May 24, 20205 yr 7 hours ago, BBE said: As much basis as someone who says differently. And as someone with over a decade of experience in the biomedical sciences. But, maybe we should just defer to you, Paul. This makes you a pandemic expert? What, exactly, do you do? If we tested, quarantined and contact traced, exactly as the White House has been doing all along, the situation here would be much different. Instead the president and vice-president don't wear masks and give out horrific medical advice.
May 24, 20205 yr Daily update from the doc https://www.nothingbutthetruthmd.com/2020/05/52320-covid-19-update.html?m=1 HEALTHCARE WORKERS INFECTED BY SARS-CoV-2 JAMA Network May 21, 2020 Coronavirus Disease 2019 (Covid 2019) Infection among Healthcare Workers and Implications for Prevention Measures in a Tertiary Hospital in Wuhan China. The investigation took place at Tonji Hospital in Wuhan China. A 7000 bed (cannot begin to imagine a 7000 bed hospital) tertiary hospital. Of the 9684 healthcare workers 110 became infected with Covid-19, an infection rate of 1.1%. Most of the infected, 71.8% were females. It was appreciated that healthcare workers were at a high infection risk. The infection rate in the Wuhan public domain was 0.18%. This is a very low number. The infection rate, of mostly symptomatic patients, in the United States (that is the population that we have primarily tested) is 0.48%. I am somewhat skeptical of a basal rate of 0.18% Covid-19 positive patients in the public domain of Wuhan China. Of the 9684 healthcare workers, 3110 (32%) were considered first line workers, employed in fever clinics or wards with Covid-19 positive patients. Of these first line workers, 17 (0.54%) became infected. Of the non-first line workers 93 (1.4%) became infected. One healthcare worker out of the 110 covid-19 positive died. Main Infectious Source: 1. contact with indexed patients 50.1% 2. contact with infected colleagues 10.9% 3. community spread 12.4% Many of the healthcare workers were infected (60%) in the early stages of the epidemic when little was known and proper PPE was not worn. If you take this into consideration, it would appear that 10 healthcare first line workers became infected after the institution of proper PPE, bringing the infection rate to 0.32%. Of these infected first line healthcare workers, only 7.8 were infected by patient care transmission, ending with a 0.28% infection rate among first line healthcare workers, somewhat higher than that seen in the community. The findings of this presentation are consistent with the findings at Mass General Brigham Hospital which Dr. Gawande discussed. Illustrating yet again, the value of proper PPE, which, for a population at large where the prevalence rate of Covid-19 is anywhen from 1% to 6%, would be surgical masks when physical distancing of six feet is not possible. IS THIS A GOOD TIME TO DIET Obesity and Outcomes in Covid-19. When an Epidemic and a Pandemic Collide Dr. Carl Lavie Professor of Medicine Medical Director of Cardiac Rehabilitation University of Cleveland School of Medicine 42% of the American population as of 2018 had a BMI greater than 30 and 9% had a BMI greater than 40. We are aware of an increased representation of obese individuals in the Covid-19 positive population and that morbidity and mortality is increased in this group when infected with Covid-19. There are conditions associated with obesity that may predispose to an increased susceptibility to Covid-19 and also increased acuity of the disease: 1. Increased incidence of hypertension (associated with increased susceptibility to Covid-19) 2. Increased incidence of diabetes (associated with increases susceptibility to Covid-19) 3. Increased incidence of Congestive Heart Failure and Atrial Fibrillation exacerbating respiratory difficulties associated with Covid-19 4. Increased incidence of restrictive lung disease exacerbating pulmonary problems associated with Covid-19 5. Increased incidence of renal disease, complicating the course of the disease 6. An increased state of inflammation secondary to cytokines manufactured in adipose cells, increasing the acuity of disease. If you are over a BMI of 30, you are in a vulnerable population group and I strongly recommend that you wear a mask at all times when out in the public domain. Numbers: 1800 from the Hopkins website Tests - 342,418 tests over the last 48 hours USA - 1,617,838 (up 1.32%, down from 1.46% 1944 fewer new cases in the last 24 hours) New York - 359,926 (up 0.49%, up from 0.47%) New Jersey - 153.140 (up 0.36%, down from 0.67%, 466 fewer new cases than the day before) Pennsylvania - 70784 (up 0.81%, down from 1.38%, 386 fewer new caes than the day before) Maryland - 45,495 (up 2.40%, up from 2.95%) California - 90,778 (up 2.38% up from 1.33%) South Carolina - 9895 (up 5.47% up from 2.24%) Texas - 53,584 - (up 0.96% down from 1.74%, 398 fewer new cases than the day before) World - 5,280,743 (up 1.96%, down from 2.02% but over 100,000 new cases) Texas was up in hospital bed utilization. Have a good night, send this message to someone new please Thank you Live Safely Be Well
May 24, 20205 yr 9 hours ago, BBE said: As much basis as someone who says differently. And as someone with over a decade of experience in the biomedical sciences. But, maybe we should just defer to you, Paul. Oh yeah? Not to downplay your 'experience' but that does not make your opinion on how to handle this pandemic any more important. Especially since I've seen you offer very little aside from "nobody could have done better" which is nonsense. Lies and misinformation from this administration is a good place to start. I don't need any biomedical sciences experience to know that.
May 24, 20205 yr Column A - Nations with worse death rate per million than the USA San Marino Belgium Andorra Spain UK Italy France Sweden Sint Maarten Netherlands Ireland Column B - Nations with a better death rate per million than the USA Isle of Man Channel Islands Switzerland Montserrat Ecuador Luxembourg Canada Bermuda Portugal Brazil Peru Monaco Germany Denmark Iran Saint Martin Austria Mayotte Panama Moldova Romania Mexico Finland North Macedonia Turkey Slovenia Hungary Estonia World Bosnia and Herzegovina Norway Dominican Republic Kuwait Sao Tome and Principe Martinique Chile British Virgin Islands Guadeloupe Antigua and Barbuda Israel Czechia Iceland Aruba Bahamas Serbia Armenia Poland Liechtenstein Turks and Caicos UAE Russia Croatia Barbados Lithuania Belarus Bolivia Bulgaria Honduras Greece Cayman Islands Ukraine Colombia Algeria Cyprus Malta Montenegro Guyana Latvia Saudi Arabia Albania Argentina Djibouti Philippines Bahrain Equatorial Guinea Mauritius Qatar South Africa Egypt Oman Cuba Maldives Japan Afghanistan Cameroon Uruguay Trinidad and Tobago Curaçao Pakistan Indonesia S. Korea Morocco Azerbaijan Tajikistan Gabon El Salvador Slovakia Sierra Leone Cabo Verde Liberia Belize Singapore Malaysia Australia Iraq Somalia New Zealand Lebanon Tunisia Chad India China Bangladesh Sudan Guatemala Guinea-Bissau Mali **** Georgia Jamaica Congo Nicaragua French Guiana Kazakhstan Guinea Senegal Kyrgyzstan Costa Rica Haiti Paraguay Burkina Faso Eswatini Brunei Suriname Nigeria Ghana Ivory Coast Réunion Togo Mauritania Yemen Comoros Kenya Jordan Thailand DRC South Sudan Palestine Hong Kong Uzbekistan Sri Lanka Venezuela Zambia Tanzania Libya Botswana Gambia Taiwan Zimbabwe CAR Benin Malawi Syria Nepal Myanmar Angola Burundi Madagascar Ethiopia Diamond Princess Vietnam Rwanda Uganda Faeroe Islands Mozambique Gibraltar Mongolia Cambodia French Polynesia Macao Eritrea Bhutan Timor-Leste Grenada Namibia Laos Fiji New Caledonia Saint Lucia St. Vincent Grenadines Dominica Saint Kitts and Nevis Falkland Islands Vatican City Greenland Seychelles MS Zaandam Papua New Guinea Caribbean Netherlands St. Barth Western Sahara Anguilla Lesotho Saint Pierre Miquelon
May 24, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Toastrel said: Column A - Nations with worse death rate per million than the USA San Marino Belgium Andorra Spain UK Italy France Sweden Sint Maarten Netherlands Ireland Column B - Nations with a better death rate per million than the USA Isle of Man Channel Islands Switzerland Montserrat Ecuador Luxembourg Canada Bermuda Portugal Brazil Peru Monaco Germany Denmark Iran Saint Martin Austria Mayotte Panama Moldova Romania Mexico Finland North Macedonia Turkey Slovenia Hungary Estonia World Bosnia and Herzegovina Norway Dominican Republic Kuwait Sao Tome and Principe Martinique Chile British Virgin Islands Guadeloupe Antigua and Barbuda Israel Czechia Iceland Aruba Bahamas Serbia Armenia Poland Liechtenstein Turks and Caicos UAE Russia Croatia Barbados Lithuania Belarus Bolivia Bulgaria Honduras Greece Cayman Islands Ukraine Colombia Algeria Cyprus Malta Montenegro Guyana Latvia Saudi Arabia Albania Argentina Djibouti Philippines Bahrain Equatorial Guinea Mauritius Qatar South Africa Egypt Oman Cuba Maldives Japan Afghanistan Cameroon Uruguay Trinidad and Tobago Curaçao Pakistan Indonesia S. Korea Morocco Azerbaijan Tajikistan Gabon El Salvador Slovakia Sierra Leone Cabo Verde Liberia Belize Singapore Malaysia Australia Iraq Somalia New Zealand Lebanon Tunisia Chad India China Bangladesh Sudan Guatemala Guinea-Bissau Mali **** Georgia Jamaica Congo Nicaragua French Guiana Kazakhstan Guinea Senegal Kyrgyzstan Costa Rica Haiti Paraguay Burkina Faso Eswatini Brunei Suriname Nigeria Ghana Ivory Coast Réunion Togo Mauritania Yemen Comoros Kenya Jordan Thailand DRC South Sudan Palestine Hong Kong Uzbekistan Sri Lanka Venezuela Zambia Tanzania Libya Botswana Gambia Taiwan Zimbabwe CAR Benin Malawi Syria Nepal Myanmar Angola Burundi Madagascar Ethiopia Diamond Princess Vietnam Rwanda Uganda Faeroe Islands Mozambique Gibraltar Mongolia Cambodia French Polynesia Macao Eritrea Bhutan Timor-Leste Grenada Namibia Laos Fiji New Caledonia Saint Lucia St. Vincent Grenadines Dominica Saint Kitts and Nevis Falkland Islands Vatican City Greenland Seychelles MS Zaandam Papua New Guinea Caribbean Netherlands St. Barth Western Sahara Anguilla Lesotho Saint Pierre Miquelon meh
May 24, 20205 yr 11 hours ago, BBE said: As much basis as someone who says differently. And as someone with over a decade of experience in the biomedical sciences. But, maybe we should just defer to you, Paul. I’ll take appeals to authority for $2,000 Alex.
May 24, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: meh I mean, China even being in that list at all is a stretch.
May 24, 20205 yr So does that mean you believe the numbers from other countries? Southern Maryland had a huge car meet last night that was broken up by police. Possibly around 500 cars
May 24, 20205 yr 58 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: So does that mean you believe the numbers from other countries? Southern Maryland had a huge car meet last night that was broken up by police. Possibly around 500 cars That’s happened 3 or 4 times in redneck parts of Sweden in the last week or so.
May 24, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Paul852 said: I mean, China even being in that list at all is a stretch. I trust no ones numbers.
May 24, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, Paul852 said: Oh yeah? Not to downplay your 'experience' but that does not make your opinion on how to handle this pandemic any more important. Especially since I've seen you offer very little aside from "nobody could have done better" which is nonsense. Lies and misinformation from this administration is a good place to start. I don't need any biomedical sciences experience to know that. Ok, Paul. This distills to " your experience means nothing because the administration lies". While Toaster bases his opinion on one statistic that does not account for any other variables such as age demographics, general health or anything but death rate. Everybody should just let their politics rule their opinion.
May 24, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, BBE said: Ok, Paul. This distills to " your experience means nothing because the administration lies". While Toaster bases his opinion on one statistic that does not account for any other variables such as age demographics, general health or anything but death rate. Everybody should just let their politics rule their opinion. You should preface "I work in biomedical research” with "I ride Trump’s jock.”
May 24, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, Paul852 said: Oh yeah? Not to downplay your 'experience' but that does not make your opinion on how to handle this pandemic any more important. Especially since I've seen you offer very little aside from "nobody could have done better" which is nonsense. Lies and misinformation from this administration is a good place to start. I don't need any biomedical sciences experience to know that. Oh and for years in the old forum, I have stated how broken the FDA approval process was and how the FDA has routinely refused to approve anything based on approval by other nations regulatory bodies. (Hint: This magnified the mistake on tests made by CDC). Second, the majority of facilities that produce the materials for tests are in Asia. That is the next very important issue because the tests being made we soaked up by those countries. Essentially the cupboard was laid bare for any administration which limits what can be done. 1 minute ago, Dave Moss said: You should preface "I work in biomedical research” with "I ride Trump’s jock.” No, because I have stated Trump mishandled this every time.
May 24, 20205 yr 15 hours ago, Mike030270 said: crap. Apparently NC had a spike in confirmed cases that is the highest it's ever had. You should have expected reports like the above, not because it's true but because they (Bill Gates and Co.) want total control over the population and the only way they can get control is to scare the sheet out of the population, so expect to hear more outrageous spike numbers by those states that entered Phase 1 early...............BOOO!!!
May 24, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, BBE said: No, because I have stated Trump mishandled this every time. Then why argue the death toll would have been the same regardless? It’s the defense from people who still revere Dear Leader despite his incompetent leadership.
May 24, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, EagleVA said: You should have expected reports like the above, not because it's true but because they (Bill Gates and Co.) want total control over the population and the only way they can get control is to scare the sheet out of the population, so expect to hear more outrageous spike numbers by those states that entered Phase 1 early...............BOOO!!! I honestly think you do this for S&G 🤷♂️
May 24, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, EagleVA said: You should have expected reports like the above, not because it's true but because they (Bill Gates and Co.) want total control over the population and the only way they can get control is to scare the sheet out of the population, so expect to hear more outrageous spike numbers by those states that entered Phase 1 early...............BOOO!!! Maybe we should just round up all the COVID positive people and drive them off the edge of the earth
May 24, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said: That’s happened 3 or 4 times in redneck parts of Sweden in the last week or so. For some reason it brings me so much joy knowing other countries have rednecks. Part of my wife's family is from the black forest and when we went to visit it basically felt like a more scenic central PA.
May 24, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Mike030270 said: I honestly think you do this for S&G 🤷♂️ 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said: Maybe we should just round up all the COVID positive people and drive them off the edge of the earth Meet Bill Gates
May 24, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, EagleVA said: Meet Bill Gates You saying Bill Gates is a flat earther?
May 24, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, EagleVA said: Meet Bill Gates I still think you do this just to F with everyone
May 24, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said: Maybe we should just round up all the COVID positive people and drive them off the edge of the earth Catapult them into the firmament. They will look like the love bugs on my car windshield
May 24, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, BBE said: Oh and for years in the old forum, I have stated how broken the FDA approval process was and how the FDA has routinely refused to approve anything based on approval by other nations regulatory bodies. (Hint: This magnified the mistake on tests made by CDC). Second, the majority of facilities that produce the materials for tests are in Asia. That is the next very important issue because the tests being made we soaked up by those countries. Essentially the cupboard was laid bare for any administration which limits what can be done. No, because I have stated Trump mishandled this every time. I've heard this somewhere before
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