1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

A barber who continued to cut hair at a shop in New York over the past few weeks in violation of the state's stay-at-home order has tested positive for COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, according to the Ulster County Department of Health and Mental Health.

In a statement Wednesday, the county health commissioner advised anyone who received a haircut in the past three weeks at a barbershop on Broadway in the city of Kingston, about 20 miles north of Poughkeepsie, to seek testing for the coronavirus. The statement did not identify either the barber or the shop.

What an American hero, putting his life on the line to make sure everyone has sick fades. Give this barber the medal of honor.

The retarded bimbo just said the way Trump handled the COVID-19 pandemic will be the playbook for dealing with future pandemics. 

4 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

The retarded bimbo just said the way Trump handled the COVID-19 pandemic will be the playbook for dealing with future pandemics. 

Wow.  If only Obama had used the Trump playbook when Ebola hit, we could've avoided those two awful deaths and replaced them with a much more reasonable 85K deaths.

5 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

The retarded bimbo just said the way Trump handled the COVID-19 pandemic will be the playbook for dealing with future pandemics. 

cheeto's pandemic playbook is right up there with casey anthony's book on parenting. 

5 hours ago, vikas83 said:

As for the re-opening question, we need to recognize that one size fits all isn't working and should be abandoned. The NYT piece a couple weeks ago was right -- we don't all need to live by NYC's rules. NY, NJ and CT have almost 50% of the deaths in the US, and frankly NYC will continue to be a petri dish cesspool until they close the Subway. I would recommend the following:

1. Begin re-opening most of the country and begin relaxing social distancing guidelines as appropriate

2. Restrict travel to and from the NYC area

3. If a new outbreak occurs -- restrict travel and try to contain the outbreak in that area. Now, this requires much more testing capacity in order to quickly identify an outbreak and contain it before it spreads. This is where our failure on testing really bites us in the arse. But, if we get the testing capacity, if there is a breakout in Philly, then shut down travel in and out of Philly for a bit.

4. Be honest about the true reality -- most people are eventually going to get COVID. We need them to get it to hopefully develop herd immunity. We flattened the curve and didn't overwhelm the hospital system at the start -- sadly, we haven't spent the last 2 months building up supplies needed.

This is what we should be doing, but the morons in charge wasted 2 months and didn't ramp up testing, PPE, ventilators, etc. Stop acting like we won and sending ventilators overseas -- excess capacity isn't a bad thing and is what we need to re-open.

Disagree with you on point #4.  It is not inevitable that most people contract the virus.  As South Korea and Japan have demonstrated, if you have an effective strategy to mitigate the spread and a populous that is compliant in taking precautions to reduce opportunity for transmissions, you can significantly reduce the amount of transmissions (without doing grave harm to your economy).  In fact, their approach has minimized damage to their economy.  Since they’ve handled this so well, the dread risk is far lower than in countries with higher spread.  So people are more likely to get back to life as "normal” as there is less chance of contracting the virus.

 
South Korea has averaged about 30 new cases per day for a month now.  At this rate, it would take nearly 4,000 years for 70% of their population to contract the virus. 

Which brings me to my next point regarding herd immunity.  Currently, it is not known how long antibodies will provide protection for.  It’s possible that they may only provide protection for about a year.   If this turns into a recurring virus, and antibodies only provide short term protection, then there will have been a huge amount of excess deaths with no long term societal protection provided as a result. 

 

Just now, Phillyterp85 said:

Disagree with you on point #4.  It is not inevitable that most people contract the virus.  As South Korea and Japan have demonstrated, if you have an effective strategy to mitigate the spread and a populous that is compliant in taking precautions to reduce opportunity for transmissions, you can significantly reduce the amount of transmissions (without doing grave harm to your economy).  In fact, their approach has minimized damage to their economy.  Since they’ve handled this so well, the dread risk is far lower than in countries higher spread.  So people are more likely to get back to life as "normal” as there is less chance of contracting the virus.

 
South Korea has averaged about 30 new cases per day for a month now.  At this rate, it would take nearly 4,000 years for 70% of their population to contract the virus. 

Which brings me to my next point regarding herd immunity.  Currently, it is not known how long antibodies will provide protection for.  It’s possible that they may only provide protection for about a year.   If this turns into a recurring virus, and antibodies only provide short term protection, then there will have been a huge amount of excess deaths with no long term societal protection provided as a result. 

 

To paraphrase the eternal words of Darth Vader...it is too late for us. Had we been on top of this from the jump like South Korea and Japan, we wouldn't be in a situation where most people will get it -- we could have contained the initial hot spots in NY, WA and CA. But we were idiots for 2 months, so now it is everywhere.

 

So, more cognitive decline here. He struggles with the word "simultaneously” and then has to define the word; not for the audience but for himself. Talking it out makes him confirm that he understood it. 

2 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

LMFAO imagine being this ignorant about the actual role and capabilities of nursing facilities yet still feeling confident enough comment on the subject.

LMFAO, imagine touting the capabilities of nursing homes when they account for nearly a third of all US deaths of coronavirus.  

So capable! Send the patients right in there! lmao

5 minutes ago, Kz! said:

LMFAO, imagine touting the capabilities of nursing homes when they account for nearly a third of all US deaths of coronavirus.  

So capable! Send the patients right in there! lmao

Old folks with lung issues are at risk. Nursing homes are filled with old folks with lung issues. The problem is:

1. Lack of government action to prevent the spread of disease

2. Government stupidity telling people the disease was a hoax and it would go away.

3. Government stupidity of leaders not visibly following quarantine protocol and encouraging the population to do the same

4. Government stupidity telling people to try untested drugs.

 

I can keep going.

1 minute ago, Toastrel said:

Old folks with lung issues are at risk. Nursing homes are filled with old folks with lung issues. The problem is:

1. Lack of government action to prevent the spread of disease

2. Government stupidity telling people the disease was a hoax and it would go away.

3. Government stupidity of leaders not visibly following quarantine protocol and encouraging the population to do the same

4. Government stupidity telling people to try untested drugs.

 

I can keep going.

You missed the most obvious one:

Government officials forcing nursing homes to accept COVID patients.

29 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

To paraphrase the eternal words of Darth Vader...it is too late for us. Had we been on top of this from the jump like South Korea and Japan, we wouldn't be in a situation where most people will get it -- we could have contained the initial hot spots in NY, WA and CA. But we were idiots for 2 months, so now it is everywhere.

 

I agree we were certainly way late to react.  However, that still doesn’t mean we are destined to have 70% of the population contract the virus (which is likely the % needed to reach herd immunity).  
In order for 230 million people to contract this virus within a year, we would need to have 630,000 people contract it every day.  
With that rate of infection, it won’t matter what leaders do to "open the economy”.  The economy would be royally effed as supply chains will be significantly disrupted, and consumption will be WAY down.  Who’s going to want to go leave the house if there’s over 500,000 new cases a day?

The video just makes me laugh, I really don't know what else to say 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-denies-saying-things-he-previously-said-about-the-coronavirus/2020/04/21/be4e8a8d-08cf-4e27-bcf7-bd1d32b45400_video.html?fbclid=IwAR0RAx6v51-fYcW47L1yUTXbQMkjYvi6SEm58h6a0WwoZwNC6N9kPAzyqFo

 

8 minutes ago, Kz! said:

LMFAO, imagine touting the capabilities of nursing homes when they account for nearly a third of all US deaths of coronavirus.  

So capable! Send the patients right in there! lmao

LMAO at having such a poor grasp of statistics that you're somehow shocked that  deaths from a disease that disproportionately affects old people are coming from places that house old people

LMAO at still not being able to come up with any coherent response for "what's the alternative" because you have absolutely zero clue what you're talking about.

1 hour ago, mayanh8 said:

The retarded bimbo just said the way Trump handled the COVID-19 pandemic will be the playbook for dealing with future pandemics. 

I don’t disagree that this obviously written by President Trump statement is ridiculous...but do we need to use the word retarded against what is a very well educated woman in a derogatory manner?  Not very left wing of you. 

Anyone catch the Diceman on that terrible comedy special that they had on the Weather Channel last night?

Hickory dickory dock

the toilet paper was out of stock 

the clock struck 2, I took a poo

then i wiped it off with a sock

 But, seriously, these celebrities from their homes specials were beyond tiresome before they even started. Someone tell them that absence makes the heart grow fonder, so switch the camera off, and stfu for a while.

7 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

Anyone catch the Diceman on that terrible comedy special that they had on the Weather Channel last night?

Hickory dickory dock

the toilet paper was out of stock 

the clock struck 2, I took a poo

then i had to wipe it with a sock

 But, seriously, these celebrities from their homes specials were beyond tiresome before they even started. Someone tell them that absence makes the heart grow fonder, so switch the camera off, and stfu for a while.

It's like sitcoms without a laugh track. Makes you realize real quick how much of it isn't funny to begin with.

42 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

LMAO at having such a poor grasp of statistics that you're somehow shocked that  deaths from a disease that disproportionately affects old people are coming from places that house old people

LMAO at still not being able to come up with any coherent response for "what's the alternative" because you have absolutely zero clue what you're talking about.

LMAO, triggered.

No kidding on the bold, that's why you don't force nursing homes to take in patients, kid. All the butthurt because you have to reflexively defend democrats' asinine decision to force the most vulnerable to take in patients, lmao smh.

1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Disagree with you on point #4.  It is not inevitable that most people contract the virus.  As South Korea and Japan have demonstrated, if you have an effective strategy to mitigate the spread and a populous that is compliant in taking precautions to reduce opportunity for transmissions, you can significantly reduce the amount of transmissions (without doing grave harm to your economy).  In fact, their approach has minimized damage to their economy.  Since they’ve handled this so well, the dread risk is far lower than in countries with higher spread.  So people are more likely to get back to life as "normal” as there is less chance of contracting the virus.

 
South Korea has averaged about 30 new cases per day for a month now.  At this rate, it would take nearly 4,000 years for 70% of their population to contract the virus. 

Which brings me to my next point regarding herd immunity.  Currently, it is not known how long antibodies will provide protection for.  It’s possible that they may only provide protection for about a year.   If this turns into a recurring virus, and antibodies only provide short term protection, then there will have been a huge amount of excess deaths with no long term societal protection provided as a result. 

 

 

Slamming the breaks is a good measure to gain a basic level of control but ultimately there are only two choices.  1) Lock every one down for an indefinite period of time and pray for a vaccine.  2) Open up as much as possible while controlling the curve.

#1 - This isn't feasible for much longer.  I think the US is near the end of the road already and a vaccine is no where in sight relatively speaking.

#2 - Realistically, this is the only option that makes sense and in fact it is the one all the leading experts talk about every single time they present the information. It is all about controlling the curve and it is not about shutting it down entirely as that just isn't possible from a practical standpoint.  Even if herd immunity doesn't actually occur this is still a better option overall in the situation where a vaccine is still several years out.  We just can't shut down civilization for that long.  Much better to do all the things you want to do with social distancing, hygiene, smart working from home setups, limited openings for restaurants, etc. etc.  All that stuff is how the curve remains controlled without a full shutdown.  I'm watching it happen daily in Sweden.  Are the numbers somewhat higher?  Yes, but the curve is under control, the hospitals are not overflowing, and we keep a sense of normalcy.

 

 

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

To paraphrase the eternal words of Darth Vader...it is too late for us. Had we been on top of this from the jump like South Korea and Japan, we wouldn't be in a situation where most people will get it -- we could have contained the initial hot spots in NY, WA and CA. But we were idiots for 2 months, so now it is everywhere.

 

I've been convinced since the beginning of March that this stuff has been all over the place in both the US and Europe for a while arriving in a big way in the February time frame.

6 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

With the exception of major urban hubs currently getting hit hard, I think we should reopen everything and many places should have done so weeks ago.  But people should also be encouraged as much as possible to wear masks and maintain social distancing.  If everything is open WITH people doing these things and the uptick is sustainable to the health care system, THEN you can talk about the next step where people are normal again, out and about without any restrictions.

 

But I don't think normal is really going to happen, at least for urban areas, until this is completely gone, post vaccine.

Fair enough.

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

The video just makes me laugh, I really don't know what else to say 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-denies-saying-things-he-previously-said-about-the-coronavirus/2020/04/21/be4e8a8d-08cf-4e27-bcf7-bd1d32b45400_video.html?fbclid=IwAR0RAx6v51-fYcW47L1yUTXbQMkjYvi6SEm58h6a0WwoZwNC6N9kPAzyqFo

 

We have seen this play before and it works for his base - they are either dumb to remember what he said yesterday And enjoy being lied to day in and day out

Florida opened gyms and expanded indoor eating starting Monday, both can be at 50% capacity. This was announced 12 days after the initial reopen and 4 days after Salons and Barbershops opened. Seems kind of rushed to expand more. Also at some point Bowling Alleys and arcades like Dave and Busters were allowed to open, not sure when that happened. 

2 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

You can literally see the gears turning in his head, thinking, "how can I cover my a** here.  Oh, I'll just say everything, that way I'll be right even if I'm wrong."  Meanwhile, no one actually gets any information, which is the whole point.  Such strong leadership.

He gets his motto from his favorite news channel

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

I don’t disagree that this obviously written by President Trump statement is ridiculous...but do we need to use the word retarded against what is a very well educated woman in a derogatory manner?  Not very left wing of you. 

A right of center poster calling it out is expected. That no left of center, or even "centrist” posters ever do is telling.

51 minutes ago, Kz! said:

LMAO, triggered.

No kidding on the bold, that's why you don't force nursing homes to take in patients, kid. All the butthurt because you have to reflexively defend democrats' asinine decision to force the most vulnerable to take in patients, lmao smh.

Oh gee whiz of course! Why didn't I think of that? So clearly the better solution is to just let them sit in hospitals, increasing hospital burden and increasing exposure risk there?  Or just send them to rag-tag volunteer-based acute centers that are not qualified to take care of patients with any significant complexity that don't exist in large swatches of the country?

Brilliant!  Way better solutions than sending them to the facilities specifically and qualified to manage sick, complicated and sometimes dying patients who are no longer benefitting from a hospital. 

Keep up the good work Anthony Fauxchi