May 20, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Smokesdawg said: He’s not even hiding the projection anymore. More distracting It's not necessarily incorrect to blame the pandemic on the government who initially tried to cover it up. What steps do you think Trump should have taken that someone currently in our government would have taken in his place? Before you say it. I didn't vote for Trump and I disagree with alot he does and says.
May 20, 20205 yr On 5/18/2020 at 9:31 PM, vikas83 said: Pelosi with the kill shot. "Morbidly obese.” President Man-Baby about to go nuts on Twitter. Pelosi twists the knife in a little further! Quote I didn't know that he would be so sensitive. He's always talking about other people's ... weight, their pounds
May 20, 20205 yr 15 minutes ago, DMMVP said: It's not necessarily incorrect to blame the pandemic on the government who initially tried to cover it up. What steps do you think Trump should have taken that someone currently in our government would have taken in his place? Before you say it. I didn't vote for Trump and I disagree with alot he does and says. Quote Speaking on Fox News on January 30, Trump said China was "working very hard" to stop the coronavirus outbreak. "And we are in great shape," he said. "China is not in great shape right now, unfortunately. But they're working very hard. We'll see what happens. But we're working very closely with China and other countries." Quote February 7: "Late last night, I had a very good talk with President Xi, and we talked about — mostly about the coronavirus. They're working really hard, and I think they are doing a very professional job. They're in touch with World — the World — World Organization. CDC also. We're working together. But World Health is working with them. CDC is working with them. I had a great conversation last night with President Xi. It's a tough situation. I think they're doing a very good job.” Quote February 10: "I think China is very, you know, professionally run in the sense that they have everything under control," Trump said. "I really believe they are going to have it under control fairly soon. You know in April, supposedly, it dies with the hotter weather. And that's a beautiful date to look forward to. But China I can tell you is working very hard." Quote February 10: "I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s all going to work out fine.” Quote February 13: "I think they've handled it professionally and I think they're extremely capable and I think President Xi is extremely capable and I hope that it's going to be resolved." Quote February 18: "I think President Xi is working very hard. As you know, I spoke with him recently. He’s working really hard. It’s a tough problem. I think he’s going to do — look, I’ve seen them build hospitals in a short period of time. I really believe he wants to get that done, and he wants to get it done fast. Yes, I think he’s doing it very professionally.” Quote February 26: "China is working very, very hard. I have spoken to President Xi, and they’re working very hard. And if you know anything about him, I think he’ll be in pretty good shape. They’re — they’ve had a rough patch, and I think right now they have it — it looks like they’re getting it under control more and more. They’re getting it more and more under control.” Quote February 29: "China seems to be making tremendous progress. Their numbers are way down. … I think our relationship with China is very good. We just did a big trade deal. We’re starting on another trade deal with China — a very big one. And we’ve been working very closely. They’ve been talking to our people, we’ve been talking to their people, having to do with the virus.” No one is disputing that they covered it up. But trump is now covering for his stupidity. We know our agencies were telling him way earlier that this was a big problem. So, either Trump was being fully duped by trusting China's word and needs to own up to it OR he was fully complicit in covering up the seriousness of the problem.
May 20, 20205 yr Just now, Smokesdawg said: No one is disputing that they covered it up. But trump is now covering for his stupidity. We know our agencies were telling him way earlier that this was a big problem. So, either Trump was being fully duped by trusting China's word and needs to own up to it OR he was fully complicit in covering up the seriousness of the problem. I agree with the things coming out of his mouth and twitter not being weighted in truth. But even Fauci at the end of February said no American habits currently needed to be changed. I'm leaning more toward early actions by Trump. I think any other politician would have acted similar or possibly slower. His travel ban drew some large opposition. NYC held out on locking down. I think we could have done a much better job overall, especially nursing homes. Someone I knew my whole life passed from it in one. I think that failure stretches government wide.
May 20, 20205 yr 44 minutes ago, DMMVP said: What steps do you think Trump should have taken that someone currently in our government would have taken in his place? How about start with a little humility and a calm stable organized approach with the emphasis being on uniting everyone?
May 20, 20205 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: How about start with a little humility and a calm stable organized approach with the emphasis being on uniting everyone? That's about as likely as Trump running a successful casino...
May 20, 20205 yr Just now, vikas83 said: That's about as likely as Trump running a successful casino... Which is why he was doomed from the very beginning with this thing
May 20, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: How about start with a little humility and a calm stable organized approach with the emphasis being on uniting everyone? I was referring to initial policies meant to contain the spread. I believe Smokesdawg was referring to him projecting to China on lives lost. As far as demeanor and attitude, I agree.
May 20, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Which is why he was doomed from the very beginning with this thing And by this thing, I'm assuming you mean the Presidency? Or maybe just life overall?
May 20, 20205 yr Just now, DMMVP said: I was referring to initial policies meant to contain the spread. I believe Smokesdawg was referring to him projecting to China on lives lost. As far as demeanor and attitude, I agree. So was I. His first policy should have been to bring calm to the situation and push a spirit of steady leadership. I'm stretching the word perhaps but it should have been very clear that POTUS should have a top priority to bring calm stable unifying leadership in a time like this one. That is a crucial step in being able to enact policies that can actually work and work well. There really wasn't ever any chance that Trump could do that but any POTUS worth their salt should be able to do so.
May 20, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, vikas83 said: That's about as likely as Trump running a successful casino... The Trump Marina is pretty nice...... ....Now that its the Golden Nugget and they did a rennovation.
May 20, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, vikas83 said: And by this thing, I'm assuming you mean the Presidency? Or maybe just life overall? All of the above naturally but of course I also specifically mean his ability to successfully lead in a dire emergency once in a generation scenario like we are having with COVID
May 20, 20205 yr 18 minutes ago, DMMVP said: I agree with the things coming out of his mouth and twitter not being weighted in truth. But even Fauci at the end of February said no American habits currently needed to be changed. I'm leaning more toward early actions by Trump. I think any other politician would have acted similar or possibly slower. His travel ban drew some large opposition. NYC held out on locking down. I think we could have done a much better job overall, especially nursing homes. Someone I knew my whole life passed from it in one. I think that failure stretches government wide. New York could have locked down much faster; however, it was already in the country by then. The nursing homes are a travesty but the federal government is the level of government that is supposed to be running point on foreign threats. Trump didn't lock down anything. By the time he travel banned china, it was in europe and quickly italy became the center and he didn't lock down europe travel until March 13. Between February 1 and March 13 he didn't do anything except calling it a democrat hoax. He was twiddling his thumbs:
May 20, 20205 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: So was I. His first policy should have been to bring calm to the situation and push a spirit of steady leadership. I'm stretching the word perhaps but it should have been very clear that POTUS should have a top priority to bring calm stable unifying leadership in a time like this one. That is a crucial step in being able to enact policies that can actually work and work well. There really wasn't ever any chance that Trump could do that but any POTUS worth their salt should be able to do so. Dumb question.... any chance that him saying things like this would magically go away early on was his attempt at keeping the calm?
May 20, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, paco said: Dumb question.... any chance that him saying things like this would magically go away early on was his attempt at keeping the calm? Probably so.
May 20, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: So was I. His first policy should have been to bring calm to the situation and push a spirit of steady leadership. I'm stretching the word perhaps but it should have been very clear that POTUS should have a top priority to bring calm stable unifying leadership in a time like this one. That is a crucial step in being able to enact policies that can actually work and work well. There really wasn't ever any chance that Trump could do that but any POTUS worth their salt should be able to do so. That's great and I agree. But has nothing to do with my post saying it's not necessarily projection when Trump blames lives lost around the world on some unscrupulous initial actions by China's government.
May 20, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, DMMVP said: That's great and I agree. But has nothing to do with my post saying it's not necessarily projection when Trump blames lives lost around the world on some unscrupulous initial actions by China's government. I never said it was.
May 20, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, paco said: Dumb question.... any chance that him saying things like this would magically go away early on was his attempt at keeping the calm? Stay calm, pay no attention to the tsunami that is going to hit you. Yup, pretty much what he continues to do.
May 20, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, Smokesdawg said: New York could have locked down much faster; however, it was already in the country by then. The nursing homes are a travesty but the federal government is the level of government that is supposed to be running point on foreign threats. Trump didn't lock down anything. By the time he travel banned china, it was in europe and quickly italy became the center and he didn't lock down europe travel until March 13. Between February 1 and March 13 he didn't do anything except calling it a democrat hoax. Well by that logic, damage is done and we can fully open now since it's in the country. Local governors are best to handle their localities needs. Federal government should be there to supply aid. NYC received everything it requested. Testing is currently at a level higher than people actually use in most parts of the country. Again, Fauci wasn't calling for a lockdown or to change behavior in late February. While I do wish we did a better job, I don't see where anyone was calling for locking down sooner.
May 20, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, DMMVP said: It's not necessarily incorrect to blame the pandemic on the government who initially tried to cover it up. What steps do you think Trump should have taken that someone currently in our government would have taken in his place? Before you say it. I didn't vote for Trump and I disagree with alot he does and says. It's already been well documented that Trump completely dropped the ball on early testing. Mass early testing would've given us a chance to get out in front of the virus, traced it, and selectively quarantined where needed. Instead, he called in a hoax, said it would magically disappear and generally did nothing for two months. China's early lies put action off for a couple weeks....but once it was discovered how serious it was Trump still had week after week after week to jumpstart early action and he did nothing, because he was worried about the politics of taking it seriously. He completely failed the American people. Literally any other President would have done more, because no other President in history has solely focussed on "winning" the day's media cycle.
May 20, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: I never said it was. Gotcha, just seems irrelevant to bring up then on a discussion about projection on China and saving lives.
May 20, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: It's already been well documented that Trump completely dropped the ball on early testing. Mass early testing would've given us a chance to get out in front of the virus, traced it, and selectively quarantined where needed. Instead, he called in a hoax, said it would magically disappear and generally did nothing for two months. China's early lies put action off for a couple weeks....but once it was discovered how serious it was Trump still had week after week after week to jumpstart early action and he did nothing, because he was worried about the politics of taking it seriously. He completely failed the American people. Literally any other President would have done more, because no other President in history has solely focussed on "winning" the day's media cycle. CDC failures on initial production doomed us on testing. He called the Democrats using his administration's handling as the new hoax. Still stupid.
May 20, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, DMMVP said: Gotcha, just seems irrelevant to bring up then on a discussion about projection on China and saving lives. It's all related. The leadership of POTUS is directly related to the effectiveness of any policy that is enacted and the effectiveness impacts saving lives.
May 20, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: It's already been well documented that Trump completely dropped the ball on early testing. Mass early testing would've given us a chance to get out in front of the virus, traced it, and selectively quarantined where needed. Instead, he called in a hoax, said it would magically disappear and generally did nothing for two months. China's early lies put action off for a couple weeks....but once it was discovered how serious it was Trump still had week after week after week to jumpstart early action and he did nothing, because he was worried about the politics of taking it seriously. He completely failed the American people. Literally any other President would have done more, because no other President in history has solely focussed on "winning" the day's media cycle. I think part of this was trying to cover for the CDC failings as well. They wanted to make their own tests, and f'd it up royally. I believe the administration knew this. Once he got serious about it I do think there were many many folks who reacted professionally and competently to get things going as to what we needed. Namely the military ships, cleaning out the stock pile, and having a plan on how to get PPE and ventilators distributed. Again, we were not granted a sense of calm, or anything like that, but behind the scenes of the biased media, ish was getting done.
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