1 hour ago, West_Philly said:

It is a guards league? One of the commentators spoke on this and mentioned when it comes to the playoffs and championships it is the athletic wingman that wins championships. There seems to be some truth to this as we look back over the past few championships and who the MVP was: Kawhi Leonard (Spurs and Raptors), Kevin Durant (Warriors), Andre Iguodala (Warriors), Lebron James (Cavs, and Heat), Kobe Bryant (Lakers). Makes a strong argument for where to put the money. 

guard...wing with guard skills...all the same. players who can create,  break down the defense, & shoot 3's. never specifically said pg.

76ers top 2 players are mentally soft and injury prone. Should've never bowed down to the league office. There's a rebuild coming in the relatively near future. Shame.

Has anyone else seen this news about the Cavaliers trying to trade for Ben Simmons?

18 minutes ago, SBorBust said:

Has anyone else seen this news about the Cavaliers trying to trade for Ben Simmons?

It was posted in here. Good to see. I hope so see more teams making offers. Theirs isnt all that enticing.

Pretty sure all those championship teams in the last decade had legit guys shooting over 40% from 3. Sixers have Shake and that's all. Even then I don't think he qualified due to number of shots taken

no embiid or richardson today...toby & horford are questionable. 

should be a real sheetshow. 

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

no embiid or richardson today...toby & horford are questionable. 

should be a real sheetshow. 

This is shayocks break out game

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

This is shayocks break out game

They really do need to get him some minutes. They’ve already got Burks proving that he should be one of the first off the bench next season, it’s time to see if Shayok could be a contributor. 

13 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

76ers top 2 players are mentally soft and injury prone. Should've never bowed down to the league office. There's a rebuild coming in the relatively near future. Shame.

I get what you’re saying but Embiid was a Hinkie pick and its pretty much a given Simmons would have been the top pick as well. You could argue that maybe Hinkie doesn’t make the Fultz move. 

UPDATED: Clinching Scenarios To Secure The OKC Pick

SCENARIO #1

2 OKC Wins

SCENARIO #2

1 OKC Win + 1 PHI Loss + 2 UTA Losses

SCENARIO #3

1 OKC Win + 1 PHI Loss + 2 MIA Losses

SCENARIO #4

1 OKC Win + 1 PHI Loss + 2 IND Losses

SCENARIO #5

1 OKC Win + 2 UTA Losses + 2 MIA Losses

SCENARIO #6

1 OKC Win + 2 UTA Losses + 2 IND Losses

SCENARIO #7

1 OKC Win + 2 MIA Losses + 2 IND Losses

SCENARIO #8

2 PHI Losses + 3 IND Losses

For Reference OKC’s Final 3 Games:

PHX - LOSS   

MIA

LAC

We arent gonna have a 1st round pick. 

2 hours ago, nipples said:

I get what you’re saying but Embiid was a Hinkie pick and its pretty much a given Simmons would have been the top pick as well. You could argue that maybe Hinkie doesn’t make the Fultz move. 

 I think you're right about the picks he made, but Hinkie wasn't going to stop at collecting 3 lottery pick guys, he was shooting for two or three times as many. He wanted an all-star roster at depth and wasn't just willing, but intended to do whatever it took to accomplish that. I think he understood that given enough chances, even he, with his misses, could construct a great roster that would dominate. That's what made the league office angry. He would tank for however long it took to get those lottery picks. Ownership should've backed him. Why? competitive equality.

Philadelphia is not, and won't ever be a premiere FA destination. 2nd tier guys come here for the $ but ONLY if they can't get it elsewhere, and that's as good as it gets for the 76ers. That competitive disadvantage can only be countered through the draft. Hinkie was right in his approach, just not great at identifying the top talent. His first draft had MCW over Giannis IIRC...ugh. Still, give him a top 1-4 pick for 7 years in a row, and he'll give the coach a roster he can win it all with. 

It's all water under the bridge at this point so, it's just about time to start over...once again. Trading Ben is the logical place to start, and Embiid is on deck.

1 hour ago, PoconoDon said:

 I think you're right about the picks he made, but Hinkie wasn't going to stop at collecting 3 lottery pick guys, he was shooting for two or three times as many. He wanted an all-star roster at depth and wasn't just willing, but intended to do whatever it took to accomplish that. I think he understood that given enough chances, even he, with his misses, could construct a great roster that would dominate. That's what made the league office angry. He would tank for however long it took to get those lottery picks. Ownership should've backed him. Why? competitive equality.

Philadelphia is not, and won't ever be a premiere FA destination. 2nd tier guys come here for the $ but ONLY if they can't get it elsewhere, and that's as good as it gets for the 76ers. That competitive disadvantage can only be countered through the draft. Hinkie was right in his approach, just not great at identifying the top talent. His first draft had MCW over Giannis IIRC...ugh. Still, give him a top 1-4 pick for 7 years in a row, and he'll give the coach a roster he can win it all with. 

It's all water under the bridge at this point so, it's just about time to start over...once again. Trading Ben is the logical place to start, and Embiid is on deck.

Mostly agree but I dont think Hinkie was going to continue tanking. It was supposed to be a 7 year plan. He got 4 high 1st round picks including Simmons at 1st overall, and Embiid. Had the Okafor pick, and then had the 3rd overall pick that ended up being Fultz.

After 4 years of tanking, it was about time to begin trying in order to get to championship level by year 7. You figure you needed a year or 2 to acquire veteran talent with all the cap space and draft capital he accumulated. And then a year or 2 for it all to gel and the draft picks to mature to contending status. 

I think Hinkie was about to be done tanking right when he got fired. And I think the 76ers knew that. It seems as though he was so good at tanking, they werent sure he was the right guy to actually move a team forward. But man I woulda loved to find out. I wonder how much different our team would have looked today. I bet it woulda been so much better. 

yeah...hinkie was so great that he hasn't had a job in the nba since he was sheet-canned. 

 

25 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

yeah...hinkie was so great that he hasn't had a job in the nba since he was sheet-canned. 

 

he did what he did and did it extremely well. 

He won every trade he made. He managed the cap, and accumulated draft picks while helping build a culture in the team where the coach and players remained motivated. 

He took a reputation hit because he was never allowed to actually build after he was tasked with tearing it down. Had he been afforded that opportunity, the picture would be more clear. 

Now we wont know. We didnt get to see it, and it seems he has been blackballed.

I know Id love to have someone with his negotiating skills making trades to rebuild rather than Colangelo and Brand. We probably could have benefited greatly from his frugality when it came to the Horford contract, maybe the Harris contract, and the max for Simmons. Despite running a losing team, Embiid still loves him and communicates with him regularly. If they players liked him while they were losing, the culture should have remained great when he was building something special. 

hinkie was good at losing & acquiring picks...that's true.  the only difference making picks he hit on are the 2 guys we've spent all week discussing trades for.    

the legend of hinkie!!!  

This team is hot garbage. They're almost as unwatchable as the process teams. I personally think Brown and Brand need to go, but I don't see them moving on from Elton this quickly. Perhaps a real X's and O's coach could get more out of these players with a better scheme. I know the mid-range game is dead in the NBA, but come on man, this team jacks up 3's just a few seconds into the shot clock if there is not clear path to the hoop. Other than when JoJo feels like playing D. the interior D and rebounding is putrid. I don't see them winning more than a game, maybe 2 in the playoffs. Probably the most underachieving Philly team in recent memory. 

11 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

hinkie was good at losing & acquiring picks...that's true.  the only difference making picks he hit on are the 2 guys we've spent all week discussing trades for.    

the legend of hinkie!!!  

Right. But back in those days the only goal was acquiring the best and most talent possible. Which Embiid and Simmons unquestionably were. It wasnt YET time to consider fit. If you had good players that you had to trade later,  to complete the puzzle more appropriately, that was ok. They are players, but also assets. 

He got canned right at about the time we started looking for fit, established talent. 

14 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

hinkie was good at losing & acquiring picks...that's true.  the only difference making picks he hit on are the 2 guys we've spent all week discussing trades for.    

the legend of hinkie!!!  

He was also stopped cold and fired with about 50% of his plan still not finished. It's like judging a marathon runner at the 13 mile mark...it's stupid.

  you can't assume hinkie would've succeeded at building a winner just because he was really good at building a loser. i respect the guy for accumulating the assets he did...but the legend of hinkie thing is kind of silly, imo. 

 

 

Just now, mr_hunt said:

  you can't assume hinkie would've succeeded at building a winner just because he was really good at building a loser. i respect the guy for accumulating the assets he did...but the legend of hinkie thing is kind of silly, imo. 

 

 

You also cant assume he wasnt capable of building a winner just because he succeeded in bulding a loser.

Its one thing if he built a loser because he sucked and lost every trade and the team sucked by default. Its quite another to build a loser while winning every trade by a mile. One is accidental because you suck. The other is strategically masterful. 

It does make sense to assume that while hinkie was great at extracting maximum value in trades in the form of assets, he could use the same shrewd negotiating skills to begin extracting maximum value when turning those assets in to players. Its not as if he should be expected to suddenly become a poor negotiator when he we aiming for players rather than picks. 

Seeing how great he was at trading, and building culture it makes sense to have had confidence in him moving forward. He didnt get fired because he sucked. He got fired because Silver didnt like how he outsmarted the system and got blackballed. 

Without assuming anything tell us who you would have preferred to move forward with: Hinkie, Colangelo, or Brand?

 

At worst, ownership should've backed his plan and maybe brought in another talent evaluator to help identify the top tier prospects. Kind of like Lurie with Howie. I'm not saying it would've worked, but Hinkie's asset acquisition rate was excellent ,so one more experienced set of eyes might've made the difference.

As it was, ownership let the league bend ownership over, forced Hinkie out, and forced the waste of the remaining assets. I blame ownership for showing pure cowardice and agreeing to continued subjugation as a 2nd rate NBA team for the foreseeable future. The ownership is as soft as those two semi star players they're hanging their hopes on. I'm out on the 76ers, and will only make fun of them until ownership mans up, and that probably will never happen. Cowardice is as cowardice does.

it's all speculation anyway....but his legend is greatly exaggerated, imo. 

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/sixers-sam-hinkie-best-trades-sixers-furkan-korkmaz-elfrid-payton-dario-saric

but read the article above if you're bored. he pulled off some "successful" trades..but when you really look at them, they didn't acquire many/any? difference makers with those trades.  

colangelo & brand stink too, since you asked. 

 

6 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

it's all speculation anyway....but his legend is greatly exaggerated, imo. 

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/sixers-sam-hinkie-best-trades-sixers-furkan-korkmaz-elfrid-payton-dario-saric

but read the article above if you're bored. he pulled off some "successful" trades..but when you really look at them, they didn't acquire many/any? difference makers with those trades.  

colangelo & brand stink too, since you asked. 

 

There are a bunch of examples in that article of successive GMs mismanaging the assets Hinkie acquired. We all knew that already but the article helps illustrate that.

Most of those were great value grabs by Hinkie. But everyone knows the process was about volume because Hinkie had no delusions that he was going to hit on every pick, and we shouldnt either. 

Theres a bunch of players there who had/have value that were let go for cap reasons, or traded by other GMs who didnt do as well churning assets without losing value. They ended up not amounting to as much after other sucky GMs wasted them. 

A late 1st isnt going to be a hit very often but getting one at all for a player like Anyol is a massive win. We turned it in to Korkmaz. Hes a marginal NBA player but thats still a huge upgrade over Anyol.

A pick that became Fultz was a different GMs mistake. And the minimal value we got in the Fultz trade is another GMs work too.  We also never got to see what hed have done with the 2019 1st round pick that Boston used to take Romeo Langford. 

Jeremi Grant, Saric and Holmes are still NBA contributors. Grant even starts. 

We are wasting Micic because other GMs have failed to bring him over despite our massive need at the position. Not only replacing Ben Simmons, but even when we were just in need of a backup PG, or 6th man. 

 

 

 

 

 

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