May 21, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, DBW said: If she quits without good cause (proof her boss molested her) then she’s not eligible for unemployment. I think the CARES Act changed some of that temporarily. As far as I know, if you have to quit your job to take care of kids who can't go to school or daycare you could be eligible.
May 21, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: why do you hate small businesses so much ? because he loves him some big gummint? And that walrus he's been riding
May 21, 20205 yr https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/21/georgia-reopening-coronavirus-jobs-273070 Reopening reality check: Georgia's jobs aren’t flooding back A month after easing lockdown restrictions, the state is still seeing a steady stream of unemployment claims, economic data shows. Quote Georgia’s early move to start easing stay-at-home restrictions nearly a month ago has done little to stem the state’s flood of unemployment claims — illustrating how hard it is to bring jobs back while consumers are still afraid to go outside. Weekly applications for jobless benefits have remained so elevated that Georgia now leads the country in terms of the proportion of its workforce applying for unemployment assistance. A staggering 40.3 percent of the state's workers — two out of every five — has filed for unemployment insurance payments since the coronavirus pandemic led to widespread shutdowns in mid-March, a POLITICO review of Labor Department data shows. Georgia, which began pushing to resume economic activity on April 24, presents an early reality check as the White House amps up pressure on governors to lift shutdown orders and President Donald Trump’s economic advisers predict jobless claims will nosedive after the reopening. The state’s persistent unemployment numbers suggest that government restrictions aren’t the only cause of skyrocketing layoffs and furloughs — and that the economy might not fully recover until consumers feel safe. I thought it was blue-state governors that were holding the economy back? Guess not.
May 21, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/21/georgia-reopening-coronavirus-jobs-273070 Reopening reality check: Georgia's jobs aren’t flooding back A month after easing lockdown restrictions, the state is still seeing a steady stream of unemployment claims, economic data shows. I thought it was blue-state governors that were holding the economy back? Guess not. Wait, after being shut down on a dime, the economy is supposed to just bounce back in a hot minute? Georgia’s economy is not independent of the rest of the world.
May 21, 20205 yr 15 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Wait, after being shut down on a dime, the economy is supposed to just bounce back in a hot minute? Georgia’s economy is not independent of the rest of the world. No, it's certainly not. And no one's economy is independent of the dangers posed by the virus either. Which is why blaming governors who are cautious in their reopen plans misses the mark.
May 21, 20205 yr 19 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Wait, after being shut down on a dime, the economy is supposed to just bounce back in a hot minute? Georgia’s economy is not independent of the rest of the world. This is accurate and should be taken into consideration. As much as I dislike Kemp and think their approach is going to bite them in the arse at some point, it's unreasonable to expect an speedy economic turnaround after a lockdown. On the flip side, we also have to consider that a large part of the economic downturn was independent the lockdowns. Anecdotally you can look to businesses that were allowed to remain open during lockdown that still had massive decreases in traffic (like mine, about as "essential" as a business gets without involving food/water/electricity and we didn't even hit 50% of our usual numbers). Non-anecdotally you can look at countries that didn't lock down like Sweden who still face economic crisis.
May 21, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: This is accurate and should be taken into consideration. As much as I dislike Kemp and think their approach is going to bite them in the arse at some point, it's unreasonable to expect an speedy economic turnaround after a lockdown. On the flip side, we also have to consider that a large part of the economic downturn was independent the lockdowns. Anecdotally you can look to businesses that were allowed to remain open during lockdown that still had massive decreases in traffic (like mine, about as "essential" as a business gets and we didn't even hit 50% of our usual numbers). Non-anecdotally you can look at countries that didn't lock down like Sweden who still face economic crisis. The thing is, if this happens and cases begin to skyrocket again and we have to go back into lock-down, either self-imposed or otherwise, the economic damage will be just as bad or worse and the pain will be prolonged. Which is why you shouldn't make public health decisions base on the demands of paid protestors.
May 21, 20205 yr 17 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: This is accurate and should be taken into consideration. As much as I dislike Kemp and think their approach is going to bite them in the arse at some point, it's unreasonable to expect an speedy economic turnaround after a lockdown. On the flip side, we also have to consider that a large part of the economic downturn was independent the lockdowns. Anecdotally you can look to businesses that were allowed to remain open during lockdown that still had massive decreases in traffic (like mine, about as "essential" as a business gets without involving food/water/electricity and we didn't even hit 50% of our usual numbers). Non-anecdotally you can look at countries that didn't lock down like Sweden who still face economic crisis. Yup. People who think that "opening back up” means going back to pre-pandemic economic activity are not factoring in dread risk. There are activities that people will be averse to participating in, and potentially for quite some time.
May 21, 20205 yr 14 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: The thing is, if this happens and cases begin to skyrocket again and we have to go back into lock-down, either self-imposed or otherwise, the economic damage will be just as bad or worse and the pain will be prolonged. Which is why you shouldn't make public health decisions base on the demands of paid protestors. True, but if cases don't then anyone who pushed to open earlier is going to take a massive victory lap. Unfortunately we just don't know what's going to happen going forward with regards to subsequent waves, the speed of a vaccine, effectiveness of testing etc. Just like the economic impacts the total health impacts aren't going to be well defined in the short-term. I have, what I believe to be well-founded opinions on what approaches are better, but the problem is complicated AF and I recognize fully that depending in how this virus acts long term that my ideas may turn out to be very very wrong.
May 21, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: This is accurate and should be taken into consideration. As much as I dislike Kemp and think their approach is going to bite them in the arse at some point, it's unreasonable to expect an speedy economic turnaround after a lockdown. On the flip side, we also have to consider that a large part of the economic downturn was independent the lockdowns. Anecdotally you can look to businesses that were allowed to remain open during lockdown that still had massive decreases in traffic (like mine, about as "essential" as a business gets without involving food/water/electricity and we didn't even hit 50% of our usual numbers). Non-anecdotally you can look at countries that didn't lock down like Sweden who still face economic crisis. I agree with most but I cant separate the downturn in traffic for some essential business from the shutdown. My business was allowed to stay open because we are a manufacturing equipment wholesaler. We manufacture overhead hoists and cranes that essential businesses need. We are slow because most of our customers are shutdown. One of my sons works for an aluminum foundry, they cut back to 24 hours shifts awhile back and are now completely shut down for at least two weeks. It’s a huge snowball effect. No doubt that our economy was going to take a huge hit even without the mandatory shut downs. I just think that most of what we did and are doing to help in the relatively short term, is going to come back to really bite us in the butt in the long term.
May 21, 20205 yr 32 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: The thing is, if this happens and cases begin to skyrocket again and we have to go back into lock-down, either self-imposed or otherwise, the economic damage will be just as bad or worse and the pain will be prolonged. Which is why you shouldn't make public health decisions base on the demands of paid protestors. Yes, if they skyrocket, but that assumes that everyone who wants to go back to work is represented by the reckless protesters, whether they were paid or not.
May 21, 20205 yr 26 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: I agree with most but I cant separate the downturn in traffic for some essential business from the shutdown. My business was allowed to stay open because we are a manufacturing equipment wholesaler. We manufacture overhead hoists and cranes that essential businesses need. We are slow because most of our customers are shutdown. One of my sons works for an aluminum foundry, they cut back to 24 hours shifts awhile back and are now completely shut down for at least two weeks. It’s a huge snowball effect. No doubt that our economy was going to take a huge hit even without the mandatory shut downs. I just think that most of what we did and are doing to help in the relatively short term, is going to come back to really bite us in the butt in the long term. I'd argue that there also could have been a snowball effect in infections/deaths as well if we did nothing as well given how stretched the ICUs have been in a some places. I'd also argue that the absolute worst case scenario from an economic standpoint would be if we reopened but did it so prematurely or without adequate testing/tracing that it forced a second lockdown. But again I also recognize a lot of this is guesswork that largely depends on as of now unknown future behavior of the virus. It's also tough to weigh hypothetical excess deaths/hospital burden impact vs hypothetical excess economic/societal impact. I'd say "time will tell" but I'm not even sure if that's really accurate.
May 21, 20205 yr And at about the same time Pelosi was urging people to visit Chinatown. Blood on her hands as well?
May 21, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, paco said: And at about the same time Pelosi was urging people to visit Chinatown. Blood on her hands as well? Sure, just a lot less, since she represents SF and the President represents the whole country.
May 21, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said: why do you hate small businesses so much ? I don't hate small business. I'm pointing out that the republican mantra doesn't fit. It's not fair 😭. Get your boot straps out and pull yourself up. If you can't compete then go out of business. Sorry, you are a fail. Apparently all big companies now have to do is inflate the wage market and it'll drive out all the small businesses. You all see like the type to defend the coal mines and the company store of yesteryear . Seriously if your margins are that thin then you are likely to fail anyway in any economic downturn so oh well. They aren't getting sympathy from me. Just like restaurants if they go out of business, which what 60% in year 1 do and 80% by year 5, then someone will replace it. Republicans love the life isn't fair BS well follow your own talk. This pandemic is proving a lot of things ends up timing and luck not some magical skill.
May 21, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Sure, just a lot less, since she represents SF and the President represents the whole country. I was going to go with "Sure, if that makes you feel better". Thank God she's not president, amiright?
May 21, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said: Yup. People who think that "opening back up” means going back to pre-pandemic economic activity are not factoring in dread risk. There are activities that people will be averse to participating in, and potentially for quite some time. Yea, opening up might be actually worse for some of these small businesses. I can't see bars/restaurants getting anywhere close to capacity for a year. Travel/leisure is going to be put on hold. Most everyone I know is planning to avoid most things. I'm not even going to rush out for a haircut once it opens and I LOL at the gym meatheads that are going to the petri dish there. Good luck. Many of the closed places are going to see significant decreases in traffic.
May 21, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, Ride the Walrus said: Yea, opening up might be actually worse for some of these small businesses. I can't see bars/restaurants getting anywhere close to capacity for a year. Travel/leisure is going to be put on hold. Most everyone I know is planning to avoid most things. I'm not even going to rush out for a haircut once it opens and I LOL at the gym meatheads that are going to the petri dish there. Good luck. Many of the closed places are going to see significant decreases in traffic. Yup, this going to e HUGE year for localized, nature tourism. Everything else is F'ed two ways and sideways.
May 21, 20205 yr 24 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: I'd argue that there also could have been a snowball effect in infections/deaths as well if we did nothing as well given how stretched the ICUs have been in a some places. I'd also argue that the absolute worst case scenario from an economic standpoint would be if we reopened but did it so prematurely or without adequate testing/tracing that it forced a second lockdown. But again I also recognize a lot of this is guesswork that largely depends on as of now unknown future behavior of the virus. It's also tough to weigh hypothetical excess deaths/hospital burden impact vs hypothetical excess economic/societal impact. I'd say "time will tell" but I'm not even sure if that's really accurate. I’m not saying that we should have done nothing. And though I would prefer zero mandatory shutdowns, it’s hard to make a case to have allowed restaurants and other businesses that rely on large amounts of people to operate like normal. I do think though, that most businesses would have done the right thing and made the necessary adjustments to make sure their customers and employees were safe. Yeah I know, not all of them, but not enough to justify punishing everyone. I trust a person who has a personal stake in their business and or livelihood to make better decisions than a person sitting in an office 10, 100, 1,000 miles away. I think it is forgotten that if the major sports organizations would have waited for the government to make their decision to shut down, it would have been too late. That is when I started to take this virus seriously.
May 21, 20205 yr 41 minutes ago, paco said: And at about the same time Pelosi was urging people to visit Chinatown. Blood on her hands as well? It's all Trumps fault in some eyes
May 21, 20205 yr 39 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Sure, just a lot less, since she represents SF and the President represents the whole country. She is the Speaker of the House, two steps from the presidency and you minimize her statements...
May 21, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, BBE said: She is the Speaker of the House, two steps from the presidency and you minimize her statements... Agreed. Pelosi's words are very heavy. Trump's words are even heavier.
May 21, 20205 yr 25 minutes ago, Ride the Walrus said: I don't hate small business. I'm pointing out that the republican mantra doesn't fit. It's not fair 😭. Get your boot straps out and pull yourself up. If you can't compete then go out of business. Sorry, you are a fail. Apparently all big companies now have to do is inflate the wage market and it'll drive out all the small businesses. You all see like the type to defend the coal mines and the company store of yesteryear . Seriously if your margins are that thin then you are likely to fail anyway in any economic downturn so oh well. They aren't getting sympathy from me. Just like restaurants if they go out of business, which what 60% in year 1 do and 80% by year 5, then someone will replace it. Republicans love the life isn't fair BS well follow your own talk. This pandemic is proving a lot of things ends up timing and luck not some magical skill. You are still missing the point that it’s not that these companies can’t compete with other private companies, it’s that they can’t compete with the governments endless supply of money. That’s not a free market, it’s cronyism which is not much different than socialism. And yes, when big companies, unions, the government, inflate wages, it drives out small businesses. Democrats love to cry about how the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and cry and wine when a private company uses their size to force out competition but don’t bat an eye when the biggest monopoly of all does it. It’s like a god delusion.
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