1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

Let it be known to all you who are arguing this whole thing is an overblown hoax driven by "scare tactics": you are on the same side of the issue as EagleVA.  Please let that marinate.

 

Bio-weapons are real, and if people don’t buy into this pandemic they might release the real weapon unfortunately, so make sure you don’t believe the reports about this virus so they might release the real virus 

4 hours ago, TEW said:

My question is this: when do we go back to normal? Or do you think we should have a perpetual lockdown?

I don’t think anyone can accuse me of downplaying this virus. I was the first one to sound the alarm on the old board. But at some point, we have got to get back to normal.

So what is the metric, or is there even a metric?

We go back to normal when Bill Gates is either out of the picture or he gets is wish of vaccinating the entire world, until either of those that happen they'll continue the facade.

BTW, his vaccination is all about population reduction so expect the lockdown to ramp up in wave two, nobody will see the light of day until a year or longer from now, they're already talking about the dark winter.

5 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Even if it’s a "scare tactic” imagine being an "arsehole” for taking extra precaution because you value human life.

I’m sure the person thinking about other people over than just themselves are the real arseholes 

Don't you understand, the line about "thinking about other people over than just themselves" is used to get the population to do exactly what they want?  It's called mind games.

Daily update from the doc

https://www.nothingbutthetruthmd.com/2020/05/51420-covid-19-update.html

Good evening,

It is difficult to find a sympathy card at the local pharmacy.

 

Estimates of Excess Mortality During the Covid-19 Outbreak in New York City March 11,2020 to May 2, 2020

Weekly Morbidity and Mortality Report, 3/11/20

 

On 3/11/19 the first Covid-19 associated fatality occurred in New York City, the same day the World Health Organization declared Covid-19 a pandemic.  On 3/17/20 the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene (DOHMH) initiated a daily match between all deaths reported to the DOHMH electronic vital registry and laboratory Covid-19.  Death for which Covid-19, SARS-CoV-2 or an equivalent term is listed on the death certificate as an immediate, underlying, or contributing cause of death, but that do not have a laboratory confirmed Covid-19 test, are classified as probable Covid-19 associated deaths.

 

As of May 2, 2020,  a total of 13,831 laboratory confirmed Covid-19 associated deaths and 5048 possible Covid-19 associated deaths were recorded in New York City.  Counting only confirmed or probably Covid-19 associated deaths however likely underestimate the number of deaths attributable to the pandemic.  Confirmed and probable cases do not count persons with SARS-CoV-2 infection who did not access diagnostic testing, tested falsely negative or became infected after testing, died outside a health care setting or for whom Covid-19 was not suspected by a health care provider as the cause of death. (the first documented Covid-19 death in the US, an otherwise health 35 year old, fits into this last category, diagnosis was made post mortem)

 

The objective of the report was to estimate excess deaths that occured in New York City, in the setting of widespread community transmission of SARS-CoV-2.  Excess deaths are the number of deaths above expected seasonal baseline.  Estimates of all cause excess deaths is used as a non-specific measure of the severity or impact of pandemics and public health emergencies..

 

DOHMH has developed an electronic vital statistics reporting system that provides a near complete count of all deaths that occur in New York City.  A seasonal periodic regression model as is routinely conducted for monitoring the impact of seasonal influenza was used to estimate excess deaths in New York City.

 

Excess deaths were determined for the period of 3/11/20 to 5/2/2020.  During this period a total of 32,107 deaths were reported to the DOHMH:  of these deaths, 24,172 (95% confidence limits = 22,980 - 25,364) were found to be in excess of seasonal expected base line.  Included in the 24,172 deaths were 13,831 (57%) laboratory confirmed Covid-19 deaths and 5085 (21%) probable Covid-19 associated deaths, leaving 5283 (22%) excess deaths that were not identified as either laboratory confirmed or possible Covid-19 associated deaths.

 

The 5293 excess deaths not identified as confirmed or probable Covid-19 associated deaths might have been directly or indirectly attributable to the pandemic.

 

Covid-19 associated mortality is higher in persons with underlying health issues such as hypertension, diabetes and obesity and deaths in these patients with underlying health conditions might not be recognized as being directly attributable to Covid-19.  Social distancing practices, the demand on hospitals and healthcare providers and public fear related to Covid-19 has lead to delays (dread risk) in seeking or obtaining life saving care.

 

Monitoring of all case deaths and estimating excess mortality during the pandemic provides a more sensitive measure of the total number of deaths than would be recorded by counting laboratory-confirmed or probable Covid-19 associated deaths.

 

Tracking excess mortality is important to understanding the contributions to the death rate from Covid-19 disease and the lack of availability of care for non-Covid-19 conditions.

 

Contrary to the opinions of many, who felt that the pandemic was overblown, that the numbers were being padded, this report suggests that the direct and indirect consequences on fatalities by the virus have been underestimated.

 

 

Numbers:  1800 from the Hopkins website

 

Tests - 10,341,775 (367,343 tests in the last 24 hours)

 

USA - 1,413,012 (up 1.72%, up from 1.58%)

 

New York - 343,057 (up 0.70%, up from 0.64%)

 

New Jersey - 142,704 (up0.80%, up from 0.45%)

 

Pennsylvania - 63,105 (up 1.76% , up from 1.14%)

 

Maryland - 35,903 (up 3.13%, up from 2.20%)

 

California - 74,932 (up 3.24%, down from 4.00%, 366 fewer new cases than the day before)  California hospital bed utilization continues to rise - not good

 

South Carolina - 8193 (up 3.35%) 

 

Texas - 43,945 (up 2.99%, down from 4.32%, 491 fewer new cases than the day before)

 

World - 4,426,937 (up 2.21 %, up from 1.96%)

 

 

Thank you for reading this message

 

Live Safely

Be Well

8 hours ago, EagleVA said:

They're not trying to be selfish arseholes, they're trying to tell you that you're the arsehole for wearing the mask because you have nothing to fear, it's nothing but a scamdemic.

Unfortunately bio-weapons do exist and if their scare tactics don't work they very well could release one making those death numbers a reality but as of now, the death numbers are in line with the flu season. 

F you, dude.

2 hours ago, EagleVA said:

We go back to normal when Bill Gates is either out of the picture or he gets is wish of vaccinating the entire world, until either of those that happen they'll continue the facade.

BTW, his vaccination is all about population reduction so expect the lockdown to ramp up in wave two, nobody will see the light of day until a year or longer from now, they're already talking about the dark winter.

You’re not allowed out of the Conspiracy Theory/Tinfoil Hat Looney Bin thread. BACK TO YOUR HOLE!  

8 hours ago, EagleVA said:

They're not trying to be selfish arseholes, they're trying to tell you that you're the arsehole for wearing the mask because you have nothing to fear, it's nothing but a scamdemic.

 

i'll pass this along to my buddy who's mother in law died of coronavirus 2 weeks ago.  i'm sure he'll be relieved to hear that it's just a scam.

 

scumbag.

12 hours ago, xzmattzx said:

			Coronavirus deaths per million. Top ten countries in the world.   https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/   Confirmed deaths (absolute) Population (in millions) Deaths per million Belgium 8,843 11.42 774.2 Spain 27,104 46.72 580.09 Italy 31,106 60.43 514.73 United Kingdom 33,186 66.49 499.12 France 27,045 66.99 403.73 Sweden 3,460 10.18 339.78 Netherlands 5,562 17.23 322.79 Ireland 1,497 4.85 308.44 United States 84,005 327.17 256.76 Switzerland 1,870 8.52 219.57

Better hope Toaster doesn't see you using actual math and logic or he'll come at you with the all caps

Then again maybe he's arguing with someone who lived in Denver about the weather there

12 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Better hope Toaster doesn't see you using actual math and logic or he'll come at you with the all caps

Then again maybe he's arguing with someone who lived in Denver about the weather there

Thank you very much for proving my point and remaining 100% ignorant of that fact.

You sir, are a genius on the level of Mr. Drumpf.

20 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Thank you very much for proving my point and remaining 100% ignorant of that fact.

You sir, are a genius on the level of Mr. Drumpf.

Sure you don't wanna try that again, in ALL CAPS this time, Mr. Super Genius?  Go back to getting your info from liberal Facebook posts you effin' weirdo.

4 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Sure you don't wanna try that again, in ALL CAPS this time, Mr. Super Genius?  Go back to getting your info from liberal Facebook posts you effin' weirdo.

The link you quoted shows which country with the highest death toll? Take your time.

4 hours ago, EagleVA said:

Don't you understand, the line about "thinking about other people over than just themselves" is used to get the population to do exactly what they want?  It's called mind games.

Uh no, it’s called being selfless and showing empathy 

Joe will save the lives of millions of jobs, Americans, thousands of jobs...

 

Not only should she be fired, but she should be arrested and charged with manslaughter 

 

6 minutes ago, iladelphxx said:

Not only should she be fired, but she should be arrested and charged with manslaughter 

 

I just re-watched Contagion the other night on HBO - it's crazy how much of what takes place in that movie is what we're experiencing right now.  The terminology they use is identical, people are abusing their power to aid loves ones, there's a dude pushing conspiracies and fake cures, etc.  Bad thing about the last point is it's our own damn President pushing the fake cures and conspiracies  

15 minutes ago, iladelphxx said:

Not only should she be fired, but she should be arrested and charged with manslaughter 

 

Literal demons.

9 hours ago, TEW said:

My question is this: when do we go back to normal? Or do you think we should have a perpetual lockdown?

I don’t think anyone can accuse me of downplaying this virus. I was the first one to sound the alarm on the old board. But at some point, we have got to get back to normal.

So what is the metric, or is there even a metric?

With the exception of major urban hubs currently getting hit hard, I think we should reopen everything and many places should have done so weeks ago.  But people should also be encouraged as much as possible to wear masks and maintain social distancing.  If everything is open WITH people doing these things and the uptick is sustainable to the health care system, THEN you can talk about the next step where people are normal again, out and about without any restrictions.

 

But I don't think normal is really going to happen, at least for urban areas, until this is completely gone, post vaccine.

16 minutes ago, iladelphxx said:

Not only should she be fired, but she should be arrested and charged with manslaughter 

It's a **** situation but what's the alternative for skilled nursing facilities taking these patients though? Unless the family is willing and able to take care of them, or willing to pay for private care, it's really either make SNFs take them or keep them in the hospital forever.  A good friend of mine is an NP/manager at a SNF in Philadelphia and they essentially are putting all the COVID patients in the same building.  It's a Fing nightmare but again what are the alternatives?

22 minutes ago, iladelphxx said:

Not only should she be fired, but she should be arrested and charged with manslaughter 

 

wait...what?    

As for the re-opening question, we need to recognize that one size fits all isn't working and should be abandoned. The NYT piece a couple weeks ago was right -- we don't all need to live by NYC's rules. NY, NJ and CT have almost 50% of the deaths in the US, and frankly NYC will continue to be a petri dish cesspool until they close the Subway. I would recommend the following:

1. Begin re-opening most of the country and begin relaxing social distancing guidelines as appropriate

2. Restrict travel to and from the NYC area

3. If a new outbreak occurs -- restrict travel and try to contain the outbreak in that area. Now, this requires much more testing capacity in order to quickly identify an outbreak and contain it before it spreads. This is where our failure on testing really bites us in the arse. But, if we get the testing capacity, if there is a breakout in Philly, then shut down travel in and out of Philly for a bit.

4. Be honest about the true reality -- most people are eventually going to get COVID. We need them to get it to hopefully develop herd immunity. We flattened the curve and didn't overwhelm the hospital system at the start -- sadly, we haven't spent the last 2 months building up supplies needed.

This is what we should be doing, but the morons in charge wasted 2 months and didn't ramp up testing, PPE, ventilators, etc. Stop acting like we won and sending ventilators overseas -- excess capacity isn't a bad thing and is what we need to re-open.

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

As for the re-opening question, we need to recognize that one size fits all isn't working and should be abandoned. The NYT piece a couple weeks ago was right -- we don't all need to live by NYC's rules. NY, NJ and CT have almost 50% of the deaths in the US, and frankly NYC will continue to be a petri dish cesspool until they close the Subway. I would recommend the following:

1. Begin re-opening most of the country and begin relaxing social distancing guidelines as appropriate

2. Restrict travel to and from the NYC area

3. If a new outbreak occurs -- restrict travel and try to contain the outbreak in that area. Now, this requires much more testing capacity in order to quickly identify an outbreak and contain it before it spreads. This is where our failure on testing really bites us in the arse. But, if we get the testing capacity, if there is a breakout in Philly, then shut down travel in and out of Philly for a bit.

4. Be honest about the true reality -- most people are eventually going to get COVID. We need them to get it to hopefully develop herd immunity. We flattened the curve and didn't overwhelm the hospital system at the start -- sadly, we haven't spent the last 2 months building up supplies needed.

This is what we should be doing, but the morons in charge wasted 2 months and didn't ramp up testing, PPE, ventilators, etc. Stop acting like we won and sending ventilators overseas -- excess capacity isn't a bad thing and is what we need to re-open.

I think the shelved CDC protocols were pretty a pretty solid set of guidelines.  Set out real specific goals for reopening with cases/ICU capacity/hospital PPE and staffing/testing percentages, but also emphasizes local approach and the need for increased testing/tracing.  Pretty similar to what you're plugging (minus the NYC specific stuff).

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6889330/Guidance-for-Opening-Up-America-Again-Framework.pdf

Long but the "meat"  of it is in the first few pages.

5 hours ago, EagleVA said:

We go back to normal when Bill Gates is either out of the picture or he gets is wish of vaccinating the entire world, until either of those that happen they'll continue the facade.

BTW, his vaccination is all about population reduction so expect the lockdown to ramp up in wave two, nobody will see the light of day until a year or longer from now, they're already talking about the dark winter.

So are you a Mac guy?

5 hours ago, EagleVA said:

We go back to normal when Bill Gates is either out of the picture or he gets is wish of vaccinating the entire world, until either of those that happen they'll continue the facade.

BTW, his vaccination is all about population reduction so expect the lockdown to ramp up in wave two, nobody will see the light of day until a year or longer from now, they're already talking about the dark winter.

god your life must ****s. I mean really, really suck.

you are always stressing over dimwitted conspiracy theories, always fighting the truth that the world is a globe, constantly thinking somebody is about to get you and that Armageddon is always , just around the corner. its the boogieman syndrome and your fears are elbow deep up in you. 

but damn do I love reading your deranged rants.