like i said...not 1 difference maker was acquired by those hinkie trades.  a couple fringe starters & a couple fringe nba players...that's it.  that's the nba though.  draft picks are overrated & a lot of players bust. 

2 minutes ago, Shepard Wong said:

Fire up the tank

 

 

hah!  and i set it to record so i can watch it later. what the hell is wrong with me?   

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

like i said...not 1 difference maker was acquired by those hinkie trades.  a couple fringe starters & a couple fringe nba players...that's it.  that's the nba though.  draft picks are overrated & a lot of players bust. 

Remember,  those were tank years. He wasn't aiming for difference makers acquired by trade.  He was acquiring veterans on expiring contracts to accumulate picks.

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

hah!  and i set it to record so i can watch it later. what the hell is wrong with me?   

Hopefully a heavy dose of Shayock off the bench will be entertaining. 

i know he was acquiring picks...and those picks didn't land any good players. that's my point. 

but when you think of hinkie...think of the good times.   

 

     

15 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

i know he was acquiring picks...and those picks didn't land any good players. that's my point. 

but when you think of hinkie...think of the good times.   

 

  

Simmons and Embiid.

Other good players that werent franchise cornerstones before the team was ready to contend were only used at assets anyway. 

Not difference making starters, but difference making bench players like Payton, Saric, and Grant, Shamet were traded or let go.  Same for an ok bench player like your boy Holmes.

Pick a few of those guys to play on our bench right now and we would be in great shape. But you couldnt retain all of them at 2nd contract market value and still have room to add the star veterans. Timeline didnt fit. Thats why he was in asset collection mode. Not difference maker mode. He just needed assets to churn until he had enough blue chippers in place to finally make the big veteran acquisition to put the team in to contention mode. 

Also, imagine if he had Porzingis instead of Okafor. 

 

27 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

i know he was acquiring picks...and those picks didn't land any good players. that's my point. 

but when you think of hinkie...think of the good times.   

 

     

I mean he never got to use those picks to acquire good players. They fired him before they got embiid and Simmons on the court to use those assets. Colangelo and brand burned through them and have next to nothing to show for them. 

i don’t Know what hinkie would or wouldn’t have had done. However i do know he wasn’t given the chance to finish the project he started because the sixers ownership group became a bunch of excuse my language b!#%hes to Adam silver and the nba. And on top of that F***ed up two GM searches by not really having one with colangelo and then telling better more qualified GMs than brand they couldn’t bring their own front office people so no one wanted it. Additionally i know There’s a big time rumor out there that sixers ownership told hinkie he couldn’t draft porzingis cause porzingis didn’t want to come here and definitely not come over the following year and they didn’t want Nothing to show for their year of tanking. Meanwhile they got that anyway. 

i can also tell you from one of the coaches at Arizona who’s very good friends with one of the coaches on staff (and you can figure it out pretty easily who he got told by) the sixers ownership didn’t want to give butler the 5 year max and that was a major reason butler didn’t come back. Also told the ownership and front office made that decision prior to the playoffs and didn’t budge. The spin was brown but the reality was let brown die on the sword for the ownership (Per usual by the sixers) not wanting to dish out the 38 million 5th year option Cause he might force either him or Simmons and brown to be on the outs. 

https://cavsnation.com/best-cavs-trade-offers-sixers-star-ben-simmons/

1 hour ago, Shepard Wong said:

Fire up the tank

 

 

Not sure what the point of this is. It's not like we can lose out and get into the lottery. Just more of Brown being an idiot. 

39 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Simmons and Embiid.

 

 

hinkie didn't trade for those picks. 

and half the people here want 1 or both traded. hinkie fail!

 

21 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

hinkie didn't trade for those picks. 

and half the people here want 1 or both traded. hinkie fail!

 

I’m actually for either firing brown and brand. Bring in new FO and coach and trying to deal horford for pieces that might fit better See where we are. However I’m also not against people who question a complete rebuild again as you don’t think you can win with either Simmons or embiid as cornerstone players. I want the first but i could see the argument in the second if you believe neither is going to lead you to a title 

43 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

hinkie didn't trade for those picks. 

and half the people here want 1 or both traded. hinkie fail!

 

He made those picks. 

To point out that we want them traded now is moving the goal posts.  It was therobvious right move at the time. 

20 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m actually for either firing brown and brand. Bring in new FO and coach and trying to deal horford for pieces that might fit better See where we are. However I’m also not against people who question a complete rebuild again as you don’t think you can win with either Simmons or embiid as cornerstone players. I want the first but i could see the argument in the second if you believe neither is going to lead you to a title 

I want all 4 of those things ASAP

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He made those picks. 

To point out that we want them traded now is moving the goal posts.  It was therobvious right move at the time. 

I want all 4 of those things ASAP

Frankly i want ownership to sell the team. 

42 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly i want ownership to sell the team. 

Ill take that too.

Path to success:

1. New ownership

2. New GM

3. New Head Coach

4. Trade Simmons

5. Trade Embiid

6. Trade Horford if at all possible.

 

Championship.

Its amazing to me that in a game with 4 starters missing we couldnt get a couple minutes of Shayock. What have we gained by playing Neto and Korkmaz for 53 minutes so far? What do we really have to lose by playing Shayock a little bit today to see what hes got against NBA starters?

 

Its also discouraging that Milton has just 6 points in a game like this. The only scorer in the lineup with him is Burks. He should have stepped up as the lone starter to be a scorer. At least the 2nd option in that lineup. 

4 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Also, imagine if he had Porzingis instead of Okafor

He would have 3 7 footers in a guards league that can't stay healthy?? 

6 hours ago, mr_hunt said:

yeah...hinkie was so great that he hasn't had a job in the nba since he was sheet-canned. 

 

 

7 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Mostly agree but I dont think Hinkie was going to continue tanking. It was supposed to be a 7 year plan. He got 4 high 1st round picks including Simmons at 1st overall, and Embiid. Had the Okafor pick, and then had the 3rd overall pick that ended up being Fultz.

After 4 years of tanking, it was about time to begin trying in order to get to championship level by year 7. You figure you needed a year or 2 to acquire veteran talent with all the cap space and draft capital he accumulated. And then a year or 2 for it all to gel and the draft picks to mature to contending status. 

I think Hinkie was about to be done tanking right when he got fired. And I think the 76ers knew that. It seems as though he was so good at tanking, they werent sure he was the right guy to actually move a team forward. But man I woulda loved to find out. I wonder how much different our team would have looked today. I bet it woulda been so much better. 

I'm not arguing that Hinkie is God's gift to GM-ing, but he was certainly bold and bright.  He did not invent tanking, but he embraced it as a rebuilding strategy. 

This was dangerous for the NBA and potentially very, very bad for business if other teams in smaller markets adopted it.

Make no mistake, the commish (and possibly some owners) wanted to make an example of Hinkie.  There were a lot of politics behind his exit and no re-entry.  

If you really want to put on the tinfoil hat, I'd point to the Sixers getting the #1 overall pick 1 month after firing Hinkie with 26% odds, despite being statistical losers in the draft for the past several years.

13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

 

I'm not arguing that Hinkie is God's gift to GM-ing, but he was certainly bold and bright.  He did not invent tanking, but he embraced it as a rebuilding strategy. 

This was dangerous for the NBA and potentially very, very bad for business if other teams in smaller markets adopted it.

Make no mistake, the commish (and possibly some owners) wanted to make an example of Hinkie.  There were a lot of politics behind his exit and no re-entry.  

If you really want to put on the tinfoil hat, I'd point to the Sixers getting the #1 overall pick 1 month after firing Hinkie with 26% odds, despite being statistical losers in the draft for the past several years.

yeah. It seemed like a "coincidence" that was owed to us at the time. No big surprise it happened if you follow the historical rigging of the NBA draft lottery. 

Theres also no question the only reason he doesnt have a job is that hes blackballed too.

Morey was a well respected GM and Hinkie is from his tree. He has that reputation, and also had Morey to pull strings for him. He also has his own track record for dominating trades for years in the 6ers FO. Teams know what he is capable of.

On top of that, he had guys like TJ McConnell playing their hearts out. Now you can say, he was a UDFA grateful for an opportunity to prove himself in the NBA just taking advantage of the situation he was put in, to play for a bad team meant that he had a huge role handed to him that he never would have found anywhere else. It makes sense that he would give it his all. It was a golden opportunity that hed have to be an idiot not to devote himself to..

But then, you have Embiid who also loved Hinkie. A franchise cornerstone type of pick. A potential #1 overall pick had it not been for his injury. A guy who dreamed of superstardom. Drafted to the lowly 76ers. A guy who embraced the city while playing for a perennial tanker when he obviously had much much higher personal and professional goals. How does a GM appeal to both ends of the spectrum (TJ McConnell to Joel Embiid) and keep everyone happy? Thats an incredible job of leadership. Yeah, a lot of it is the coach. But thats also a GM's job. Character evals in personnel scouting. As well as hiring or keeping the right coaching staff who can keep it all together.

 

Theres nothing tangible to discredit Hinkie. Its only the unknown and how you choose to view that. Follow the evidence that points to him being pretty good. Or choose to view the glass half empty based on...really nothing other than personal bias to view unknown as negative. That doesnt make any sense to me when there is actual evidence to the contrary.

Nba about to run into an issue with their play-in 8 seed game 

The NBA is about to run into an issue where Portland plays one more game than Phoenix and the Grizzlies to get the 8 seed (they hypothetically finish 35-39 and suns and griz finish 34-39 if they win out) and Portland clinches the ability to play the 8/9 play-in game due to win percentage of an extra win in one extra game and one of the Suns or Griz get left in the dark. And Spurs are going to wind up playing two less games then the grizzlies and Suns but with those two games could’ve passed the Suns and Grizzlies in terms of better record (35-38 if they won out). And three games less than Portland and if win all 3 the potential to even pass the Blazers. 

Should go to a 4 team playoff for the 8 seed, where Portland plays Spurs and Suns play Grizzlies and winners of those games play for the 8 seed.

I said this at the beginning of the season, but there's just nothing that can be done about it.  You can't win with Embiid plus a supporting cast.  You can't win with Simmons plus a supporting cast.  And they are a terrible fit on the floor together...you can't win with both of them.

So you can choose between 4 options that all suck: 1. Keep both and watch nothing change as time wears on and their value declines.  2. Trade Simmons at his value low-point and watch the Sixers fail to compete with just a big who can't play nearly enough minutes to be the only franchise player.  3. Trade Embiid and build around Simmons who can't score.  4.  Trade both and start over in an NBA that no longer allows strategic tanking.

What GM would want to come here and replace the inept Brand when they face the above multiple choice question with 4 wrong answers?

aside from that game winning 3, shake hasn't been very impressive since they put him in the starting lineup.  we'll see once the playoffs start but that's a lot of pressure for a 2nd year 2nd round pick. 

i bet hinkie would've picked someone better, btw.    

35 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

aside from that game winning 3, shake hasn't been very impressive since they put him in the starting lineup.  we'll see once the playoffs start but that's a lot of pressure for a 2nd year 2nd round pick. 

i bet hinkie would've picked someone better, btw.    

He's turning it over much less than Simmons. But mostly invisible. 

Time to start a new process.  

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He's turning it over much less than Simmons. But mostly invisible. 

he's not very good on d...so he really needs to be making his 3's to justify starting him. 

wow McCollum is playing with a fractured L3 transverse process. 

57 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

he's not very good on d...so he really needs to be making his 3's to justify starting him. 

yeah... I was reading an article on the ringer last night about this opportunity to see the team without Simmons. In it they mention some of the players and what they need to do to step up. It mentions that Shake was an "energetic" defender in college. He may be a limited athlete for the guard position, but you dont see that TJ McConnell type energy in his D. If he could at least bring that itd help.