3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Ben knows how to shoot, he just doesn't give a F. 

He is setting up the rest of the NBA....come the Eastern Finals, he is going to just start bombing away from 3..........

2 hours ago, Khani1 said:

We think Ben is frustrating (and he is) but being a Bucks fan is much worse.  Giannis has a very low basketball IQ.  He also does not care what the crowd or his teammates think of his play.  He continues to try to bring up the ball and be the facilitator.  He stinks at it.  Then he takes way too many 3's.  Last night he was 1-8 (I think he something like 4-30 from 3 in the playoffs).  They had a large lead after the first and in the second quarter, he is bringing the ball up and is jacking up 3's at the beginning of the shot clock.  He became a ball hog and would continue to shoot terrible shots instead of just taking it to the rim.  When he came out of the game, their offense was flowing much better.  There was actual ball movement.  Then he does that stupid thing with his free throws.  Each time the ref throws him the ball, he throws it back to them so he can practice a fake free throw (miss) and then he gets the ball back and usually goes well over his 10 second shot clock.  At one point, the crowd was urging him on by chanting MVP and he silenced them to concentrate on his free throw, which he missed anyway.  I don't think you can be a title contender with him as your #1, at least not the way he is playing.  If you could convince him he isn't a shooter or a point guard and use him heavily to set screens and drive the lane most of the time, he would have more value.  I am glad we are not the Bucks lol.

Whoever is advising Giannis at this point should be fired. I would tell Giannis to stand a foot back and make it a jumper instead a FT. How you think taking that long isn't a mind F is beyond me.

 

He has no flow in his shooting motion as well. It stops halfway up when all his momentum is already moving upwards and impossible to get going again. That and keeping the ball a mile away from his body is another no. Such simple fixes as well. 

 

What is really depressing to this day is the '17 draft and Fultz.  Man, you had Tatum, Fox and Donovan Mitchell all there......I f'ing hate Fultz.

Just now, NYEagle said:

He is setting up the rest of the NBA....come the Eastern Finals, he is going to just start bombing away from 3..........

I do want to see him against Gobert. The only dude that motives Ben it seems like and would be a great match up

13 hours ago, rambo said:

He may be (still not sure since Ben is more multiple than him) but he won't get the minutes until he can do more offensively.  Ben can facilitate and board at a high level so he sees the court a lot.  Thybulle does neither and is a negative on offense still.  He could replace green but he's not useful enough for 30+ minutes yet.

this. in all the "trade ben" scenarios, i like to think that thybulle would replace him as the defensive stopper on wings....but if we're frustrated with ben's offense, imagine what it would be like if thybulle played major minutes. at least ben has handles, can distribute, & can rebound. thybulle...not so much. 

55 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

this. in all the "trade ben" scenarios, i like to think that thybulle would replace him as the defensive stopper on wings....but if we're frustrated with ben's offense, imagine what it would be like if thybulle played major minutes. at least ben has handles, can distribute, & can rebound. thybulle...not so much. 

But you are replacing him with a guy that will do that heavy lifting in someone like Dame or Beal. Thybulle is just replacing Green 

Just now, DaEagles4Life said:

But you are replacing him with a guy that will do that heavy lifting in someone like Dame or Beal. Thybulle is just replacing Green 

I think the issue is more you can’t just have thybulle as your only really good wing defender on the team. If you dealt simmons and green is gone (hes 33 so he’s not what he was even if kept) you need to go out and get another wing defender. It’s why I’ve said if they deal for Lillard I’d ask for Covington in the deal. Not that i love Covington but he’s an above average wing defender and i actually think as a bench player he’s a solid piece. 

yeah, i'm already assuming green is gone. as bad as danny has been in the playoffs, he did provide good wing defense during the regular season and also led the league in made corner threes.  tbs, i'm cool with trading ben for the right guy. they badly need a go to scorer who can hit from deep and create. 

1 hour ago, NYEagle said:

What is really depressing to this day is the '17 draft and Fultz.  Man, you had Tatum, Fox and Donovan Mitchell all there......I f'ing hate Fultz.

Fox and Mitchell were never really viewed as legitimate picks in that spot. And they were never getting Tatum. Boston knew the Sixers wanted Fultz. Otherwise they’d have never made the trade and would have just taken Tatum at 1. 
 

 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the issue is more you can’t just have thybulle as your only really good wing defender on the team. If you dealt simmons and green is gone (hes 33 so he’s not what he was even if kept) you need to go out and get another wing defender. It’s why I’ve said if they deal for Lillard I’d ask for Covington in the deal. Not that i love Covington but he’s an above average wing defender and i actually think as a bench player he’s a solid piece. 

Does everyone forget Joel is back there? He should be 2nd team All Defensive Team. The best wing defender in the league and top 2 anchor is more than enough to cover for Lillard especially if Maxey improves. 

I would rather the team resign Green on a 2/12 or something than Covington. 

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I do want to see him against Gobert. The only dude that motives Ben it seems like and would be a great match up

If we make the Finals I really want the opponent to be Utah even though we wouldn't have home court advantage.  For whatever reason I feel like our squad really hates that team.  And the feeling might be mutual. 

14 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Does everyone forget Joel is back there? He should be 2nd team All Defensive Team. The best wing defender in the league and top 2 anchor is more than enough to cover for Lillard especially if Maxey improves. 

I would rather the team resign Green on a 2/12 or something than Covington. 

Cause embiid can’t guard wings or guards out on the perimeter of thybulle gets into foul trouble. Even with him back there you still need more than one plus defender on your team out on the perimeter. It’s enough if embiid misses games like he always does and thybulle if he gets into foul trouble? I don’t think that’s enough. George hill really hasn’t impressed me so far here and i don’t think maxey is ready for that role as defensive stopper 

im guessing the sixers re-sign green anyway and if they make a deal later likely use that contract to match salaries. but he’s going to be 34. So at some point he’s going to decline even  more. I rather have Covington off the bench if I’m making that move then what they currently have in terms of a wing defender behind thybulle. Just to point out Covington shot 38% from three this year. Covington averaged 9.3 points per game this postseason and actually shot 50% from 3 and only one on the blazers who played just solid defense. Also making just 12.9 mil and an expiring contract at the end of next year. I’d take that for a bench piece in the postseason. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Cause embiid can’t guard wings or guards out on the perimeter of thybulle gets into foul trouble. Even with him back there you still need more than one plus defender on your team out on the perimeter. It’s enough if embiid misses games like he always does and thybulle if he gets into foul trouble? I don’t think that’s enough. George hill really hasn’t impressed me so far here and i don’t think maxey is ready for that role as defensive stopper 

im guessing the sixers re-sign green anyway and if they make a deal later likely use that contract to match salaries. but he’s going to be 34. So at some point he’s going to decline even  more. I rather have Covington off the bench if I’m making that move then what they currently have in terms of a wing defender behind thybulle. Just to point out Covington shot 38% from three this year. Covington averaged 9.3 points per game this postseason and actually shot 50% from 3 and only one on the blazers who played just solid defense. Also making just 12.9 mil and an expiring contract at the end of next year. I’d take that for a bench piece in the postseason. 

Just keep Simmons if going to worry so much about defense.

How many teams will have 3 all defensive guys this year, let alone two? It is enough

 

23 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Just keep Simmons if going to worry so much about defense.

How many teams will have 3 all defensive guys this year, let alone two? It is enough

 

So curry and lillard who play very little defense. Curry even with embiid and Simmons out there curry is getting annihilated on that end in this series. So now you are going to have lillard and curry out there. good luck on the defensive end with to below average defenders who are also likely one had to guard someone 3-4 inches taller than him to begin with

secondly I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want Robert Covington. First off he’s an above average wing defender. Plus he just shot 38% from three this year. And in the playoffs he shot 50%. Plus he’s only making $12.9 million next year and expiring contract. That’s not that much. That is a reasonable price for a bench guy who can give you 8 to 10 points a night and good defense for about 20 minutes. Furthermore if he doesn’t work out since he’s an expiring contract you can use him to match salary in any other deal to help you. So he has more value than just a player because that contract is the last year of his contract and some team might be willing to take it so they get the expiring contract and cap space.

Covington was a bad fit as a starter but if you have him coming off the bench as your six man or your seventh guy which you’re going need if you insert thybulle into the starting lineup and green who’s declining and going to be 34 he’s fine.

 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So curry and lillard who play next to no defense even with embiid and Simmons out there curry is getting annihilated in this series. So now you are going to have lillard and curry out there. good luck 

secondly I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want Robert Covington. First off he’s an above average wing defender. Plus he just shot 40% from three this year. And in the playoffs he shot 50%. Plus he’s only making $12.9 million next year. That is a reasonable price for a bench guy who can give you 8 to 10 points a night and good defense for about 20 minutes. Furthermore if he doesn’t work out since he’s an expiring contract you can use them to match salary in any other deal to help you. So he has more value than just a player because that contract is the last year of his contract and some team might be willing to take it so they get the expiring contract and cap space  

 

Doc will start Covington and  stifle the development of Thybulle. We all saw it this year not giving Maxey time and Joe zero time. At the very least give them minutes so they have film and some trade value. 

Seth will be 31 in August who says he has to start if had Dame? He would be a bigger weapon off the bench in my opinion 

38 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Doc will start Covington and  stifle the development of Thybulle. We all saw it this year not giving Maxey time and Joe zero time. At the very least give them minutes so they have film and some trade value 

So we don’t take Covington who could help the sixers in a rotation and even his contract as trade value because we just under the assumption that doc would not play thybulle?  Your argument fails to see if they re-sign green that doc just continues to use green to start over thybulle and hinders his progress that way like he has. So that could happen regardless. I much rather have a Covington in my back pocket to use in a trade or give help to the sixers rotation then guys doc will use like korkmaz who you know they’ll bring back and doc will use him 

Also green at this point of his career is basically Covington except 3 years older and declining. Green this year 9.5ppg, 41%, 40.5% 3pt, 3 boards, 1.7 asts, 1.3 steals and .8 blocks. Covington this year 8.5 ppg, 40%, 38% 3pt, 6.7 boards, 1.7 asts, 1.4 steals and 1.2 blocks.

On joe and maxey, would I’ve liked them to play more? Obviously. Would they likely be better? Likely. However show me out of the eight teams (besides nuggets and hawks, the rest true title contenders) remaining where rookies playing significant or a bunch of minutes for them. You’re not going to find many rookies on those teams playing those kind of minutes knowing their title contenders. Nuggets have campazzo who’s 29 and only out there cause of Murray’s injury. Otherwise you don’t see many playoff contenders using rookies significantly or giving them a bunch of minutes in the regular season and hoping to be major contributors in the playoffs. This ain’t just a doc thing that’s an nba title contender thing where it just doesn’t happen because usually your bench is better and filled with veterans cause you are a title contender. The Suns took jalen smith 10 last year as a PF that can also help at center. he played 27 games and 5 mins a game. After ayton, the Suns desperately need size cause they really don’t have it if he gets into foul trouble. Yet the Suns also didn’t use him. So Monty Williams did the same thing when he badly needed a backup big (that showed up big time when AD was healthy in that Lakers series and ayton had to leave the floor and Kaminsky came on or went small and got destroyed)

Also the reason why maxey has struggled more in this series is because the hawks aren’t complete garbage on defense like the wizards. I think people got way too excited about that wizard series with maxey And didn’t realize just how bad the wizards defense is when they gave up 129 points to the 76ers without embiid. It was always going to be be tougher for the sixers bench this series given the level of competition and defense atlanta actually plays 

I'll be honest it is hard to have a back and forth when you write a book everytime. 

Is a reason Covington is on his 5th team since 18/19 and the defense did not improve one bit with the Blazers. Where at least Green had been on teams that know how to win. 

This is all hypothetical because Ben will have enough big games to give his team hope and to be honest if Joel continues to carry them they just might win a title. 

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

 

Seth will be 31 in August who says he has to start if had Dame? He would be a bigger weapon off the bench in my opinion 

So now you now are replacing three total starters cause you don’t really want green back to start thybulle and you are moving curry to the bench. So your plan for that just move maxey to starting guard alongside lillard and thybulle replaces Green? First the blazers are likely to want maxey or thybulle as part of that Simmons trade. So you might not have thybulle and maxey both here if the sixers make that lillard trade. then you are starting Hill, which is ok but he hasn’t exactly lit it on fire when he’s been here and aging and decline. And your bench still is lacking cause at that point you have just curry who’s reliable coming off of it. Shake who’s inconsistent. as korkmaz, howard are free agents (i think both are back) and joe and reed haven’t proven anything. 

25 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I'll be honest it is hard to have a back and forth when you write a book everytime. 

Is a reason Covington is on his 5th team since 18/19 and the defense did not improve one bit with the Blazers. Where at least Green had been on teams that know how to win. 

This is all hypothetical because Ben will have enough big games to give his team hope and to be honest if Joel continues to carry them they just might win a title. 

so because I take the time to write you a thorough response showing you the eight teams left in the playoffs did exactly like what doc did and don’t have rookies playing significant/big mins. Or statistical evidence of Danny green vs. Covington production. Or maxey playing a better team could be some of his struggles this series. So because i went into great detail about that it was too much to read and respond? 

Chris Paul is on his 4th team in 5 years. Danny green has been on 4 teams in 4 years.  So under your logic there’s a reason for that... 

if you have 1 defender on that team and 4 other starters who can’t defend anyone it makes no difference (powell is an Ok defender, got there 27 games left ina condensed season). You think Simmons going there by himself is making that team into an upper echelon defense. You need more than 1 above average defender with how bad the blazers were a majority of the season defensively at 4 of their 5 starting positions 

24 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

so because I take the time to write you a thorough response showing you the eight teams left in the playoffs did exactly like what doc did and don’t have rookies playing significant/big mins. Or statistical evidence of Danny green vs. Covington production. Or maxey playing a better team could be some of his struggles this series. So because i went into great detail about that it was too much to read and respond? 

Chris Paul is on his 4th team in 5 years. Danny green has been on 4 teams in 4 years.  So under your logic there’s a reason for that... 

if you have 1 defender on that team and 4 other starters who can’t defend anyone it makes no difference (powell is an Ok defender, got there 27 games left ina condensed season). You think Simmons going there by himself is making that team into an upper echelon defense. You need more than 1 above average defender with how bad the blazers were a majority of the season defensively at 4 of their 5 starting positions 

Your input is always appreciated.  I think what he was saying is you might be able to get to the point without having to type a whole bunch of paragraphs each time.  If someone is casually scrolling through the blog, they might tend to skip posts that are very lengthy.  

+900 for Ben to have a triple double tonight.  I wanna place the bet but I am scared that if he ****s the bed, I will be even more angry that I placed money on it.  A loss that Ben only scores 7 points and a possible loss because of it might make me lose my mind 😂

13 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Your input is always appreciated.  I think what he was saying is you might be able to get to the point without having to type a whole bunch of paragraphs each time.  If someone is casually scrolling through the blog, they might tend to skip posts that are very lengthy.  

Some of that stuff needed the detail. I went into detail about all the title contenders in the league doing the same as doc. It isn’t a doc thing not playing rookies as title contenders. Monty Williams was great this year and he did that with a kid they drafted 10 at a position they badly needed behind ayton and in their rotation. 

If you want to skip it cause it’s long then skip it. However it’s better than a one sentence response of well he’s played for 5 teams since 18-19. First he only played four 4 teams in his career: Philly, Minnesota, Houston and Portland. Second Minnesota and Houston were in rebuilds so they cashed in on his value to a playoff team. That’s the reason he has changed teams so much over that time 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Some of that stuff needed the detail. I went into detail about all the contenders in the league doing the same as doc. It isn’t a doc thing not playing rookies as title contenders. Monty Williams was great this year and he did that with a kid they drafted 10 at a position they badly needed behind ayton and in their rotation. 

If you want to skip it cause it’s long then skip it. However it’s better than a one sentence response of well he’s played for 5 teams since 18-19. First he only played four 4 teams in his career: Philly, Minnesota, Houston and Portland. Second Minnesota and Houston were in rebuilds so they cashed in on his value to a playoff team. That’s the reason he has changed teams so much over that time 

I was not trying to get involved in both your arguments.  I was just giving you some friendly advice from an outside perspective, that's all.

13 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

+900 for Ben to have a triple double tonight.  I wanna place the bet but I am scared that if he ****s the bed, I will be even more angry that I placed money on it.  A loss that Ben only scores 7 points and a possible loss because of it might make me lose my mind 😂

I’d bet on the Suns tonight against the nuggets. I don’t see the nuggets covering -1.5 Unless the nuggets front court dominates the Suns front court by 2x, the nuggets back court can’t make up the difference (unlikely as ayton, bridges given nugs trouble all year and crowder is solid)

cp3 and Booker: 77 points, 25 boards and 36 asts

campazzo and rivers: 30 points, 12 boards and 12 assists 

14 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

I was not trying to get involved in both your arguments.  I was just giving you some friendly advice from an outside perspective, that's all.

I got you. Will take it into consideration.

However it is also bad to respond with it’s too long so i don’t want too then use an argument that is 5 teams when he played for 4 teams in that time (phi, mn, hou and port) and a theory that doesn’t really hold water. Again Covington only got dealt from the twovles and rockets due to being in rebuild mode so they cashed out on his value to a playoff team that wanted him and thought he was a valuable piece for them