3 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

So why does one of the best 1v1 players of all time need to resort to tricks? (I know you aren't the one that said that) 

Sorry - not a fan

imagine harden (or many other players for that matter) going against the 90's pistons or even the barkley/mahorn sixers. the game is called so differently now. 

Just now, mikemack8 said:

So why does one of the best 1v1 players of all time need to resort to tricks? (I know you aren't the one that said that) 

Sorry - not a fan

Harden has a great rip thru move that he uses when the defender brings their arms down to contest a shot and is a foul. 

10 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Ben will need to use his size to fight to get over the screen or Trae will eat Curry alive. 

Good news is the Sixers have a lot of good defenders to throw at him.  Beal averaged 30pts in that series, but I felt like when the Sixers needed to clamp down on him they did.  I'd expect similar treatment with Trae.

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

imagine harden (or many other players for that matter) going against the 90's pistons or even the barkley/mahorn sixers. 

Please - any of today's players would be in the corner sucking their thumb if they had to play those guys with those rules.  

7 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

So why does one of the best 1v1 players of all time need to resort to tricks? (I know you aren't the one that said that) 

Sorry - not a fan

Why wouldn’t you use that in your arsenal if you can? I love embiid but embiid also sells the crap out of some calls. Embiid is great and he also is great at getting the fouls called. Ditto with beal (who you saw the last two games of the series) and harden. I think it’s more the nba with its rule changes and how it’s evolve has allowed it to come to that.

Just now, mikemack8 said:

Please - any of today's players would be in the corner sucking their thumb if they had to play those guys with those rules.  

pretty much and we all know why it's called like it is now. the same reason all sports are changing their rules. 

1 minute ago, rambo said:

Good news is the Sixers have a lot of good defenders to throw at him.  Beal averaged 30pts in that series, but I feel like when the Sixers needed to clamp down on him they could.  I'd expect similar treatment with Trae.

Difference is Hawks can go 8 deep with legit NBA players Wizards went to two.  I think it will be a tighter series than initially expected. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Got to also factor in Hunter only played 23 games during the regular season. He played i believe 5 games since feb 1st to the end of the regular season. He’s been getting better with every game the hawks have played. I also think you have to win your home games in this series. As great as the sixers are at home, the hawks are really good and we’re nearly unbeatable the last 3 months of the season. They were 19-2 at home since February. The sixers are a solid road team but you really don’t want to be in a position where it’s a must win game on the road against a great home team.

I’d also point out the hawks since March 1st have been one of the better defenses in the league. The Knicks aren’t nearly as talented as the hawks or sixers but the hawks had the Knicks averaging 97 points per game in that series. That’s still really hard to do considering in today’s nba 

Randle really crap the bed in that series and regressed to his normal career shooting.  He missed a ton of wide open shots he was knocking down in the regular season.

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

pretty much and we all know why it's called like it is now. the same reason all sports are changing their rules. 

James beat the Pistons by himself when the game was called differently.I could make the counter point that these players are a lot more talented than those eras as well and would run them off the court.

2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Difference is Hawks can go 8 deep with legit NBA players Wizards went to two.  I think it will be a tighter series than initially expected. 

it's certainly going to be more of a challenge, one i don't think the sixers can win without embiid available for all of the games. 

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Difference is Hawks can go 8 deep with legit NBA players Wizards went to two.  I think it will be a tighter series than initially expected. 

Yeah I'm not down playing them.  Wizards literally have 2 players and a bunch of process level players and over the hill vets.  I think our bench might be shortened up for this series because I don't know that our full bench squad would be able to hold and extend leads like they did against the Wizards.  Biggest factor in this series in Joel.  Can he play and play to his MVP level with this knee.

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

James beat the Pistons by himself when the game was called differently.I could make the counter point that these players are a lot more talented than those eras as well and would run them off the court.

you could, but it doesn't mean you're right. 

1 minute ago, rambo said:

Randle really crap the bed in that series and regressed to his normal career shooting.  He missed a ton of wide open shots he was knocking down in the regular season.

Don’t disagree. They had a good game plan on him. Also i think that had to also do with Atlanta’s ability to defend the Knicks as they were already not a offensive juggernaut to begin with. The Knicks 3 point shooting for the series was 49-156 which is 31.4%. I don’t care who is on the Knicks, holding an opponent to 31% in the league for a five game series is really good. 

just saying the hawks have been doing this since basically March 1st. They are 31-12 which is what the sixers were during the same stretch. Their bench is also legit with gallinari, Lou Williams and huerter. They are a much better team than the wizards. 

1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

you could, but it doesn't mean you're right. 

Just like Jordan and his talent beat the physical Pistons in the 90s. James and his talent best the physical nature of the Pistons. 

Talent always wins. Put any slow moving big man from the 90s in a pick and roll in modern basketball and he would be played off the court within minutes. 

4 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

it's certainly going to be more of a challenge, one i don't think the sixers can win without embiid available for all of the games. 

That’s how i feel. He has to play at at least 80% for the sixers to this series. It’s much better opponent then the wizards. Wizards have two good players and play absolutely no defense. The hawks actually play defense and offensively have 8 guys averaging double figures during the regular season (would say 9 but reddish is out) 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t disagree. They had a good game plan on him. Also i think that had to also do with Atlanta’s ability to defend the Knicks as they were already not a offensive juggernaut to begin with. The Knicks 3 point shooting for the series was 49-156 which is 31.4%. I don’t care who is on the Knicks, holding an opponent to 31% in the league for a five game series is really good. 

just saying the hawks have been doing this since basically March 1st. They are 31-12 which is what the sixers were during the same stretch. Their bench is also legit with gallinari, Lou Williams and huerter. They are a much better team than the wizards. 

The Sixers HAVE to attack Trae on the defensive end. Knicks didnt do that at all during the series, heck they ran plays away from him.

I am guessing Trae will be guarding Green on the defensive end. Initially we should see a lot of action with Ben and Green in pick and rolls to get Trae involved on the defensive end. 

3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Just like Jordan and his talent beat the physical Pistons in the 90s. James and his talent best the physical nature of the Pistons. 

Talent always wins. Put any slow moving big man from the 90s in a pick and roll in modern basketball and he would be played off the court within minutes. 

You are right.  The game is different.  Today's game in a 3 point contest and caters to soft babies who have acting skills to get easy fouls.  The great players just get other great players to join their team.

The older game was for men.

5 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Just like Jordan and his talent beat the physical Pistons in the 90s. James and his talent best the physical nature of the Pistons. 

Talent always wins. Put any slow moving big man from the 90s in a pick and roll in modern basketball and he would be played off the court within minutes. 

and put any soft modern player in the rules of the 90's and they'd be out for 4 months with a sore left earlobe, pouting about not getting enough love from the fanbase.  

it goes both way, point being, the rules kind of make it tough to judge these players from different eras at times. 

3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

The Sixers HAVE to attack Trae on the defensive end. Knicks didnt do that at all during the series, heck they ran plays away from him.

I am guessing Trae will be guarding Green on the defensive end. Initially we should see a lot of action with Ben and Green in pick and rolls to get Trae involved on the defensive end. 

Got to make him more of a distributor. If you lose with guys like Hunter, bog and Collins then you live with it. Can’t have Trae going off for 30-40 and also be distributing dimes to guys or lobs to capella

im interested to see how the sixers make young defend on that end of the floor. I’m guessing atlanta would love to hide him on Seth curry as height wise they are similar. Like you said pick and rolls i see the sixers getting him on mismatches. Potentially tobias so he can post him up and then back him up so they bring help to hit an open man. 

Celtics in 1980s with points per game allowed who were know for tough physical defense. Some amazing defense there especially since no one shot 3s. 

1985 - 108.1

1986 -104.7

1987 - 106.0

1988 - 107.7

1989 - 108.1

Sixers in 2021 - 108.1

Sports in general have evolved athletically so fast in the last 20 years that most of those players would not hang. Of course the game is called differently, but is a reason why the NBA went from 24 teams to 30 and the product has generally stayed the same. 

Bill Russell would still dominate this era sure, but as would James that era. 

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Got to make him more of a distributor. If you lose with guys like Hunter, bog and Collins then you live with it. Can’t have Trae going off for 30-40 and also be distributing dimes to guys or lobs to capella

im interested to see how the sixers make young defend on that end of the floor. I’m guessing atlanta would love to hide him on Seth curry as height wise they are similar. Like you said pick and rolls i see the sixers getting him on mismatches. Potentially tobias so he can post him up and then back him up so they bring help to hit an open man. 

I don't think you can double him because Bodgan, Gallinari, Hunter can make you pay. I make Ben fight over every screen and then throw Thybulle on him when Ben needs a break. You have to make it difficult for him and especially attack him on the offensive end. 

3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

F. I'll be at Knoebels.

12 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I don't think you can double him because Bodgan, Gallinari, Hunter can make you pay. I make Ben fight over every screen and then throw Thybulle on him when Ben needs a break. You have to make it difficult for him and especially attack him on the offensive end. 

I’m not sure they go Ben on Trae initially. Not that Trae and kyrie are equal or completely similar but kyrie Irving type of guards tend to give Ben most of his issues when he does have issues on that end of the floor. Gonna have to straight up guard him but i wouldn’t be surprised if they start with Danny green and if that doesn’t work then they go to Simmons. 

another issue not talked about is curry is going to have to defend someone other than Trae. He’s only 6’2-3 so whoever he’s guarding he’s smaller than. I’m guessing bogdonavic as he’s not as athletic or as tall as Hunter or Collins. But he is still giving up at least 4 inches if not more 

F'ing Embiid

Maxey's emergence has been awesome.  Can't wait to see what the future holds for this kid.  Only 20 years old and not shrinking in the playoffs.  In fact he's forcing the hand of a notoriously tough on rookies coach to get him play time.