grant is another 3/4 who couldn't shoot his entire career until this year....oh and his shooting % has gone down every month of this season.

 

 

2 minutes ago, rambo said:

 

Bolded is Hunt's stance and it happens to be mine also.  It's not Gordon vs Thybulle.  It's about someone that can take the rock over if Ben is struggling and run the offense while not being a defensive sieve.  It's why Lowry would be a perfect fit but obviously age, contract and compensation come into play with him.

I don’t disagree they need that. However if you are asking me which player i rather take long term and better between thybulle and Gordon it’s Gordon. He can do what thybulle does 1-5 defensively and is a better shooter and an elite athlete. 

Heck i could try for Gordon and ross in a deal since Orlando is selling. I get that guard you want and i upgrade form green. I know people didn’t watch Gordon at Arizona but the Wildcats had 2 bigs in Ashley and zeus who’s couldn’t play any other position besides 4 and 5. Arizona played him at SF with TJ. They did that cause of his versatility. He’s also improved his shot since then and he’s better ball handling then 7 years ago. 

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

grant is another 3/4 who couldn't shoot his entire career until this year....oh and his shooting % has gone down every month of this season.

 

 

when he started scoring 25ppg he was bound to get defended differently. Surely hes not used to that. Here, teams wouldnt be able to devote the same kind of attention to him. Id expect his shooting % to go back up. 

3 minutes ago, rambo said:

It's not Gordon vs Thybulle.

I did not mean for this year.  I meant for the future.  In either case, Gordon and Fournier (who also has to be re-signed for probably 22 million per year for 4-5 years after this season) do not make us title contenders.  In this trade, Maxey, Thybulle, Green plus picks are gone.

That is why I said I prefer Lowry if we are going to give up that many assets because he at least makes us a title contender for this year.

Lonzo Ball is the cheapest route if you want to make the team better for now and the future.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

but why act as though its 1 move and done?

I was reacting to the trade that was proposed.  If you wanna trade for Gordon and not include both Maxey and Thybulle, and then do a secondary trade, I am fine with that.  But trading for those two and then having to re-sign Fournier for his next contract is just stupid.

18 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

No because Thybulle actually fits on this team for pennies.

By the way, what are you pay Fournier in his next contract?

So a guy who shoots better from 3 by a lot, gives you better spacing, better scorer, better rebounder and can guard 1-5 where thybulle can’t guard power forwards or centers doesn’t fit? That’s bs. This isn’t just from me this is from college coaches who’ve talked to nba scouts and scouted Gordon since high school.

The reason why i know his is cause Gordon went to Arizona. And thybulle played in the pac 12 against Arizona. so have had coaches talk to me about both of them. The scouting report Arizona would use with thybulle has been make him put it on the floor cause his ball handling was mediocre and force him to shoot it from the perimeter cause he’s not consistent. That has yet to change after 4 years of college and now 2 years in the nba. Also cause i know people didn’t watch Arizona. Gordon played the 3 position cause Arizona had Brandon Ashley and kaleb tarczuski who could only play 4 and 5 positions. So he’s played SF in college. And i know Orlando when bamba was healthy and vucevic played 4 and 5 they moved him to SF. So this theory he’s just a PF isn’t true. His elite athleticism and his developed shot allows for him to play the 3 just like Danny green except better. 

also Fournier even if he leaves i can sign and trade him and get assets back. You fail to realize the sixers don’t have cap space. They can’t just go sign guys in free agency due to being over the cap due to harris, Simmons, curry and embiid. So how do you project signing anyone close fournier’s caliber with no money to spend? Meanwhile if you trade for him you can give him a contract as he was on the squad like they could do with jj before he bolted. Also can eventually use him as a asset in matching up salaries later. Again Fournier 20 ppg scorer shooting 39 percent from three. Tell me again how that’s not what the sixers need? 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

when he started scoring 25ppg he was bound to get defended differently. Surely hes not used to that. Here, teams wouldnt be able to devote the same kind of attention to him. Id expect his shooting % to go back up. 

why?  his 3 pt shooting is down to 35% for the season.  he basically had 1 good month:

41% in jan

31% in feb

30% in mar so far

 

he's right back around his career average of 35%. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

However if you are asking me which player i rather take long term and better between thybulle and Gordon it’s Gordon.

That is not what was being discussed.  It was that ridiculous trade and then aftermath of it.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Fournier even if he leaves i can sign and trade him and get assets back.

Yeah but you get a lot less in this sign and trade scenario.

So you want the future of the Sixers to be this team, minus Maxey, Thybulle and some 1sts but add Gordon and Fournier and think that will make us contenders?

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

why?  his 3 pt shooting is down to 35% for the season.  he basically had 1 good month:

41% in jan

31% in feb

30% in mar so far

 

he's right back around his career average of 35%. 

I... think I just said why. 

Just now, Khani1 said:

Yeah but you get a lot less in this sign and trade scenario.

I’d personally sign a 20ppg 39 percent 3 point shooter. I can pay him and go over the cap and into the luxury like they were trying to do with jj before he left. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d personally sign a 20ppg 39 percent 3 point shooter. I can pay him and go over the cap and into the luxury like they were trying to do with jj before he left. 

We get better but could get a lot better with other trades/scenarios.  People who are not available right now who could become available.  Brodgon, Beal, Lavine, etc.

I don't know if Harris is willing to pay the luxury tax.

All I am saying is if I am putting all my eggs in one basket, it won't be with those two guys.

3 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

We get better but could get a lot better with other trades/scenarios.  People who are not available right now who could become available.  Brodgon, Beal, Lavine, etc.

I don't know if Harris is willing to pay the luxury tax.

All I am saying is if I am putting all my eggs in one basket, it won't be with those two guys.

Dont forget, Danny Green, and Mike Scott are expiring. So how are you gonna make those trades next year? To match salary youre going to be trading one of our top 4 players away. The improvement would be incremental at that point.

This is the year to do something. And if theres no Beal or LaVine available, you gotta go for whatever the next best thing is because now is the time to make a move to add to what we have. 

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

That is not what was being discussed.  It was that ridiculous trade and then aftermath of it.

Wouldn’t be my first move either. However you need to have counter moves if ones fall through. Frankly think the best move is to use the MLE to get Ellington for bench scoring. Try to get someone like hill or ross as a guard. And use their trade exception to get someone like markkanen or nance. That’s the moves I’d make. However i wouldn’t argue with them if they got Fournier/ross and Gordon in a trade.

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

We get better but could get a lot better with other trades/scenarios.  People who are not available right now who could become available.  Brodgon, Beal, Lavine, etc.

I don't know if Harris is willing to pay the luxury tax.

All I am saying is if I am putting all my eggs in one basket, it won't be with those two guys.

I’m just telling you what college coaches who scouted both, coached one and nba scouts have said about Gordon. I have the luxury having friends on the Arizona coaching staff. That’s why i have that opinion on Gordon vs. thybulle. This isn’t i hate thybulle. I love thybulle. But with the info ive been told I’d take Gordon and be ok based off what I’ve been told

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

So how are you gonna make those trades next year?

I'm willing to move Tobi for a bigger fish if they become available.  He is coming off a great year (assuming he plays decent in the playoffs).

You sound like you just want to make a trade for a sake of a trade.  If we are going for it all this year, and giving up the young assets, it better be for a good package.

Is GWS still around?  Any posts over on Real GM from him?

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Wouldn’t be my first move either. However you need to have counter moves if ones fall through. Frankly think the best move is to use the MLE to get Ellington for bench scoring. Try to get someone like hill or ross as a guard. And use their trade exception to get someone like markkanen or nance. That’s the moves I’d make. However i wouldn’t argue with them if they got Fournier/ross and Gordon in a trade.

I’m just telling you what college coaches who scouted both, coached one and nba scouts have said about Gordon. I have the luxury having friends on the Arizona coaching staff. That’s why i have that opinion on Gordon vs. thybulle. This isn’t i hate thybulle. I love thybulle. But with the info ive been told I’d take Gordon and be ok based off what I’ve been told

I agree.  I would make smaller moves without depleting our young assets.  But I would rather take Lowry than those two because that is a go for it all scenario that I like much better than Gordon and Fournier.

Just now, Shepard Wong said:

Is GWS still around?  Any posts over on Real GM from him?

Nope.  He hasn't posted in forever.  People have called for him too and he doesn't come on.

Just now, Khani1 said:

I'm willing to move Tobi for a bigger fish if they become available.  He is coming off a great year (assuming he plays decent in the playoffs).

You sound like you just want to make a trade for a sake of a trade.  If we are going for it all this year, and giving up the young assets, it better be for a good package.

I want to make a trade for the sake of getting better. And not letting what few assets we have left, go to waste. 

Because we are over the cap for the next couple of years. But after this year, we have no more mid-range salaries left which makes any future trades really, really tough to find. 

If you trade for even Lonzo Ball now and pay him 20M, then you have a nice contract to try to use to help land a LaVine next year.

If you do nothing, then... you snoozed and lost. You arent getting LaVine. And trading Tobi for Beal doesnt put us over the hump. 

1 minute ago, Shepard Wong said:

Is GWS still around?  Any posts over on Real GM from him?

he hasnt posted at all since free agency where he got nothing right. Not sure he has a good source anymore. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

If you trade for even Lonzo Ball now and pay him 20M, then you have a nice contract to try to use to help land a LaVine next year.

If you do nothing, then... you snoozed and lost. You arent getting LaVine. And trading Tobi for Beal doesnt put us over the hump. 

I have mentioned Ball several times.  Tobi for Beal doesn't put us over the hump?  Beal is special in my opinion.  I think he certainly does.

Just now, Khani1 said:

I have mentioned Ball several times.  Tobi for Beal doesn't put us over the hump?  Beal is special in my opinion.  I think he certainly does.

Youre improving SG and significantly downgrading another position. The real overall improvement to the team is incremental. Small... Its not the same as making any of these moves his year which add to what we have. Youre adding only after a HUGE subtraction. 

ben, jojo, & beal would be ridiculous & absolutely puts them in title contention.  

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

how is fournier on d?  and how much better than korkmaz is he?  (i know he plays a lot more minutes.)

 

 

He scored 31 points on 10/18 and 5/12 from 3 last night with 6 assists. He is a scorer and okay defender. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Youre improving SG and significantly downgrading another position. The real overall improvement to the team is incremental. Small... Its not the same as making any of these moves his year which add to what we have. Youre adding only after a HUGE subtraction. 

Disagree. Beal is a professional scorer and I would start Thybulle next to Joel. Would be a big upgrade offensively 

Just now, mr_hunt said:

ben, jojo, & beal would be ridiculous & absolutely puts them in title contention.  

No it doesnt. 

its not even as good as Ben, Tobi, Embiid, and Harden. Because in that scenario they didnt have to trade away Tobi who is a massive piece of our team. 

We dont even have any other backup 4 on this team when Mike Scott expires after thei season. With Tobi gone, who even plays there next year? A rookie? a vet min guy like Ilyasova?

 

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

ben, jojo, & beal would be ridiculous & absolutely puts them in title contention.  

I think he is trolling us.