2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Malcolm Brogdon is not available.  He would be my number 1 want though.

why are you saying this?

9 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

you don't want 3 pf's in the starting lineup...plus jojo?     

 

11 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

You mentioned you didn't want to unload the clip for Lowry.  Lowry has more impact than trading for those two and gives us a much better shot a title this year while still keeping Thybulle.

Also, if Thybulle becomes even 75% of Gordon, which is very realistic, he is getting paid 2.8 next year, 4.3 the following and a 6.2 qualifying the year after.  All he has to do is become an average 3 point shooter and he will nearly as good as Gordon for 20% of the cost.  And then you would need to re-sign Fournier for who knows how much.

Thybulle might never become that three point shooter. He’s already 24. Aaron Gordon is 25 and already there and still improving. Also this he’s strictly a PF is not true  he plays 3-5. Small ball center. Power forward and SF. he guards 1-5 on the floor  

also doesn’t matter you don’t have cap space to go into free agency and sign anyone. So Fournier you get in a trade and can re-sign going over the cap to do it cause he’s already on the roster. With harris, Simmons and embiid making more than the cap they can’t go into free agency and just sign someone. So getting Fournier now is likely a better pickup then what you are signing in free agency. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

why are you saying this?

Because it is true.  They were just gauging his trade value for the future, possibly the off-season.

Just now, Khani1 said:

Because it is true.  They were just gauging his trade value for the future, possibly the off-season.

Idiots.

this is the first season...actually 24 games....gordon has shot over 35% on threes. and thybulle is much, much better on d.  imo, gordon is tobi light.  what the sixers really need is a guy who can create & run the offense w/o being a complete non-shooter who kills their spacing or gets destroyed on d.  

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Thybulle might never become that three point shooter. He’s already 24. Aaron Gordon is 25 and already there and still improving. 

also doesn’t matter you don’t have cap space to go into free agency and sign anyone. So Fournier you get in a trade and can re-sign going over the cap to do it cause he’s already on the roster. With harris, Simmons and embiid making more than the cap they can’t go into free agency and just sign someone. So getting Fournier now is likely a better pickup then what you are signing in free agency. 

I'd allocate and spend our cap dollars much differently.  Those two guys don't take this team to the next level but they tie up all the the money.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Thybulle might never become that three point shooter. He’s already 24. Aaron Gordon is 25 and already there and still improving. 

Why can Gordon improve his shooting at age 25 but Thybulle can't at 24?  One has been in the league 2 years, the other 7.

I would rather go after Lonzo and give up a lot less less than send the farm for Gordon and Fournier.

just heard on siriusxm nba radio that boston is offering two 1st round picks and "a young player" for gordon & fournier. i have no idea how that works salary-wise...but that's what they just said. 

3 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Why can Gordon improve his shooting at age 25 but Thybulle can't at 24?

It took Gordon 7 nba seasons to get to 39 percent. You waiting potentially 5 more years so that thybulle can get to that point. Gordon didn’t do it overnight. Also Gordon came into the nba at 19 and was ahead of where thybulle was when he came into the league on the offensive end at 22/23. Gordon’s always had a higher ceiling. It’s why he went lottery. Add on he was one of the best HS players in his class. 

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

Why can Gordon improve his shooting at age 25 but Thybulle can't at 24?

Gordon came in the the league young and has improved his game over years.

Thybulle came in old and undeveloped. The general expectation is that, that those players stay that way.

That is why senior players go much lower in the draft. If teams expected there to be lots of growth potential at age 24, seniors would still be able to be early picks. But generally, that does not happen.

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

just heard on siriusxm nba radio that boston is offering two 1st round picks and "a young player" for gordon & fournier. i have no idea how that works salary-wise...but that's what they just said. 

Thats a nice deal for Boston. But they like to lowball. Would hope they cant get those 2 for that price and if they do would hope we would be trying to outbid. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Gordon came in the the league young and has improved his game over years.

Thybulle came in old and undeveloped. The general expectation is that, that those players stay that way.

That is why senior players go much lower in the draft. If teams expected there to be lots of growth potential at age 24, seniors would still be able to be early picks. But generally, that does not happen.

This. Thank you. Gordon not only improved his shooting threes to 39 percent but he’s also a freak athlete on top of that. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It took Gordon 7 nba seasons to get to 39 percent. You waiting potentially 5 more years so that thybulle can get to that point. Gordon didn’t do it overnight. Also Gordon came into the nba at 19 and was ahead of where thybulle was when he came into the league on the offensive end at 22/23. Gordon’s always had a higher ceiling. It’s why he went lottery. Add on he was one of the best HS players in his class. 

Why is he on the trade block then if he is still young and supposedly so good?

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Gordon came in the the league young and has improved his game over years.

Thybulle came in old and undeveloped. The general expectation is that, that those players stay that way.

That is why senior players go much lower in the draft. If teams expected there to be lots of growth potential at age 24, seniors would still be able to be early picks. But generally, that does not happen.

I don't think he has hit his ceiling with his worth ethic.  He also now knows his role since Brett Clown is gone.  I'm not giving him up for Gordon.  I would be willing to include him for someone much better.

5 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

just heard on siriusxm nba radio that boston is offering two 1st round picks and "a young player" for gordon & fournier. i have no idea how that works salary-wise...but that's what they just said. 

They have some big trade exceptions.  I believe they can absorb either of those contracts with the Hayward exception.

Hopefully Boston trades for Gordon and Fournier.  That's a win for us.

Just now, Khani1 said:

Why is he on the trade block then if he is still young and supposedly so good?

he asked to be traded out of Orlando cause they stink and he’s unhappy. I can tel you from Arizona coaches he’s wanted out since last year due to their poor roster construction and team not going anywhere. Same reason why vucevic asked to be traded out too. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This. Thank you. Gordon not only improved his shooting threes to 39 percent but he’s also a freak athlete on top of that. 

i like gordon but i don't really see how he fits on the sixers. he's another combo forward...like harris. it's not like he's a creator either. 

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

i like gordon but i don't really see how he fits on the sixers. he's another combo forward...like harris. it's not like he's a creator either. 

And that is whole other issue.

Just now, mr_hunt said:

i like gordon but i don't really see how he fits on the sixers. he's another combo forward...like harris. it's not like he's a creator either. 

I don’t think they make that deal to begin with. However i wouldn’t be opposed to it cause thybulle isnt a creator either. And i love thybulle. 

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

And that is whole other issue.

Cause thybulle is a creator? 

3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

i like gordon but i don't really see how he fits on the sixers. he's another combo forward...like harris. it's not like he's a creator either. 

But when you look at the lineup is it better with Danny Green in it? Or is it better with Gordon in it? He can still defend, permieter and rim. And he can still space the floor. Hes a more capable scrorer. It appears to be an upgrade. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think they make that deal to begin with. However i wouldn’t be opposed to it cause thybulle isnt a creator either. And i love thybulle. 

Cause thybulle is a creator? 

No because Thybulle actually fits on this team for pennies.

By the way, what are you pay Fournier in his next contract?

22 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

this is the first season...actually 24 games....gordon has shot over 35% on threes. and thybulle is much, much better on d.  imo, gordon is tobi light.  what the sixers really need is a guy who can create & run the offense w/o being a complete non-shooter who kills their spacing or gets destroyed on d.  

 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think they make that deal to begin with. However i wouldn’t be opposed to it cause thybulle isnt a creator either. And i love thybulle. 

Cause thybulle is a creator? 

Bolded is Hunt's stance and it happens to be mine also.  It's not Gordon vs Thybulle.  It's about someone that can take the rock over if Ben is struggling and run the offense while not being a defensive sieve.  It's why Lowry would be a perfect fit but obviously age, contract and compensation come into play with him.

Just now, rambo said:

 

Bolded is Hunt's stance and it happens to be mine also.  It's not Gordon vs Thybulle.  It's about someone that can take the rock over if Ben is struggling and run the offense while not being a defensive sieve.  It's why Lowry would be a perfect fit.

but why act as though its 1 move and done? In this discussion about Gordon, you trade for him, and then get George Hill on buyout. Or Delon Wright....

I dont think anyone has tried to pitch Gordon as the catch-all solution to all of this teams shortcomings. 

Theres only one of those guys maybe available and thats Rozier. Hes the defender, who can create his own shot, handle the ball at PG, and still hit 3s.  Other than that, this team needs 2-3 separate moves. 

Lets land our big fish, whether thats Lowry, Grant, Gordon, whoever... and then see what happens in the buyout market, or with another smaller trade using our exception, or 2nd round picks.