10 hours ago, Gannan said:

Do what you want. I work from home and intend to keep doing so. I’m thinking a lot of trumpbots might be too sick to vote this fall. That would be a shame.

Good to hear your safely tucked away.

Stop putting your wishful thinking out in the public realm like that. 😂

1 minute ago, mayanh8 said:

Yet another clinical hydroxychloroquine trial completed and it's showing no effects on patients other than increased rates of cardiac arrest.

Are we just going to pretend that less than a month ago Trump wasn't screaming for people to take hydroxychloroquine?

Yup.  He didn't mean it like you think he meant it.  And if he did so what?  Oh and Obama.

15 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Yet another clinical hydroxychloroquine trial completed and it's showing no effects on patients other than increased rates of cardiac arrest.

Are we just going to pretend that less than a month ago Trump, Gooliani, and the entirety of Fox News weren't screaming for people to take hydroxychloroquine?

 

13 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Yup.  He didn't mean it like you think he meant it.  And if he did so what?  Oh and Obama.

Wait, I saw someone post a picture of a statement on Facebook that said that hydrochoroquine works in 95% of cases and is way cheaper than the drug that Faucci and Gates own the patent for... are you saying that’s not true?  Sounds like fake news to me. 

Here's the journal article about easing up on the respirators:

 

https://www.ajtmh.org/content/journals/10.4269/ajtmh.20-0283

2 minutes ago, Smokesdawg said:

 

Wait, I saw someone post a picture of a statement on Facebook that said that hydrochoroquine works in 95% of cases and is way cheaper than the drug that Faucci and Gates own the patent for... are you saying that’s not true?  Sounds like fake news to me. 

Faucci having any patent on a drug that can cure an infectious disease just seems shady.  No?

4 minutes ago, xzmattzx said:

Here's the journal article about easing up on the respirators:

 

https://www.ajtmh.org/content/journals/10.4269/ajtmh.20-0283

One of the things that lady scientist discrediting fauci was saying about the treatment if im not mistaken.  

1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said:

Delayed has value.  Lots of value.  You saw the clusterF of the entire world trying to get the equipment all at the same time.  Imagine that under multiple cities going up like NY.  The second wave will be less deadly because we are already stockpiled and learning more about it each day.  But it will still spread like wildfire.

Florida, for example, is a highly population dense state that never approached NY infections or overwhelming healthcare despite later precautions. NY is just really incomparable based on their setup.

I agree, delay had value and I believe the initial lockdown period was good. But all of those infections that the curve was based are still going to happen. Seems we are in good position to open up.

Georgia, despite opening weeks back, has had their lowest hospitalizations in a month which is great news.

8 hours ago, L.E said:

Comes with the gig, apparently.

People should just tweet this to him en mass every day.  He wouldn't be able to block ALL of them.  

He's handled this like ish since it was established this wasn't like the other potential pandemics that never affected us, but to be fair, this has been an overall institutional failure by every gov't agency on all levels of gov't (federal, state, local) by BOTH parties (a shame we can only point to two in the so-called Land Of The Free And Home Of The Brave as it's only 1 more than the communists get).  It just shows how utterly unprepared we were for something of this magnitude.  Every incumbent should be voted out of office after this and the country needs less big businessmen and lawyers in office and more scientists, teachers, small business owners, etc. to balance the equation.  That said, I would just like to see people shove this in his orange face and maybe his egomaniacal, narcissistic, misogynistic game show host face will finally STFU.  He's a distraction.  The smoke and mirrors, dog and pony show to get you looking one way while the real people behind the scenes do their bidding in your blind spot.  I still want him to STFU, though.  Unkin clown. 

 

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/05/dave-grohl-irreplaceable-thrill-rock-show/611113/

The Day the Live Concert Returns

I don’t know when it will be safe to sing arm in arm at the top of our lungs. But we will do it again, because we have to.
 

• Story by  Dave Grohl

Where were you planning to beon the Fourth of July this year? Backyard barbecue with your crankiest relatives, fighting over who gets to light the illegal fireworks that your derelict cousin smuggled in from South Carolina? Or maybe out on the Chesapeake Bay, arguing about the amount of mayonnaise in the crab cakes while drinking warm National Bohemian beer? Better yet, tubing down the Shenandoah with a soggy hot dog while blasting Grand Funk Railroad’s "We’re an American Band”?

I know exactly where I was supposed to be: FedExField, outside Washington, D.C., with my band Foo Fighters and roughly 80,000 of our closest friends. We were going to be celebrating the 25th anniversary of our debut album. A red, white, and blue keg party for the ages, it was primed to be an explosive affair shared by throngs of my sunburned hometown brothers and sisters, singing along to more than a quarter century of Foo.

Well, things have changed.

Unfortunately, the coronavirus pandemic has reduced today’s live music to unflattering little windows that look like doorbell security footage and sound like Neil Armstrong’s distorted transmissions from the moon, so stuttered and compressed. It’s enough to make Max Headroom seem lifelike. Don’t get me wrong, I can deal with the monotony and limited cuisine of quarantine (my lasagna game is on point!), and I know that those of us who don’t have to work in hospitals or deliver packages are the lucky ones, but still, I’m hungry for a big old plate of sweaty, ear-shredding, live rock and roll, ASAP. The kind that makes your heart race, your body move, and your soul stir with passion.  

There is nothing like the energy and atmosphere of live music. It is the most life-affirming experience, to see your favorite performer onstage, in the flesh, rather than as a one-dimensional image glowing in your lap as you spiral down a midnight YouTube wormhole. Even our most beloved superheroes become human in person. Imagine being at Wembley Stadium in 1985 as Freddie Mercury walked onstage for the Live Aid benefit concert. Forever regarded as one of the most triumphant live performances of all time (clocking in at a mere 22 minutes) Freddie and Queen somehow managed to remind us that behind every rock god is someone who puts on their studded arm bracelet, absurdly tight white tank, and stonewashed jeans one pant leg at a time just like the rest of us. But, it wasn’t necessarily Queen’s musical magic that made history that day. It was Freddie's connection with the audience that transformed that dilapidated soccer stadium into a sonic cathedral. In broad daylight, he majestically made 72,000 people his instrument, joining them in harmonious unison.
 

As a lifelong concertgoer, I know this feeling well. I myself have been pressed against the cold front rail of an arena rock show. I have air-drummed along to my favorite songs in the rafters, and been crushed in the crowd, dancing to dangerous decibel levels while lost in the rhythm. I’ve been lifted and carried to the stage by total strangers for a glorious swan dive back into their sweaty embrace. Arm in arm, I have sung at the top of my lungs with people I may never see again. All to celebrate and share the tangible, communal power of music.  
 

When you take away the pyrotechnics and confetti of an arena rock concert, what are you left with? Just … people? I will never forget the night I witnessed U2 perform at what used to be called the MCI Center in D.C. This was their 2001 Elevation Tour, a massive production. I waited for the lights to go out so that I could lose myself in a magnificent, state-of-the-art rock show. To my surprise, the band walked onstage without any introduction, house lights fully illuminated, and kicked into the first song beneath their harsh, fluorescent glow, without the usual barrage of lasers and LED screens we’ve all become accustomed to. The brilliant move stunned the audience and began an unforgettable concert on a very raw, personal note. This was no accident, mind you. It was a lesson in intimacy. Without all the strobes and lasers, the room shrank to the size of a dirty nightclub at last call, every blemish in plain view. And with that simple gesture, we were reminded that we are all indeed just people. People that need to connect with one another.

One night, before a Foo Fighters show in Vancouver, my tour manager alerted me that the "Boss” himself, Bruce Springsteen, was in attendance (cue paralyzing nerves). Frozen with fear, I wondered how I could possibly perform in front of this legendary showman, famous for his epic concerts that span four hours. I surely could never live up to his lofty expectations! It turns out he was there to see the opening band (cue devastating humiliation), so I was off the hook. But we chatted briefly before the gig, and I was again reminded of not only the human being behind every superhero, but also the reason millions of people identify with him: He is real. Three hours later, as I sat on a locker-room bench recovering from the show, drenched in my own sweat, there was a knock at the door. Bruce wanted to say hello. Having actually stayed for our set (cue jaw crashing to the floor), he very generously thanked us and commented on our performance, specifically the rapport we seem to have with our audience. Something he obviously understood very well. When asked where he watched the show from, he said that he’d stood in the crowd, just like everyone else. Of course he did. He was searching for that connection too.

A few days later, I received a letter from Bruce, handwritten on hotel stationery, that explained this very clearly. "When you look out at the audience,” he wrote, "you should see yourself in them, just as they should see themselves in you.”
 

Not to brag, but I think I’ve had the best seat in the house for 25 years. Because I dosee you. I see you pressed against the cold front rails. I see you air-drumming along to your favorite songs in the distant rafters. I see you lifted above the crowd and carried to the stage for a glorious swan dive back into its sweaty embrace. I see your homemade signs and your vintage T-shirts. I hear your laughter and your screams and I see your tears. I have seen you yawn (yeah, you), and I’ve watched you pass out drunk in your seat. I've seen you in hurricane-force winds, in 100-degree heat, in subzero temperatures. I have even seen some of you grow older and become parents, now with your children's Day-Glo protective headphones bouncing on your shoulders. And each night when I tell our lighting engineer to "Light ’em up!,” I do so because I need that room to shrink, and to join with you as one under the harsh, fluorescent glow.

In today’s world of fear and unease and social distancing, it's hard to imagine sharing experiences like these ever again. I don’t know when it will be safe to return to singing arm in arm at the top of our lungs, hearts racing, bodies moving, souls bursting with life. But I do know that we will do it again, because we have to. It’s not a choice. We’re human. We need moments that reassure us that we are not alone. That we are understood. That we are imperfect. And, most important, that we need each other. I have shared my music, my words, my life with the people who come to our shows. And they have shared their voices with me. Without that audience—that screaming, sweating audience—my songs would only be sound. But together, we are instruments in a sonic cathedral, one that we build together night after night. And one that we will surely build again.

 

1 hour ago, xzmattzx said:

Here's the journal article about easing up on the respirators:

 

https://www.ajtmh.org/content/journals/10.4269/ajtmh.20-0283

1 hour ago, SNOORDA said:

One of the things that lady scientist discrediting fauci was saying about the treatment if im not mistaken.  

To clarify once again, articles like this and concerns about going to respirators too quickly are not because they don't think respirators are warranted or needed in severe cases.  It's because if you put someone on a respirator with COVID they are likely to require it for extended periods of time and that means prolonged use in of a respirator, ICU bed, and ICU staff and emphasizing the need to exhaust any other option first to preserve those resources right now.  This article is specifically geared towards respiratory/ventilator support tactics in (to quote the article directly) "resource-limited settings".  It's a respiratory-support protocol survival guide if your hospital is running out of resources.  

The "lady scientist" is still a monumental hack.

4 hours ago, Gannan said:

Wait Cuomo didn’t say people should entertain themselves with cleaning products did he?

Nope. Don’t know of anyone who said that at all actually. 

 

23 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

 

In certain areas...maybe. In quite a lot of others, no. 

26 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

 

What can the US Senate do about executive orders signed by governors?

8 minutes ago, xzmattzx said:

What can the US Senate do about executive orders signed by governors?

Congress can pass laws, but it’s often a very slow system, and anything they passed would be vetoed by Trump anyway.

if you’re asking if I think that Congress and the President could overrule the states, the answer is yes.  That was settled in 1865.

4 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

 

Isn't this the guy who warned us 2 million Americans were going to die?

 

13 hours ago, Ride the Walrus said:

President ❄

 

the cowardly pig ran away   

4 hours ago, Perforator said:

Isn't this the guy who warned us 2 million Americans were going to die?

 

100k-200k, but what's an extra zero, right ?

10 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

To clarify once again, articles like this and concerns about going to respirators too quickly are not because they don't think respirators are warranted or needed in severe cases.  It's because if you put someone on a respirator with COVID they are likely to require it for extended periods of time and that means prolonged use in of a respirator, ICU bed, and ICU staff and emphasizing the need to exhaust any other option first to preserve those resources right now.  This article is specifically geared towards respiratory/ventilator support tactics in (to quote the article directly) "resource-limited settings".  It's a respiratory-support protocol survival guide if your hospital is running out of resources.  

The "lady scientist" is still a monumental hack.

Got it.  
 

Im just not completely committed to counting out some of her claims.  She just seems very "in the know”.  
 

if she is doing this just to sell books then shame on her. But i find that hard to believe.  
 

and when you look at the people running the gov health orgs they are all shady as f too. 

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

the cowardly pig ran away   

He should have said, " because you specifically asked the question”. 
 

fail

16 hours ago, Kz! said:

LMAO, it came to NY from Europe via China, but that's beside the point. The point is these people spent months breathlessly explaining how racist it is to use the virus's country of origin as a name. Now clownshoes calls it the "Europe Virus?" LMAO so stupid. 

What was stupid was Trump trying to use a short MAGA style slogan to steer eyes away from his own obvious mismanagement. All but the stupidest of Trumpbots saw right thru it AND no, no one was giving Gina a free pass. 

Wuhan to Test Whole City of 11 Million as New Cases Emerge

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-11/china-s-wuhan-sees-first-new-virus-cases-since-lockdown-lifted

I feel pretty certain not everyone in the US will get a test.  These testing arguments are beginning to drive me a little nuts.  Health care and other essential workers, yes. Test often. 

From the Wuhan article just posted:

Six locally transmitted cases, reported on May 10 and 11, were found in people already under quarantine classed as being asymptomatic before testing positive, according to the local government. All six cases emerged from a single residential compound in Wuhan and were the first new infections found in the city since its lockdown was lifted on April 8.

In the US it will be impossible to test people in quarantine, no?  How did it get into a residence if they are in quarantine?  We will be dealing with this until a vaccine becomes available to all.

10 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

 

Easy to say we should stay closed when he isn't struggling to pay bills and his job is secure. Opening up doesn't mean forgoing all of the other safety precautions, what is happening right now is how if should be. Have a cap on % of capacity they can have in the restaurants, still have to maintain 6 ft per group, still wear masks etc etc. 

Most of the country will survive even if they do get it, the immun suppressed and elderly can continue the strict quarantine and everyone else can slowly start working again. We can't stay closed forever. No matter how long you keep people inside there will still be a massive spike in cases when everything opens up, all they're going to be doing is kicking the can down the road.

3 minutes ago, devpool said:

Easy to say we should stay closed when he isn't struggling to pay bills and his job is secure. Opening up doesn't mean forgoing all of the other safety precautions, what is happening right now is how if should be. Have a cap on % of capacity they can have in the restaurants, still have to maintain 6 ft per group, still wear masks etc etc. 

Most of the country will survive even if they do get it, the immun suppressed and elderly can continue the strict quarantine and everyone else can slowly start working again. We can't stay closed forever. No matter how long you keep people inside there will still be a massive spike in cases when everything opens up, all they're going to be doing is kicking the can down the road.

No one is suggesting staying closed forever. What everyone seemed to agree on was to wait for the cases to start dropping before trying to reopen. We might be at that point now had people not freaked out and insisted on mass gatherings.