March 24, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Kz! said: No, you reduced a sample size of 30 to 4 because it makes your argument stronger. Like, the literal definition of cherry picking stats. More the definition of controlling for extrinsic factors. Comparing Sweden to Norway makes a lot more sense than comparing Sweden to Italy for numerous reasons.
March 24, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: More the definition of controlling for extrinsic factors. Comparing Sweden to Norway makes a lot more sense than comparing Sweden to Italy for numerous reasons. Kz is impossible to reason with. She is the biggest troll on EMB. Best to simply ignore.
March 24, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, mr_hunt said: kkkz is breaking newzzz left & right today. first the fbi destroying hunter biden's laptop & now this. I think the biggest news to come out of the Hunter Biden thread is if you have any damaged electronics, you should hide them or face the wrath of Kelsey Grammer's excrement.
March 24, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, barho said: Kz is impossible to reason with. She is the biggest troll on EMB. Best to simply ignore. Meh I know what I'm getting into. Sometimes it's fun to engage. Same instinct when I respond to EagleVA in the flat earth thread. I don't expect anything to come of it.
March 24, 20214 yr 3 people from Hawaii tested positive for covid after full vaccination 89 people in Minnesota test positive after full vaccination my brother in law positive after vaccination why are we doing this again?
March 24, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, DBW said: 3 people from Hawaii tested positive for covid after full vaccination 89 people in Minnesota test positive after full vaccination my brother in law positive after vaccination why are we doing this again? I would bet they went out and thought they were invincible minutes after getting the 2nd shot. Pfizer and BioNTech’s vaccine offers immunity at least seven days after the second dose, and Moderna's vaccine offers immunity at least 14 days after the second dose. Johnson & Johnson's vaccine offers immunity at least 28 days after a single dose.
March 24, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: I would bet they went out and thought they were invincible minutes after getting the 2nd shot. Pfizer and BioNTech’s vaccine offers immunity at least seven days after the second dose, and Moderna's vaccine offers immunity at least 14 days after the second dose. Johnson & Johnson's vaccine offers immunity at least 28 days after a single dose. Well the 3 from Hawaii were nurses I believe and were here for work. I doubt they were in Miami on spring break. i keep hearing more and more reports of positive cases after full vaccination like a month later. It raises some questions in just how effective they are. Maybe 95% was a stretch.
March 24, 20214 yr 44 minutes ago, DBW said: Well the 3 from Hawaii were nurses I believe and were here for work. I doubt they were in Miami on spring break. i keep hearing more and more reports of positive cases after full vaccination like a month later. It raises some questions in just how effective they are. Maybe 95% was a stretch. 5 percent of 10s of millions of people is still a lot of people. The way news and media works nowadays you are going to hear about every one of them.
March 24, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, DBW said: 3 people from Hawaii tested positive for covid after full vaccination 89 people in Minnesota test positive after full vaccination my brother in law positive after vaccination why are we doing this again? Because even if you did get infected, vaccines still help to lessen the severity of disease, but setting that aside... You're seriously asking why we're doing something even if it's not 100% effective in preventing infection? If I said you could go to the casino and win money by using a betting strategy that works 95% of the time, are you gonna question the use of that strategy in the same way? Planes crash less than 0.01% of the time, would you question why you'd fly to Europe rather than crossing the Atlantic by boat? Why wear seatbelts? Or use condoms? Or wash your hands? Cook your food? Just bite right into that raw piece of chicken since cooking it is only 99.99% effective.
March 24, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Because even if you did get infected, vaccines still help to lessen the severity of disease, but setting that aside... You're seriously asking why we're doing something even if it's not 100% effective in preventing infection? If I said you could go to the casino and win money by using a betting strategy that works 95% of the time, are you gonna question the use of that strategy in the same way? Planes crash less than 0.01% of the time, would you question why you'd fly to Europe rather than crossing the Atlantic by boat? Why wear seatbelts? Or use condoms? Or wash your hands? Cook your food? Just bite right into that raw piece of chicken since cooking it is only 99.99% effective. I’m being 97% sarcastic and 3% annoyed because we’re still in this mess. Chalk it up to spending my second consecutive birthday and my daughters second consecutive birthday in this mess. Just annoyed...and venting
March 24, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, DBW said: I’m being 97% sarcastic and 3% annoyed because we’re still in this mess. Chalk it up to spending my second consecutive birthday and my daughters second consecutive birthday in this mess. Just annoyed...and venting Ah, my bad. Hard to tell sometimes. I hear you on the ruined birthday issue, same thing with my youngest.
March 24, 20214 yr 57 minutes ago, DBW said: 3 people from Hawaii tested positive for covid after full vaccination 89 people in Minnesota test positive after full vaccination my brother in law positive after vaccination why are we doing this again? Because it lowers the chances of death down to about 1% for the 5% that catch it?
March 25, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Ah, my bad. Hard to tell sometimes. I hear you on the ruined birthday issue, same thing with my youngest. My 40 day trip to Europe for my 50th was cancelled summer. Not going this summer either. Maybe 2022.
March 25, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Eaglesfandan said: My 40 day trip to Europe for my 50th was cancelled summer. Not going this summer either. Maybe 2022. Aren't you the guy from that famous picture punching those two guys in the face in the 700 level?
March 25, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, xzmattzx said: Aren't you the guy from that famous picture punching those two guys in the face in the 700 level? Oh HEYAL no. I know his name too and I can't remember it right at the moment.
March 25, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, DBW said: I’m being 97% sarcastic and 3% annoyed because we’re still in this mess. Chalk it up to spending my second consecutive birthday and my daughters second consecutive birthday in this mess. Just annoyed...and venting Accept the rest of your life we will be in this mess 6 hours ago, DBW said: 3 people from Hawaii tested positive for covid after full vaccination 89 people in Minnesota test positive after full vaccination my brother in law positive after vaccination why are we doing this again? I give it less than a month before we hear of people being fully vaccinated yet hospitalized
March 25, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Accept the rest of your life we will be in this mess Until Wuhan gives us the antidote..............
March 25, 20214 yr 14 hours ago, Toastrel said: However, Sweden did much worse than its Nordic neighbours, with Denmark registering just 1.5% excess mortality and Finland 1.0%. Norway had no excess mortality at all in 2020. This is why people cherry pick stats. Sweden is failing vs COVID. They failed so bad, their neighbors closed their borders to them Just so we try to be apples to apples here, let me add that other countries are Swedish neighbors as well including Germany and Poland who are right nearby. Also, there are rather significant differences between Sweden and the other Nordic countries particularly in the demographics. Anyway, all the information is useful and there are lots of studies as to the differences completed and in progress comparing Norway and Sweden. Things like demographics, previous flu seasons, larger metro areas in Sweden, etc. are useful in explaining non-COVID response contributors to Sweden's rate as compared to Norway. The two key COVID response contributors identified to date are the speed at which restrictive measures were introduced and the measures specifically taken to protect the nursing homes. A key point (Norway vs. Sweden) - Overall, these countries have had a nearly identical index in terms of overall response and restrictions. However, in both the 1st and 2nd waves Norway was 2-4 weeks quicker to implement actions. So rather than harp on the level of restrictions themselves the evidence to date suggests the slowness of Sweden to act as a/the prime contributor. Note: Of course the other natural factors aren't really understood yet. But yeah, just wear a mask. Toaster - A good example of how angled you can be is your point about borders above. Did you know that Sweden also closed its borders to Norway and Denmark? I'm not sure if you can do better to be honest but you might consider trying.
March 25, 20214 yr 13 hours ago, DEagle7 said: More the definition of controlling for extrinsic factors. Comparing Sweden to Norway makes a lot more sense than comparing Sweden to Italy for numerous reasons. Yes for the most part. That doesn't mean Norway and Sweden are just a straight compare. There are major differences in these two. I totally get that 99% of the people in the US look at these two like they are NH and Vermont or something but they are actually quite different in some key points. In any case, it is child's play to just throw out some statistics that support pretty much whatever. Twain was right.
March 25, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said: Just so we try to be apples to apples here, let me add that other countries are Swedish neighbors as well including Germany and Poland who are right nearby. Also, there are rather significant differences between Sweden and the other Nordic countries particularly in the demographics. Anyway, all the information is useful and there are lots of studies as to the differences completed and in progress comparing Norway and Sweden. Things like demographics, previous flu seasons, larger metro areas in Sweden, etc. are useful in explaining non-COVID response contributors to Sweden's rate as compared to Norway. The two key COVID response contributors identified to date are the speed at which restrictive measures were introduced and the measures specifically taken to protect the nursing homes. A key point (Norway vs. Sweden) - Overall, these countries have had a nearly identical index in terms of overall response and restrictions. However, in both the 1st and 2nd waves Norway was 2-4 weeks quicker to implement actions. So rather than harp on the level of restrictions themselves the evidence to date suggests the slowness of Sweden to act as a/the prime contributor. Note: Of course the other natural factors aren't really understood yet. But yeah, just wear a mask. Toaster - A good example of how angled you can be is your point about borders above. Did you know that Sweden also closed its borders to Norway and Denmark? I'm not sure if you can do better to be honest but you might consider trying. Sorry, THE BORDERING NATIONS closed their borders to Sweden back in December due to the Swedish failure against COVID-19. That's a fact. Sweden's approach, let the people take care of it, has not worked out well. That is also a fact. Quote Norway, Denmark, and Finland all closed their borders to Sweden last year as they fretted about its much higher coronavirus infection and death rates, leading to warnings by ministers in Stockholm including Mr Damberg about the risks to Nordic co-operation. Both Denmark and the region around Oslo have now locked down a second time due to concerns about the spread of the variant first found in the UK, and which British prime minister Boris Johnson has warned may be deadlier. Norwegian prime minister Erna Solberg said she had "no complaints” about Sweden’s decision to close the border. People who live or work in Sweden, those transporting goods, and those with urgent family reasons will all still be allowed to enter from Norway. I don't know why you defend them so hard. The US failed pretty hard too. Lots of countries screwed the pooch fighting COVID.
March 25, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Accept the rest of your life we will be in this mess This routine is getting really stale.
March 25, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: Sorry, THE BORDERING NATIONS closed their borders to Sweden back in December due to the Swedish failure against COVID-19. That's a fact. Sweden's approach, let the people take care of it, has not worked out well. That is also a fact. I don't know why you defend them so hard. The US failed pretty hard too. Lots of countries screwed the pooch fighting COVID. Right and Sweden had already closed the border from both Norway and Denmark first due to COVID issues in those countries. You are only seeing what you want to see my friend. Sweden’s response index was higher than Norway’s last I looked. Again, stop just seeing what you want to see. note: Sweden made many mistakes. Perhaps more than their neighbors.
March 25, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: I don't know why you defend them so hard. The US failed pretty hard too. Lots of countries screwed the pooch fighting COVID. I live here and I’ve watched how much the outside works has skewed reality. Sad really. That has been both pro and anti.
March 25, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: But yeah, just wear a mask. More intellectual dishonesty from the wanna-be intellectual. Nobody said "just wear a mask" as if it was a silver bullet, but they did say, "Oh for Christ's sake, at the very least, you need to wear a mask." For someone so caught up in nuance, you'd think such an obvious difference wouldn't have to be pointed out so often.
March 25, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, DrPhilly said: Yes for the most part. That doesn't mean Norway and Sweden are just a straight compare. There are major differences in these two. I totally get that 99% of the people in the US look at these two like they are NH and Vermont or something but they are actually quite different in some key points. In any case, it is child's play to just throw out some statistics that support pretty much whatever. Twain was right. Sure, not trying to say they're exactly apples to apples. Just pointing out that if you're looking for a comparable cohort as far as climate, population, culture and timeline of when COVID first entered the country (eg Italy getting hit hard early) then the other Nordic countries are probably as good as you're going to get when it comes to looking at Sweden.
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