2 hours ago, The_Omega said:

Give up a guy who can play D, but won’t shoot, for a guy who can, and will, shoot the lights out, but won’t play D? I’ve never been a big fan of Harden’s style of play, but there’s no denying his ability to score.

It's hard to deny his fit with Embiid on the floor too.  The spacing those 2 would create would be unbelievable and good for everyone else too.  The back of my mind would always be worried that Ben will reach his ceiling somewhere else.  Now that I'm thinking about it, wouldn't it be in our fates to see Ben Simmons and Carson Wentz leave Philly and absolutely dominate somewhere else?  

53 minutes ago, hputenis said:

It's hard to deny his fit with Embiid on the floor too.  The spacing those 2 would create would be unbelievable and good for everyone else too.  The back of my mind would always be worried that Ben will reach his ceiling somewhere else.  Now that I'm thinking about it, wouldn't it be in our fates to see Ben Simmons and Carson Wentz leave Philly and absolutely dominate somewhere else?  

I dont think Simmons and Wentz are a good pair. Plus, Wentz plays no defense. 

1 hour ago, hputenis said:

It's hard to deny his fit with Embiid on the floor too.  The spacing those 2 would create would be unbelievable and good for everyone else too.  The back of my mind would always be worried that Ben will reach his ceiling somewhere else.  Now that I'm thinking about it, wouldn't it be in our fates to see Ben Simmons and Carson Wentz leave Philly and absolutely dominate somewhere else?  

Legit title contenders and favorites in the East. 

Go look at others players by the 3rd year they start to peak. Ben has had the same exact stats every single year. He is using basketball to live his life, he doesn't love the game like Lebron, Kobe, Giannis, Russ do. 

10 hours ago, Gannan said:

It's a bummer that there's no Christmas game this year. 

Don’t feel bad there’s no hannukah game either. 

2 hours ago, hputenis said:

It's hard to deny his fit with Embiid on the floor too.  The spacing those 2 would create would be unbelievable and good for everyone else too.  The back of my mind would always be worried that Ben will reach his ceiling somewhere else.  Now that I'm thinking about it, wouldn't it be in our fates to see Ben Simmons and Carson Wentz leave Philly and absolutely dominate somewhere else?  

Would be the ultimate Philadelphia thing to happen. 

9 hours ago, Blazehound said:

We do t ha

Morey said he has no intention of breaking up Simmons and Joel. Don’t see it happening this offseason. 

Would Harris, Maxey, Shake and some future unprotected firsts get it done? Probably not.

If I’m the sixers and nets, the longer this drags out the less leverage Houston has. Especially if James Harden just doesn’t go there or show up and pulls a Kawhi. The only two teams involved in trading for James Harden are the sixers and nets. I tend to believe he goes to one of them and the longer this goes on the less I think they’re going to get in return. I think Houston caves at some point

Is harden as good of a fit with embiid as you think? Harden thrives because he can run and jack tons of shots due to no other offensive threat. He's over 40% on iso/step back 3s; he's under 30% on catch and shoot. Maybe he wouldn't be as good with embiid as he is on his own. 

 

When the dario, roco,jj,embiid, and simmons lineup was statistically the best lineup in the NBA a few years ago, it worked because all of those guys are high catch and shoot 3pt shooters. All over 37%. 

5 hours ago, ggs5008 said:

Is harden as good of a fit with embiid as you think? Harden thrives because he can run and jack tons of shots due to no other offensive threat. He's over 40% on iso/step back 3s; he's under 30% on catch and shoot. Maybe he wouldn't be as good with embiid as he is on his own. 

Do you think that trade will happen anyway?

6 hours ago, ggs5008 said:

Is harden as good of a fit with embiid as you think? Harden thrives because he can run and jack tons of shots due to no other offensive threat. He's over 40% on iso/step back 3s; he's under 30% on catch and shoot. Maybe he wouldn't be as good with embiid as he is on his own. 

 

When the dario, roco,jj,embiid, and simmons lineup was statistically the best lineup in the NBA a few years ago, it worked because all of those guys are high catch and shoot 3pt shooters. All over 37%. 

I agree I don't think he is a fit. Embiid won't keep pace with hardens up and down launching 3's and his iso to get to the paint to draw fouls. All I see this doing is forcing Embiid back outside the paint again or not getting down the court before harden launches a shot. 

Whatever happens with Harden, it's obvious that we're seeing immediate benefits from having hired Morey.  How many perennial MVP candidates were talking about wanting to be traded here before the hire?  Philly was not exactly a desired destination.

9 hours ago, ggs5008 said:

Is harden as good of a fit with embiid as you think? Harden thrives because he can run and jack tons of shots due to no other offensive threat. He's over 40% on iso/step back 3s; he's under 30% on catch and shoot. Maybe he wouldn't be as good with embiid as he is on his own. 

 

When the dario, roco,jj,embiid, and simmons lineup was statistically the best lineup in the NBA a few years ago, it worked because all of those guys are high catch and shoot 3pt shooters. All over 37%. 

Why would Harden be in catch and shoot situations with the ball in his hands? Run variations of a pick and roll with Embiid not the BB special of handing it off to Redick.

i hate watching harden play. on paper, he does exactly what you'd want from someone playing alongside jo....but i can't stand him. 

i can't stand ben refusing to shoot the ball either. 

we're in a lose/lose here, folks.    

13 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

i hate watching harden play. on paper, he does exactly what you'd want from someone playing alongside jo....but i can't stand him. 

i can't stand ben refusing to shoot the ball either. 

we're in a lose/lose here, folks.    

this is where im at on it. 

 

the point was made earlier though, the longer this drags out, the less leverage Houston has. 

7 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

this is where im at on it. 

 

the point was made earlier though, the longer this drags out, the less leverage Houston has. 

yeah...i mean, if you can get harden w/o giving up simmons or embiid...sure. i don't think they can though. short of that, i guess keep ben for now...maybe a better deal presents itself later on for a player who isn't as much of an unwatchable ahole as harden.

I still think this may be Philly telling Houston Simmons is by far their best return for Harden and they won't add significantly more.  I'd probably make the trade straight up.  I feel like if Simmons is really off the board, then other teams can put together more desirable deals than we can.

I get what you mean about his playing style but nothing is more boring than watching a close game get late knowing you have no one to take the ball on the last few possessions or watch the offense reset 3 times in one half court possession because no one can get their own shot.

Him and Jo on the same team would be a boatload of free throw watching.  There will also be nights where both freak out and the offense stalls because the refs aren't giving them calls.

Didn’t harden report to camp anyway?

1 hour ago, mikemack8 said:

Didn’t harden report to camp anyway?

Yeah but obviously still wants out.

I’m with most everyone else - be awesome to have a scorer like that but his style of play is the most obnoxious to watch.  The flopping around is ridiculous 

I think I could watch Harden play here for a few years. Im pretty certain Ben annoys me more than Harden would because at least you get a true elite player with the annoyances. Ben has a frustrating style, and compounds the frustrations with things like.... turnovers. 

What bothers me about Harden is his beard. I literally cant stand it. I dont hate anyone elses beard. Plenty of big ones out there similar to his.  Theres just something about his that grosses me out. I think its too thick. Along with the shape of it or something... cant quite put my finger on it but I hate his beard. Would be hard to look at while watching him play almost every night. 

8 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think I could watch Harden play here for a few years. Im pretty certain Ben annoys me more than Harden would because at least you get a true elite player with the annoyances. Ben has a frustrating style, and compounds the frustrations with things like.... turnovers. 

What bothers me about Harden is his beard. I literally cant stand it. I dont hate anyone elses beard. Plenty of big ones out there similar to his.  Theres just something about his that grosses me out. I think its too thick. Along with the shape of it or something... cant quite put my finger on it but I hate his beard. Would be hard to look at while watching him play almost every night. 

What is it that makes Harden turning the ball over more than Simmons that's so much better? The scoring ability? 

1 hour ago, 20dawk4life said:

What is it that makes Harden turning the ball over more than Simmons that's so much better? The scoring ability? 

He can shoot a basketball, kind of important 

2 hours ago, 20dawk4life said:

What is it that makes Harden turning the ball over more than Simmons that's so much better? The scoring ability? 

One guy scores 16 points a game, does not need to be guarded in the half court if he is more than 15 feet away from the basket and turns the ball over.  The second guy scores 34 points per game, must be guarded beyond the 3 point line and turns the ball over.  Quite different.

DHO is back on the menu, now with more movement.

50 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

One guy scores 16 points a game, does not need to be guarded in the half court if he is more than 15 feet away from the basket and turns the ball over.  The second guy scores 34 points per game, must be guarded beyond the 3 point line and turns the ball over.  Quite different.

Both turn the ball over at a high rate and really ZERO comparison basketball wise. 

Bum

Harden

3 hours ago, 20dawk4life said:

What is it that makes Harden turning the ball over more than Simmons that's so much better? The scoring ability? 

Yep.  And not picking up his dribble and turning his back to the basket constantly like junior high girls do when they play. 

Harden now willing to move to Bucks, Heat as well