I haven’t felt this bad since Carson got hurt during the Super Bowl run. 

3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

mccollum is a lot better, imo. seth is better suited in the role he played for every season of his career prior to this one...shooter off the bench.

anyway, is mccollum a better fit than simmons?  that's the real question. 

I think McCollum was in his prime a lot better. I think he’s still better but $22 million better? I don’t know about that. Personally I think his stats are also a little inflated playing along side lillard all these years. he’s not defended usually against the opposing teams top wing/guard defender. That’ll change in here. 

he is. However he’s also coming off an injury riddled season and about to be 30. So how many great years does he have left or is his body already beginning to break down. 

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

I haven’t felt this bad since Carson got hurt during the Super Bowl run. 

really?

what did you expect during these playoffs?  i mean, if you've watched the past 3 seasons, you had to know ben would kill them in the playoffs like he always has. 

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

I haven’t felt this bad since Carson got hurt during the Super Bowl run. 

They weren’t beating the Bucks and/or Suns based on what we saw. For that reason, I can’t be too upset. 

3 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

They weren’t beating the Bucks and/or Suns based on what we saw. For that reason, I can’t be too upset. 

I mean, especially after Embiid got hurt. That was the end.

3 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

I haven’t felt this bad since Carson got hurt during the Super Bowl run. 

Idk i kind of accepted the inevitability of what was happening after game 5’s debacle. To me this series was lost game 4 and 5 when they failed to put the hawks out of their misery up 18 and 26. Usually teams don’t recover from those types of losses. the sixers managed to somehow win game 6 but really the end of that game felt like they survived more than won. 

the Suns would destroy this team right now. The bucks would beat us even if you don’t think they are playing at a championship level right now. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think McCollum was in his prime a lot better. I think he’s still better but $22 million better? I don’t know about that. Personally I think his stats are also a little inflated playing along side lillard all these years. he’s not defended usually against the opposing teams top wing/guard defender. That’ll change in here. 

he is. However he’s also coming off an injury riddled season and about to be 30. So how many great years does he have left or is his body already beginning to break down. 

hopefully he has 2-3 good years left. that's the window w/ embiid. cj is coming off his career high ppg, so i don't think he's washed. injury history is always a gamble...but that's the best you're going to get for a guy who just completely crapped the bed in the playoffs. worth the gamble, imo. 

6 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

They weren’t beating the Bucks and/or Suns based on what we saw. For that reason, I can’t be too upset. 

Yep. 

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/11-ben-simmons-trade-ideas-sixers-fans-after-loss-hawks

Luka Doncic

The Mavericks are reportedly having trouble keeping their young megastar happy. The organization just watched its general manager duck out. Doncic and Embiid would probably be the best two-man combination in the league starting next year.

VERDICT: Yes

Damian Lillard

Lillard has dug himself in as the superstar not willing to leave his original team, and hellbent on making it work there. I can't imagine the Blazers will be able to uproot him. But if the Sixers could do it, it's a no-brainer.

VERDICT: Yes

Kyle Lowry

The Sixers tried to add Lowry at the trade deadline, and they're reportedly still interested in pursuing him this offseason. He's a perfect fit with Embiid and Tobias Harris, a point guard who gets his own shot and brings the energy every night. 

VERDICT: Yes

CJ McCollum

McCollum isn't a slam-dunk superstar, but he's a pretty great No. 2 or No. 3 option in your offense, another guy who solves the Simmons conundrum of "what exactly does this guy do when he needs to get a bucket?"

 

VERDICT: Yes

Zach LaVine

LaVine's reputation on defense might worry some, but the Sixers trading defensive stardom for bona fide offensive excellence when their defense is still anchored by Embiid is perfectly fine.

VERDICT: Yes

Dejounte Murray

Murray is a fascinating case, because his game is what Simmons should be aiming for. He's a pass-first point guard with length and defensive brilliance who doesn't like shooting from range, but he still does it and is perfectly fine at it. He's not Simmons... but with each passing year, it seems like he might be close enough.

VERDICT: Maybe

Malcolm Brogdon

The Sixers were reportedly interested in Brogdon during the Summer of Horf, and he's a perfect fit for the current squad: a do-it-all guy on offense with defensive sturdiness. Plus you can reunite Brogdon with former Pacers assistant Dan Burke, who overlapped with Brogdon's first year in Indy.

VERDICT: Yes

Zion Williamson

Zion is such a weird case. You definitely want him on your team, because he scores and is an efficiency wunderkind on offense, but he doesn't seem interested in defense and has his own jump shot question marks. But he's young and his ceiling is much higher than Simmons', so...

VERDICT: Yes

Anthony Edwards

Edwards came on really strong in the second half of his rookie year. His confidence in his offensive game is basically the anti-Simmons, and he has the energy level to eventually become a halfway solid defender. Plus he's super young and cost-controlled for a few more years.

VERDICT: Maybe

Literally any superstar

It's becoming more and more clear that Simmons is not a superstar, and in the NBA you need superstars to win. Embiid is a superstar, but in 2021 having your only superstar be a post player isn't a winning formula.

VERDICT: Yes

Patty Mills and two tacos

This idea was apparently floated on WIP's Morning Show on Thursday, in the aftermath of that miserable loss. I've got to say, if we're talking South Philly Barbacoa then I don't hate it.

VERDICT: Maybe, if you're hungry

 

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

hopefully he has 2-3 good years left. that's the window w/ embiid. cj is coming off his career high ppg, so i don't think he's washed. injury history is always a gamble...but that's the best you're going to get for a guy who just completely crapped the bed in the playoffs. worth the gamble, imo. 

I don’t think he’s washed. However i also think he’s going to face the better defenders here then in Portland. In Portland, lillard is guarded by the opposing teams best perimeter defender. Embiid is here but he isn’t getting that defender. I’m curious to see McCollum when he’s not playing alongside lillard consistently. I am guessing his scoring numbers drop off, the question becomes how much. 

Im not opposed to it but I’m not head over heels about it either. I’d love to know what else is out there before pulling that trigger. 

12 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

cj is a lot better than seth. there's a reason why this was seth's first season as a full-time starter...he's very limited. mccollum has been a starter for 6 seasons & has averaged 20+ ppg in each of those seasons.  it's really not close at all.

seth is a year older too. 

It is closer than you think. Cj might be a better shot creator but not at 30,33,35 million over the next few years when he missed 18 games two years ago and 15 this year. 

Seth had a WS of 4.0 this year and 1.6 in the playoffs. When he got more opportunities this playoffs his Offensive Box Plus/Minus was at 3.9 vs -0.1 in the regular season. 

CJ had a WS of 4.7 and has gone down every year since 2016 when he was at 7.6 and his playoff WS was 0. His OBPM was - 0.4 in the payoffs vs 4.9 in the regular season. 

CJ doesn't even get to the line more at just 2.8 a game last year vs 1.4 for Curry. Curry is a better 3P%, FT%, defensively even. 

We saw what Seth could do when given the opportunity this playoffs. They might be nerdy numbers but these numbers are what made Morey good at his job.  To me CJ isn't worth it for a guy in which his advanced numbers are falling every single year. 

 

14 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Simmons should be forced to shoot 1,000 foul shots per day. And work on a 10 foot Jump Shot. With his right hand.

If he hasn't covered off on that in the previous four offseasons—knowing that it's a huge weakness for him, I wouldn't expect it now.  

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think he’s washed. However i also think he’s going to face the better defenders here then in Portland. In Portland, lillard is guarded by the opposing teams best perimeter defender. Embiid is here but he isn’t getting that defender. I’m curious to see McCollum when he’s not playing alongside lillard consistently. I am guessing his scoring numbers drop off, the question becomes how much. 

Im not opposed to it but I’m not head over heels about it either. I’d love to know what else is out there before pulling that trigger. 

good. let the opposing team's best perimeter defender guard mccollum....that opens things up for everyone else. give me cj in the starting lineup and seth providing scoring off the bench...something they badly need. 

2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

It is closer than you think. Cj might be a better shot creator but not at 30,33,35 million over the next few years when he missed 18 games two years ago and 15 this year. 

Seth had a WS of 4.0 this year and 1.6 in the playoffs. When he got more opportunities this playoffs his Offensive Box Plus/Minus was at 3.9 vs -0.1 in the regular season. 

CJ had a WS of 4.7 and has gone down every year since 2016 when he was at 7.6 and his playoff WS was 0. His OBPM was - 0.4 in the payoffs vs 4.9 in the regular season. 

CJ doesn't even get to the line more at just 2.8 a game last year vs 1.4 for Curry. Curry is a better 3P%, FT%, defensively even. 

We saw what Seth could do when given the opportunity this playoffs. They might be nerdy numbers but these numbers are what made Morey good at his job.  To me CJ isn't worth it for a guy in which his advanced numbers are falling every single year. 

 

it's not seth vs cj.  they'd have both.

it's paying cj big money or paying simmons big money. i'd rather pay cj...because he can shoot a basketball. 

5 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/11-ben-simmons-trade-ideas-sixers-fans-after-loss-hawks

Luka Doncic

The Mavericks are reportedly having trouble keeping their young megastar happy. The organization just watched its general manager duck out. Doncic and Embiid would probably be the best two-man combination in the league starting next year.

VERDICT: Yes

Damian Lillard

Lillard has dug himself in as the superstar not willing to leave his original team, and hellbent on making it work there. I can't imagine the Blazers will be able to uproot him. But if the Sixers could do it, it's a no-brainer.

VERDICT: Yes

Kyle Lowry

The Sixers tried to add Lowry at the trade deadline, and they're reportedly still interested in pursuing him this offseason. He's a perfect fit with Embiid and Tobias Harris, a point guard who gets his own shot and brings the energy every night. 

VERDICT: Yes

CJ McCollum

McCollum isn't a slam-dunk superstar, but he's a pretty great No. 2 or No. 3 option in your offense, another guy who solves the Simmons conundrum of "what exactly does this guy do when he needs to get a bucket?"

 

VERDICT: Yes

Zach LaVine

LaVine's reputation on defense might worry some, but the Sixers trading defensive stardom for bona fide offensive excellence when their defense is still anchored by Embiid is perfectly fine.

VERDICT: Yes

Dejounte Murray

Murray is a fascinating case, because his game is what Simmons should be aiming for. He's a pass-first point guard with length and defensive brilliance who doesn't like shooting from range, but he still does it and is perfectly fine at it. He's not Simmons... but with each passing year, it seems like he might be close enough.

VERDICT: Maybe

Malcolm Brogdon

The Sixers were reportedly interested in Brogdon during the Summer of Horf, and he's a perfect fit for the current squad: a do-it-all guy on offense with defensive sturdiness. Plus you can reunite Brogdon with former Pacers assistant Dan Burke, who overlapped with Brogdon's first year in Indy.

VERDICT: Yes

Zion Williamson

Zion is such a weird case. You definitely want him on your team, because he scores and is an efficiency wunderkind on offense, but he doesn't seem interested in defense and has his own jump shot question marks. But he's young and his ceiling is much higher than Simmons', so...

VERDICT: Yes

Anthony Edwards

Edwards came on really strong in the second half of his rookie year. His confidence in his offensive game is basically the anti-Simmons, and he has the energy level to eventually become a halfway solid defender. Plus he's super young and cost-controlled for a few more years.

VERDICT: Maybe

Literally any superstar

It's becoming more and more clear that Simmons is not a superstar, and in the NBA you need superstars to win. Embiid is a superstar, but in 2021 having your only superstar be a post player isn't a winning formula.

VERDICT: Yes

Patty Mills and two tacos

This idea was apparently floated on WIP's Morning Show on Thursday, in the aftermath of that miserable loss. I've got to say, if we're talking South Philly Barbacoa then I don't hate it.

VERDICT: Maybe, if you're hungry

 

Some of these aren’t realistic. Like they aren’t getting luka and the mavs would laugh in your face. Ditto for Zion tbh. Also i don’t think edwards is realistic either. The only realistic ones are murray, brogdon and McCollum. If you made that lowry trade you bette those Lowry doesn’t completely fall off from ages 34-36. I think he’s way too risky at this age. 

Lavine depends on what the bulls do and if he wants to stay there. He’s a FA at the end of 21-22. I’m guessing the bulls want a full offseason with him and vucevic and til the deadline to see what they are before making that decision if he doesn’t get an extension before then. 

here's a curveball:

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/trail-blazers/rumors-could-blazers-trade-cj-mccollum-paul-george-or-tobias-harris

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Some of these aren’t realistic. Like they aren’t getting luka and the mavs would laugh in your face. Ditto for Zion tbh. Also i don’t think edwards is realistic either. The only realistic ones are murray, brogdon and McCollum. If you made that lowry trade you bette those Lowry doesn’t completely fall off from ages 34-36. I think he’s way too risky at this age. 

Lavine depends on what the bulls do and if he wants to stay there. He’s a FA at the end of 21-22. I’m guessing the bulls want a full offseason with him and vucevic and til the deadline to see what they are before making that decision if he doesn’t get an extension before then. 

lowry is a free agent.

whoever wrote that list should stop writing lists. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Some of these aren’t realistic. Like they aren’t getting luka and the mavs would laugh in your face. Ditto for Zion tbh. Also i don’t think edwards is realistic either. The only realistic ones are murray, brogdon and McCollum. If you made that lowry trade you bette those Lowry doesn’t completely fall off from ages 34-36. I think he’s way too risky at this age. 

Lavine depends on what the bulls do and if he wants to stay there. He’s a FA at the end of 21-22. I’m guessing the bulls want a full offseason with him and vucevic and til the deadline to see what they are before making that decision if he doesn’t get an extension before then. 

Yeah, it's going to take more than Simmons to make a trade. Maybe Thybull and Maxey and a first round pick as well. 

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

here's a curveball to consider:

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/trail-blazers/rumors-could-blazers-trade-cj-mccollum-paul-george-or-tobias-harris

 

lowry is a free agent.

whoever wrote that list should stop writing lists. 

I’m assuming they meant it was gonna be a sign and trade scenario where Simmons goes to Toronto. I wouldn’t do that i think Lowry at ages 34-36 making that type of money (rumor is he wants 3 years around 30 mil per) is a horford type move where the decline is coming and it’s not worth it. 

3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

it's not seth vs cj.  they'd have both.

it's paying cj big money or paying simmons big money. i'd rather pay cj...because he can shoot a basketball. 

Rather give the spots to Maxey and Curry/Shake and get a wing shot creator. 

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

here's a curveball to consider:

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/trail-blazers/rumors-could-blazers-trade-cj-mccollum-paul-george-or-tobias-harris

 

lowry is a free agent.

whoever wrote that list should stop writing lists. 

Good. Sign Lowry to a deal. 

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/BY CLEVIS MURRAY6, 2021

/BY CLEVIS MURRAY

Just now, DaEagles4Life said:

Rather give the spots to Maxey and Curry/Shake and get a wing shot creator. 

Just now, jsdarkstar said:

Good. Sign Lowry to a deal. 

JUN

JUN 6, 2021

/BY CLEVIS MURRAY6, 2021

/BY CLEVIS MURRAY

They don’t have the cap space to just sign Lowry. It would have to be a sign and trade in order to get it done. 

Just now, mr_hunt said:

no cap room to sign a big $ free agent. 

Won't trading Ben create space? 

2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Rather give the spots to Maxey and Curry/Shake and get a wing shot creator. 

i feel like most of the league wants that. Not sure who’s available on the market that you could get in that mold and for Simmons. I think if you want a high level one that you’re likely giving up a ton of picks, Simmons and Maxey. And I’m not sure that’s enough tbh. 

2 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Won't trading Ben create space? 

When trading Ben you can’t just trade him for cap space. you have to match salary going out and coming in. So you don’t clear cap space by just simply trading him. It’s why the sixers are stuck between a rock and a hard place with him and Harris’ contracts