3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Would you look at that. Just look at it.

Pelosi could use the Govt spending bill as leverage but she won't because she is terrible too

1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

All they care about is money

I said this in ATNFL.... they are just trying to ram through the season, quality of product be damned.  

1 minute ago, paco said:

I said this in ATNFL.... they are just trying to ram through the season, quality of product be damned.  

So we can all just agree this season doesn't count right? 

51 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

A restaurant in the area built little geodesic domes on their patio to surround tables in their own little pods. They called them igloos and decorated them for the holidays. F'ing brilliant idea. 

That's next level.  Cool idea.  A bit tricky with them being enclosed and wait staff having to enter/exit but at least you're separating families and can sanitize TF out of the place between groups.  Not perfect but better, which I guess is all we can hope for at this point.

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

So we can all just agree this season doesn't count right? 

Depends on the draft pick we end up with

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

So we can all just agree this season doesn't count right? 

Sorry Eagles really do suck, it is not a dream

Just now, DEagle7 said:

That's next level.  Cool idea.  A bit tricky with them being enclosed and wait staff having to enter/exit but at least you're separating families.  Not perfect but certainly better, which I guess is all we can hope for at this point,

So you have an unventilated dome with a family in close quarters not wearing masks..... does that put the staff entering\exiting the dome at risk?

10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

A restaurant in the area built little geodesic domes on their patio to surround tables in their own little pods. They called them igloos and decorated them for the holidays. F'ing brilliant idea. 

 

a restaurant near me did the same thing...although they look more like pods than igloos...the wife & i have reservations for a couple weeks from now but we're not sure if we're gonna go. 

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

 

a restaurant near me did the same thing...although they look more like pods than igloos...the wife & i have reservations for a couple weeks from now but we're not sure if we're gonna go. 

Have fun dying from da vid with that reckless behavior.

Just now, rambo said:

Have fun dying from da vid with that reckless behavior.

yeah...we'll probably cancel.

even though we paid $26.50 to reserve one & it's non refundable.  

 

11 minutes ago, paco said:

So you have an unventilated dome with a family in close quarters not wearing masks..... does that put the staff entering\exiting the dome at risk?

Absolutely.  Also a risk for the next family if they don't properly ventilate/sanitize it between groups.  So it seems a bit less risky than standard indoor dining for customers, but about the same risk for wait staff.  IMO it's a cool idea and "better" than just a full opening in some ways, but should still be considered "indoor dining" if regulations hit.

21 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

OOF that's a rough one. Just looked at the case numbers in California and like everywhere it's not looking good, but that could be a death knell for a lot of restaurants.  Is it an indefinite ban?  We're doing a "2 week pause" cause the hospitals are at capacity, but we'll see what happens at the end of those 2 weeks.  My wife's hospital ran out of remdesivir entirely.  

Through 12/20 I think. The issue is moron politicians don't have a clue about businesses. Every restaurant now needs to throw away a ton of food/inventory, and then spend working capital to re-stock when they can re-open. You can't yo-yo guys like this. 

I'm a staunch Libertarian, but this is like the ONE TIME that government needs to step in and help these businesses. This is the non-recurring, once in a century event that government is supposed to solve. And they have failed miserably, at all levels.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Through 12/20 I think. The issue is moron politicians don't have a clue about businesses. Every restaurant now needs to throw away a ton of food/inventory, and then spend working capital to re-stock when they can re-open. You can't yo-yo guys like this. 

I'm a staunch Libertarian, but this is like the ONE TIME that government needs to step in and help these businesses. This is the non-recurring, once in a century event that government is supposed to solve. And they have failed miserably, at all levels.

Fully agree and both accounts. It's not as if we didn't have early warning signs this time around.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Through 12/20 I think. The issue is moron politicians don't have a clue about businesses. Every restaurant now needs to throw away a ton of food/inventory, and then spend working capital to re-stock when they can re-open. You can't yo-yo guys like this. 

I'm a staunch Libertarian, but this is like the ONE TIME that government needs to step in and help these businesses. This is the non-recurring, once in a century event that government is supposed to solve. And they have failed miserably, at all levels.

Probably but guaranteed that the "news" networks will now try to scare people every few weeks into thinking a new pandemic could be possible very soon because someone coughed in China

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

Fully agree and both accounts. It's not as if we didn't have early warning signs this time around.

Had they done this right back in March, we could be in such a better place now. It wasn't that hard -- shut down everything, but basically pay the bills for everyone. Pay wages to help employees, pay rents so landlords don't default, etc. Basically, the government steps in and pays the bills for 8 weeks. Then, let people back out but mandate masks where legally possible at the local level. Make loan forgiveness for businesses contingent upon enforcing mask mandates and capacity restrictions. 

Instead, we got limited help for payroll and nothing for fixed costs. Then we had an administration led by an imbecile actively discouraging responsible behavior like masks and social distancing. And then we topped it off with the Treasury Secretary sabotaging the Main Street Lending Program so basically no loans were made. Everything they did was basically wrong.

19 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

That's next level.  Cool idea.  A bit tricky with them being enclosed and wait staff having to enter/exit but at least you're separating families and can sanitize TF out of the place between groups.  Not perfect but certainly better, which I guess is all we can hope for at this point.

Good point. I was thinking of it strictly in terms of a customer's perspective. Wait staff would definitely be at risk, maybe even more so than typical indoor dining.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Good point. I was thinking of it strictly in terms of a customer's perspective. Wait staff would definitely be at risk, maybe even more so than typical indoor dining.

Yeah seems like at best it's a lateral move.  Maybe limits their exposure to a smaller number of families total in a night if they're strictly assigned to 1 or 2 pods?  But yeah in general it still seems closer to indoor dining than outdoor. 

5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Yeah seems like at best it's a lateral move.  Maybe limits their exposure to a smaller number of families total in a night if they're strictly assigned to 1 or 2 pods?  But yeah in general it still seems closer to indoor dining than outdoor. 

From the restaurant's perspective, it's great marketing and I believe it skirts the current restrictions for indoor dining as it gets classified as outdoors I guess (seems sketchy for the reasons you mentioned.)

In any case, if it's bringing in customers to keep the business afloat, and not contributing to community spread as much, it's a decent option from a public health policy standpoint. I see it akin to having a field hospital with a bunch of beds in an open area like in an empty school's gymnasium vs setting up setting up beds in their own rooms like in classrooms. Still a risk from the staff's perspective to treat the patients, but at least the risk to the patients from other patients is far lower.

 

those igloos/pods are just restaurants trying to find a loophole to stay in business. some bus-boy isn't going to clean them properly in between customers...no f'ing way. 

43 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

yeah...we'll probably cancel.

even though we paid $26.50 to reserve one & it's non refundable.  

 

Just stay inside.  We'll let you know when it's time to come out again.

15 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

those igloos/pods are just restaurants trying to find a loophole to stay in business. some bus-boy isn't going to clean them properly in between customers...no f'ing way. 

Absolutely. As for cleaning, I'd say ventilation after a party leaves is more critical than trying to limit surface contamination based on what we know so far. That being said, we're not booking a table at this place anytime soon. With two young kids in school, we're taking enough risks as it is. No need to pile on any more when take out is easier for us to deal with anyways.

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

Agreed but there are some better answers, like mask mandates and gathering limitations and not walking away from a second badly needed stimulus bill as we're about to hit winter time and cases are spiking.  We were never going to save every business, but we didn't need to lose as many as we're going to.  

yup. the virus isn't the government's fault, but the lack of cooperation across the aisle on this topic has really screwed the American people. 

 

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

LA banned outdoor dining. Restaurants are livid.

yeah that's pretty stupid. 

 

1 hour ago, SNOORDA said:

Yeah. Im my friends case, all his emoloyees are high end chefs and whatnot.  And he has a bunch if them just waiting to go to work.  

there are a few high-end places in my area that are doing the same. I've spoken with one of the waiters who works (worked?) at Marsha Brown's in New Hope, they're REALLY upset at the owners for not opening at all yet. they're not even TRYING to operate under the current rules. 

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

A restaurant in the area built little geodesic domes on their patio to surround tables in their own little pods. They called them igloos and decorated them for the holidays. F'ing brilliant idea. 

that's pretty awesome. though it requires a lot of space, which is much more of a problem in dense towns and restaurant districts of cities.

Chester County @ 12,262 cases.  Seems like we just cracked the 10K last week or so.

Senior project manager is out w/covid.  His kids also positive, but not his wife.  Hope I don't see him for awhile.

Daughter's district school board voted last night to begin hybrid Dec 7.  They won't wait until Jan.

We are suppose to go to Cape May between XMas and New Years.  I also saw winter igloos for rent down at Congress Hall.  At this rate, my activities there will be grocery and liquor store, walking around town, and ordering take out.  I'll be at the house the rest of time.  A remodel from 1865 or so.