids benedryl because it has red #40 dye or whatever.  You know, the "Whole Foods Moms” as I call them.  😆  

that said, I’m not getting in line and not signing my kids up for it until we see what the real side effects are and have some large scale data. 

You'll probably know about the side effects long before it's available to the general public anyway - it'll go to the healthcare workers first, right? 

45 minutes ago, DBW said:

Yeah I think it’s highly unlikely, but then again do we really know what’s in these vaccines?  Im not an anti-vaxxer but there’s going to be questions and those groups will be highly opposed to it without a full ingredients list.  The people that don’t give their kids benedryl because it has red #40 dye or whatever.  You know, the "Whole Foods Moms” as I call them.  😆  

that said, I’m not getting in line and not signing my kids up for it until we see what the real side effects are and have some large scale data. 

Yes

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Should be no complicating factors with other vaccines as far as I understand. Probably best to space them out by at least a week or so, with something like the shingles vaccine though since some adverse reactions aren't uncommon with that one.

It was recommended to me to get the Shingles vaccine.  It's 2 shots.  It is of course, a recommendation and not an order to do it.  Like the flu shot, I can just ask for this at the pharmacy.

I'm not doing it right now as I am done with claims and appointments for this year and I just don't want to deal with another thing until next year..  However, by doing this, when 2021 comes the list of "medical" things to do is growing, and when this covid19 vaccine comes out, that will be just one more thing.  Already have 3 to dos in Jan which better not result in more meds, or tests.  I'll decide after that.

1 hour ago, DBW said:

Yeah I think it’s highly unlikely, but then again do we really know what’s in these vaccines?  Im not an anti-vaxxer but there’s going to be questions and those groups will be highly opposed to it without a full ingredients list.  The people that don’t give their kids benedryl because it has red #40 dye or whatever.  You know, the "Whole Foods Moms” as I call them.  😆  

that said, I’m not getting in line and not signing my kids up for it until we see what the real side effects are and have some large scale data. 

Yes we do. 

1 hour ago, mikemack8 said:

You'll probably know about the side effects long before it's available to the general public anyway - it'll go to the healthcare workers first, right? 

And the elderly.  Me and meemaw are gonna be the guinea pigs.  I'll let y'all know if I get more autistic. 

1 hour ago, mikemack8 said:

You'll probably know about the side effects long before it's available to the general public anyway - it'll go to the healthcare workers first, right? 

True - plenty of time to wait and see 

I am not a big fan of forcing vaccines on people but in this case every employer should say get the vaccine or no work for you

3 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

I am not a big fan of forcing vaccines on people but in this case every employer should say get the vaccine or no work for you

So they can read my mind? Maybe for you, sheep!

5 hours ago, Kz! said:

 

I like The Onion better.

Leaked map

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Leaked map

Charlotte looking great!  

3 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

I am not a big fan of forcing vaccines on people but in this case every employer should say get the vaccine or no work for you

That won't happen, that would violate some laws I think. They can't even make you get a test if you have symptoms.

The work around my company does is you can't come back without a doctor's note, so if the doctor says you have to get the test to get a doctor's note you are getting a test no matter what. 

So maybe they can do something like that to get people to take the vaccine. The antivaxxers will put up a hell of a fight though

 

16 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

 

Don't they see what's working in France, Belgium, Italy, and other European countries?

1 hour ago, xzmattzx said:

Don't they see what's working in France, Belgium, Italy, and other European countries?

I guess that's why it's called an experiment.

3 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

That won't happen, that would violate some laws I think. They can't even make you get a test if you have symptoms.

The work around my company does is you can't come back without a doctor's note, so if the doctor says you have to get the test to get a doctor's note you are getting a test no matter what. 

So maybe they can do something like that to get people to take the vaccine. The antivaxxers will put up a hell of a fight though

There is no way a year from now or even 8 months from now will there be vaccine around and the virus still spreading because a bunch of people won't take the vaccine, it will be forced upon those people somehow. I am so sure I would put this is the category of guarantees like my NFl season one 

3 hours ago, xzmattzx said:

Don't they see what's working in France, Belgium, Italy, and other European countries?

Are you joking? Sweden is FAR FAR better than those places and others like Spain and the UK.  Not even close.

I've seen a few articles like that one.  They jump on the fact that the Swedish govt has been more vocal now to push people to observe the measures.  What the articles don't do is offer any of the statistical facts.  The bottom line is the 2nd wave is half the size of the 1st one.  The govt expected it to be an even smaller 2nd wave than what we've actually seen.  So the govt has been very aggressive to push in the media for people to be diligent.

The one key argument for "failure" is the comparison of the rates of death to the other Nordic countries.  That is absolutely a relevant stat though Sweden is quite different from those other places so far from perfect.