Wait... actually I remember reading the MRI was clean. 

He probably doesn't need that long off. Nor surgery if he didn't tear the Patellofemoral ligament. They would have seen that on MRI.

indefinitely doesn't need to be too long.

He probably just doesn't want to play these useless games. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 a great player would have to want to come here and sign long term deal here. And to keep him likely need to get another great player to team up otherwise I’m guessing he probably leaves for greener pastures like most stars do. 

i get the plan but it’s much harder to get a great player to come to philly and want to stay without another great player. You basically would have to acquire two great players who want to team up. Not impossible but it is easier to say that then actually accomplish that feat. 

Then we will be where we are now. No great players. 

But at least we might have good players and depth who all fit together and play well consistently. Thatd be really nice. 

5 minutes ago, Shocker54 said:

Yo imma say sumthin. I wanna see dis being Embiid team without Ben. Days could be better

Yeah.  That sounds great till Embiid misses 25 games again and gives minimal effort in about 45 others and looks sluggish by playoff time. That's an accurate descriptor of his prime years that we ate exploring right now. Not a great keystone to build around. 

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Then we will be where we are now. No great players. 

But at least we might have good players and depth who all fit together and play well consistently. Thatd be really nice. 

Play well and consistent but not talented enough to win a title as a 5 seed. Either way you’ve accomplished the same goal of not winning a championship and prolonging an eventual tank rebuild  

Honestly rather just use those good players to acquire more assets, eventual cap space and tank. The odds we trade or sign a great player in free agency is lesser than hitting in the draft as we have seen over the last 2 decades in philly

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

horford has negative value, imo. there was an article a couple months ago with 5 made up horford trade scenarios.  personally, i think the writers were being way too optimistic.  

 

https://thesixersense.com/2020/05/28/philadelphia-76ers-5-potential-trade-destinations-for-al-horford/

Hahaha.  These writers are waaay too optimistic.  I would do everyone of those trades yesterday.  

3 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Hahaha.  These writers are waaay too optimistic.  I would do everyone of those trades yesterday.  

Wiggins contract is really bad and increases in number every year. Horford goes the opposite direction. If we had better player development I’d take risk with Wiggins. The rest of the deals I’d do. Although not in love with the rockets and bulls deal. 

i think the sixers would have to add in some younger talent and/or a pick to get a team to take on horford.  maybe package j-rich & horford.  if not j-rich, one of shake, mattise, or kork.  

5 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

i think the sixers would have to add in some younger talent and/or a pick to get a team to take on horford.  maybe package j-rich & horford.  if not j-rich, one of shake, mattise, or kork.  

Same feeling. I think rich you lose value cause he’s a year away from free agency. If you did it this year at the deadline had more value as they had half a season and all next year of rich. I feel more teams would ask for thybulle over rich knowing he’s gonna be a free agent at the end of 2020-2021 season unless they were going to sign him before free agency. Not sure why rich would do that and not test the market. 

26 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Play well and consistent but not talented enough to win a title as a 5 seed. Either way you’ve accomplished the same goal of not winning a championship and prolonging an eventual tank rebuild  

Honestly rather just use those good players to acquire more assets, eventual cap space and tank. The odds we trade or sign a great player in free agency is lesser than hitting in the draft as we have seen over the last 2 decades in philly

You can do that. Either way, to get to doing that you blow this crap team up by trading Ben and Joel, and wishful thinking Horford too. 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

You can do that. Either way, to get to doing that you blow this crap team up by trading Ben and Joel, and wishful thinking Horford too. 

I think we are basically stuck with horford until he becomes an expiring contract in 2 years. Slight hope if some team is dumb or really wants Richardson and will take both of we take bad contracts back that are close to expiring. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think we are basically stuck with horford until he becomes an expiring contract in 2 years. 

yeah most likely. But Ill still trade both Ben and Joel if deals are there. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

yeah most likely. But Ill still trade both Ben and Joel if deals are there. 

Oh i would too. It just blows horford has to be here cause he’s not good and bad contract. 

yep

i think the 76ers' scouts only watch their own games.  both boban & horford gave embiid fits...and then the sixers' front office went out & got them. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Oh i would too. It just blows horford has to be here cause he’s not good and bad contract. 

he's had an abysmal regular season & his contract stinks...but i think al will play a little better in the playoffs where his experience & physical style of play will help in the halfcourt. 

10 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

he's had an abysmal regular season & his contract stinks...but i think al will play a little better in the playoffs where his experience & physical style of play will help in the halfcourt. 

I hope you are right. But no Ben it might actually benefit him. One of his best games was when Ben was suspended and he went off against Phoenix. 

Something to consider with Ben's injury. Whether he has surgery or not he will surely be leaving the bubble for an opinion or 2 or 3.

The NBAs perceived risk of his travel situation will determine the length of his re-quarantine.

If he boards a plane and flying himself with maybe a trainer they may fly commercially that may end up being a 10 day quarantine.

So even if he has no surgery and opts for rehab with the medical staff, you can add 10 days to his time out of competition until he can get in to the training room again to begin rehab.

 

If its a 4 week rehab/recovery injury, you can probably automatically call it a 5.5 week injury with the quarantine included.

 

2 hours ago, mr_hunt said:

i think the 76ers' scouts only watch their own games.  both boban & horford gave embiid fits...and then the sixers' front office went out & got them. 

Sounds like Bill O'Brien from the Texans. 

 

 

Satoransky/Schroder

LaVine/Shake

Harris/Thybullle

Gallo/Bazley

Horford/Nerlens/Pelle

 

The simmons trade will work in the summer when his extension kicks in. Thats a perfect 29M for 29M salary matching trade.

Regardless the specifics dont matter. Im not banging the table for either of these trades specifically. It was just done quickly for illustrative purposes of a concept.

 

Im not gonna start doing a ton of these. Yet. The purpose of this one is to illustrate the kind of roster I am imagining when I say the volume of players and picks we can get, can result in a far better team even if you dont get an individual as good as Ben or Joel in return on their trades.

 

That team has defenders. It has shot creators. It has 3 point shooting. It has ball handlers. It has rim protection and athleticism in the front court to keep up with the pace of todays game.

If you ask me, that team is 100x better than what we have now with 2 pseudo-superstars. Ill take the plethora of good players and depth over our top heavy construction any day.

And this doesnt even account for picks which should be plentiful from both of those trades. 

Give me an offseason like that with a new coach and this team is going places. 

 

That team is fighting for the 6th seed every year. You need one star to do anything in this league and that team has zero. Trade one or the other and build around them until it doesn't work. The pieces are in place to build around Joel. 

Not sure why all this love for Zach, but he gets his own, does little for his teammates, and is not good defensively. 

Defensive RAPTOR places him 190th out of 250 qualified players, Real Plus/Minus ranks him 69th out of 83 point guards, and ranks 129th of 197 players in BPM. 

https://hoopshabit.com/2020/02/28/chicago-bulls-zach-lavine-overrated/

what a turrible trade  that team is garbage.

Yeah honestly as frustrating as the current team can be, I’m not doing that trade. 
 

I really don’t see trading both, and Ben is near impossible to build around. You need to keep Embiid, trade Simmons, and try to make a big push to put a couple shooters/scorers around Embiid for the next 3 years or so (in an ideal world the Simmons trade nets us a legit PG), because I think that is the window we realistically have before Embiid’s skills start to slide. 

Again,  the specific players in that trade is completely besides the point.  Substitute abby name with another of your choosing.  The point is, a team with that level of depth is going to be really,  really good. 

And what's not included in the post is accounting for the effect of a new coach with an actual offense,  an MLE free agent signing, and all the picks that would be included in those trades. 

 

It's a good team. But it's also a treasure grove of assets again. So now,  you can try to get your support star again.  Assets re-stocked. Without needing years of tanking process.

37 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Again,  the specific players in that trade is completely besides the point.  Substitute abby name with another of your choosing.  The point is, a team with that level of depth is going to be really,  really good. 

And what's not included in the post is accounting for the effect of a new coach with an actual offense,  abs all the picks that would be included in those trades. 

 

It's a good team. But it's also a treasure grove of assets again. So now,  you can try to get your support star again.  Assets re-stocked. Without needing years of tanking process.

I understand where you’re coming from, but we have seen that having some high picks doesn’t automatically translate to landing can’t miss superstars. I think the better move is to keep Embiid, trade Simmons for picks or a PG plus a pick, and build around that. It’s far from guaranteed that the picks you get by trading both will get you even one player as good as Embiid. 
 

I guess I just don’t think this team is as far off as you do. There are weaknesses for sure (one glaring one being Brett Brown), but there is a solid enough base that just a few tweaks could make them contenders. I fully believe that Embiid can be a centerpiece of the team, with shooters/scorers out around him.  
 

I will be interested to see how the team looks without Simmons in the lineup for the foreseeable future. My gut tells me that it actually BENEFITS Embiid’s game to not have the offensive black hole known as Ben Simmons Fing up the spacing. And ultimately, I want to see what this team looks like with a real PG, Embiid, and a new coach. 

If I blow this up, I'm going back to Hinkie to do it!!!  Not kidding......