7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I kind of mentioned this during the game as well. Come hard or don’t do it. Young is too good to do the slow ass half double or where you try to come half way between him and the guy you are supposed to be defending so you try to recover. It sent them scrambling with no opportunity of a trap or turnover. Was very frustrating. 

also have to make Trae young work on defense. Force him to fight through multiple screens and when it’s not screens get guys like Danny green and tobias Harris guarded by young and back him down and post him up. It’ll help wear him down so he’s not nearly as electric on offense. I felt like they barely made him work on that end in this game 

agreed...and they also need to abuse the non-athletic guys like bogdanovic & huerter the way teams would pick on reddick & belineli a few years ago. 

3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

agreed...and they also need to abuse the non-athletic guys like bogdanovic & huerter the way teams would pick on reddick & belineli a few years ago. 

Agreed on making those two work. Have to make life miserable on the defensive end of the floor for them. I’m guessing huerter likely is going to play less minutes when Hunter comes back. Apparently hunter’s knee that he had issues with earlier this year is bothering him. Hopefully for our sake he’s not nearly the same in this series because it’s a big time upgrade for them at the defensive end of the court. I could see atlanta not playing him game two since they won game one. it would give him since the Knicks series ended on June 2nd til this Friday with time off so about 8 full days.  

5 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

somehow, trae young was -11    

26 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

agreed...and they also need to abuse the non-athletic guys like bogdanovic & huerter the way teams would pick on reddick & belineli a few years ago. 

Other than Maxey we dont have anyone athletic enough to do that. This is what happens when you have a defensive specialist as your PG and an old 3 and D guy as your SG. You have no dynamic scorer to take advantage of the other teams weaker defenders. 

We dont have an athleticism advantage. We have a size advantage. Our best chance is getting Ben and Tobias in post mismatches with those guys, but that crowds Embiids area. And, Capela is a good rim protector. 

22 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Other than Maxey we dont have anyone athletic enough to do that. This is what happens when you have a defensive specialist as your PG and an old 3 and D guy as your SG. You have no dynamic scorer to take advantage of the other teams weaker defenders. 

In that game the hawks made Seth curry run all over on defense chasing his guy and fighting through screens. The sixers really didn’t make it hard on the hawks doing that at all. Curry was primarily guarding huerter, bogdonavic and Solomon hill who aren’t exactly super athletic (not scrubs but it’s not like we are talking about Anthony edwards or Lebron in his prime). However they still made him fight through screens and run all over chasing. You just have to actually run offense where you are setting screens and have movement. The sixers did a pretty lousy job at that for long stretches of the game yesterday and they also didn’t use their size advantage on Trae young on the offensive end. Back him down and post him up so they send help so you hit the open guy or you get a high percentage shot 

42 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

agreed...and they also need to abuse the non-athletic guys like bogdanovic & huerter the way teams would pick on reddick & belineli a few years ago. 

I wouldn't consider Huerter unathletic. 6'7" with a 38inch vert and Top 10 in his class in shuttle/agility drills. He ran down Maxey on that one breakaway and thought had all ball when they went flying into the stands. 

Only guy that Sixers have to do that is Joe and not sure he is even dressing. I doubt they will run screens for Simmons to the bucket

 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In that game the hawks made Seth curry run all over on defense chasing his guy and fighting through screens. The sixers really didn’t make it hard on the hawks doing that at all. Curry was primarily guarding huerter, bogdonavic and Solomon hill who aren’t exactly super athletic. However they still made him fight through screens and run all over chasing. You just have to actually run offense where you are setting screens and have movement. The sixers did a pretty lousy job at that for long stretches of the game yesterday and they also didn’t use their size advantage on Trae young on the offensive end. Back him down and post him up so they send help so you hit the open guy or you get a high percentage shot 

Who did Trae guard most of the game? Curry? 

They need to involve him in action then with Simmons to get him in the defense. 

Simmons played 39 minutes and Harris played 36. I think you need to lean on them even more and play 40+ each 

6 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I wouldn't consider Huerter unathletic. 6'7" with a 38inch vert and Top 10 in his class in shuttle/agility drills. He ran down Maxey on that one breakaway and thought had all ball when they went flying into the stands. 

Only guy that Sixers have to do that is Joe and not sure he is even dressing. I doubt they will run screens for Simmons to the bucket

 

okay...then bogdanovic....and even that midge trae young. gotta abuse them or at least make them work hard on the defensive end. 

2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Who did Trae guard most of the game? Curry? 

They need to involve him in action then with Simmons to get him in the defense. 

Curry, green and maxey mostly. They need to get him expending energy on the defensive end. They really did a lousy job at that this game when i went back and re-watched the game. Try to create some defensive mismatches with him. if he eventually switches on a screens could have Harris guarded by young. That’s a huge mismatch. But you aren’t going to create that without making him chase and eventually the hawks switching on screens. Frankly when Danny green had young on him he should’ve posted him up. Green has 5-6 inches on him. The hawks probably would’ve sent help and you could get the hawks scrambling on defense to recover. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Curry, green and maxey mostly. They need to get him expending energy on the defensive end. They really did a lousy job at that this game when i went back and re-watched the game. Try to create some defensive mismatches with him. if he eventually switches on a screens could have Harris guarded by young. That’s a huge mismatch. But you aren’t going to create that without making him chase and eventually the hawks switching on screens. Frankly when Danny green had young on him he should’ve posted him up. Green has 5-6 inches on him. The hawks probably would’ve sent help and you could get the hawks scrambling on defense to recover. 

Then it becomes how many possessions do you want Green to have the ball instead of Harris or Joel. Green only shot 33% from 3-10 feet this year 

5 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Then it becomes how many possessions do you want Green to have the ball instead of Harris or Joel. Green only shot 33% from 3-10 feet this year 

Don’t have to post up green every time. He wasn’t guarding green every possession. He was guarding curry as well you can run young off screens when guarding curry and make him chase. Green needs to be more effective. However I’m also guessing green on those 33% was likely not guarded by a guy 5 inches shorter than he was very often 

run pnr's so young gets switched off of green/curry and onto ben or tobi. they can abuse him down low. it's what boston did to reddick over & over again for a couple years. a lot of this comes back to the sixers' lack of shot creators.

all that being said, the defense was the real issue yesterday. 124 points should be enough to win. 

4 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

run pnr's so young gets switched off of green/curry and onto ben or tobi. they can abuse him down low. it's what boston did to reddick over & over again for a couple years. a lot of this comes back to the sixers' lack of shot creators.

all that being said, the defense was the real issue yesterday. 124 points should be enough to win. 

The defense for the first 42 minutes of the game wasn’t very good. Around 5:21 when they got down 17 they cranked it up and got it to within two. However I’m skeptical it was just the sixers ratcheting it up and not partly atlanta thinking the game was over and took their foot off the gas. We’ve seen the sixers in games do that before and nearly blow big leads. 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t have to post up green every time. He wasn’t guarding green every possession. He was guarding curry as well you can run young off screens when guarding curry and make him chase. Green needs to be more effective. However I’m also guessing green on those 33% was likely not guarded by a guy 5 inches shorter than he was very often 

 

You sure you want that 

31 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

 

You sure you want that 

So the solution when young is guarding green is to have green just run around or just sit on the perimeter? The hawks will take that all day if he’s not moving. As well as not switch up if green is going to try and pull a jj where he runs, catches and shoots. I’m fine running young ragged all day with green and making him go through screens. However the sixers didn’t do that yesterday either.  That said green is much better when he gets to be a stationary shooter and young isn’t going to leave green to help on defense if green is just going to camp out on the perimeter. That’s not his game nor would McMillan want him too. You should also have him post up cause of the size difference and potentially get a foul on young or even getting a high percentage shot. Also reddick has 2 inches on Trae young at 6’3 (and about 20 pounds)and you saw embiid in that highlight initially go to help on green. Green should’ve hit it out to gasol who was WIDE open as embiid does that. If you get a defender moving like embiid did he could also pass it to the open man and creates the hawks scrambling  you don’t have to just shoot when posting up when there’s a good chance a defender is going to see that mismatch and his first instinct is to go help.  

What do you expect Thybulle to do on the perimeter? He will do even less on the offensive end, they just won't guard him, and will double off him every single possession 

53 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

What do you expect Thybulle to do on the perimeter? He will do even less on the offensive end, they just won't guard him, and will double off him every single possession 

Don’t know how thybulle got brought into this when talking about Danny green needing to post up on Trae young and make young actually work on defense guarding him. Also If green is giving you zero offense and getting killed on the defensive end, how’s that helping you? Please explain how passive Danny green not wanting to shoot or looking to be active/involved on the offensive end of the floor and then being awful when he does as well as torched on defense is better? This isn’t permanently replace green. This is that game where he’s giving you basically nothing on both ends and down at that point 20, probably try a player who was aggressive on offense, moving without the ball and better defensively.   

No offense, thybulle showed more yesterday than Danny green. Hence why i said in that game (game 1) i would have used thybulle over green. Long term, i can’t say that but yesterday i would have. cause defensively thybulle gives you more at this stage of his career and how green was playing yesterday he actually gave you more on offense. So Danny Green being 0-5 with jumpers, first half refused to look to shoot/be involve/be active on offense and being bad on defense. That’s the trifecta of bad. Yesterday thybulle was cutting to the basket and actually hit some jump shots and had 10 points and actually played decent defense.

yesterday thybulle was better than green. Only reason thybulle’s +/- was so bad was cause of doc’s ridiculous all bench unit. Otherwise he’d have been plus. In yesterday‘s game they should have went to thybulle more because he was actually giving them decent offense and his defense was much better than Danny Green. Yes Danny Green can give you a potential to hit a three however this season he also had stretches with bad shooting or not looking to shoot. Kind of like yesterday where he had 0 shots in a half then he tried to get going but can’t. That has happened numerous times this year in games. And you can tell when he’s passive and not looking to shoot. It usually effects him the entire game where he doesn’t get going. There was a 2-3 week stretch where he consistently did what he did yesterday.

Also in thybulle’s last 3 playoff games is 5-12 (41.7%) from 3. Is that likely to continue? Hell no but in the moment he’s shooting it well. so roll with it until he stops especially if green is struggling both ends of the floor

You can’t have Danny Green out there being bad on defense and then on top of it not remotely looking to shoot the ball or be active/involved on the offensive end of the floor for an entire half. At that point he’s giving you nothing on either end besides a small hope he can hit a three even though he didn’t want to be involved/active and giving up basket after basket on the other end 

as a side note, I also feel green having to guard Trae young expended a bunch of energy. So on the offensive end he was gassed or trying to save his energy for the other end of the floor and that’s why he wasn’t very active for an entire half. 

recap - horrible 1st half by the sixers plus an amazing shooting % by the hawks during the same time. 

 

won't happen again. 

4 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

recap - horrible 1st half by the sixers plus an amazing shooting % by the hawks during the same time. 

 

won't happen again. 

I wouldn’t be so sure it won’t happen again...

Sixers got punched in the mouth though.  Let’s see how they respond.

12 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

recap - horrible 1st half by the sixers plus an amazing shooting % by the hawks during the same time. 

 

won't happen again. 

Really think the game plan was dumb to start. Having green on young killed you on both ends. Love green but he’s not Toronto or Spurs green anymore. Good defender just not capable of defending young. You ask him to do it at his age he’s expending a lot of energy and not doing very well on top of it. It then bleeds over to the other end of the court where he’s tired or trying to save his energy for the other end of the court on young. You need his scoring in this series. You are better off hoping Simmons can stay out of foul trouble on young and going with Simmons from the start. 

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I wouldn’t be so sure it won’t happen again...

Sixers got punched in the mouth though.  Let’s see how they respond.

I’d also point out Huerter, bogdonavic, Collins, gallinari and Williams are all good three point shooters. Might not hit 20. young is actually only 34.3 percent from the floor he went 4-11 which is close to that number. But bogdonavic is 44%, Collins is 40%, huerter is 36.3%, gallinari is 41% and Williams on the year is 40%. They can shoot. It’s why you can’t let young become both a scorer and distributor. If you do they will get open shots and uncontested 3s they’ll hit a high percentage 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Really think the game plan was dumb to start. Having green on young killed you on both ends. Love green but he’s not Toronto or Spurs green anymore. Good defender just not capable of defending young. You ask him to do it at his age he’s expending a lot of energy Kd not doing very well on top of it. It then bleeds over to the other end of the court where he’s tired or trying to save his energy for the other end of the court on young. You need his scoring in this series. You are better off hoping Simmons can stay out of foul trouble on young and going with Simmons from the start. 

i think doc already made the right adjustments, it was just too late and too big of a lead to overcome. game one is on his shoulders IMO. 

5 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I wouldn’t be so sure it won’t happen again...

Sixers got punched in the mouth though.  Let’s see how they respond.

Time for Doc to earn that fat contract of his

4 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i think doc already made the right adjustments, it was just too late and too big of a lead to overcome. game one is on his shoulders IMO. 

I think the only downside with Simmons playing young is foul trouble. If the officials call the game like they did with beal at the end of the wiz series and then young in game one he’s likely going to be close to 5 or 6 fouls by the end of the game. I’m glad Simmons and doc actually said something about it through the media yesterday. It was basically calling them out. It could go one of two ways: refs let them be more physical or it ticks them off and they are petty. Tend to think they let them be more physical