You can blame Ben for this but now Maxey and possible Thybulle too will have to be packaged together if you wanna get a true impact player. 2 of Maxey, Shake and Thybulle may need to be packaged because of Bens turtling act. 

7 hours ago, Mat said:

Some team in a small market with a 'star' that wants out will go after Simmons. He has name value as a former ROY, number 1 pick and the All-Defensive first team candidate.

GM's and coaches all like to think they're the smartest guys in the room so they may also find someone that thinks they can fix his shooting woes. Hell, Kwame Brown made 63 million dollars based off potential. 

Being a max contract it may be tougher for teams to take on but the Magic, Pistons, Wolves of the world wouldn't blink. It's just a matter of what you can get back.

That’s the whole point. The question isn’t if he can be traded, anyone can be traded the thing is you will get nothing but a bad contract and maybe a worthless draft pick. 

Ibwould trade thybulle before maxey. He cant shoot

Barkley just predicted the Bucks will sweep. It’s official, the Hawks in 7. 

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Barkley just predicted the Bucks will sweep. It’s official, the Hawks in 7. 

I don't think the bucks sweep that series but the bucks are a bad matchup for the hawks. The bucks have size and length to defend Trae young and more than just one defender. They can run Jrue, giannis, tucker and Middleton if need be. Plus they have better offensive weapons than the sixers. I’d be surprised if that series goes more than 6. I think the bucks win it in 5. 

46 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

i don’t think the sixers beat the bucks in the next round or the Suns if they got to the finals. The bucks aren’t playing great but still better than the sixers who could barely score 100 by the end of the hawks series. Or the clippers if kawhi somehow got back.

I thought the sixers if they beat the raptors in 2019 would’ve beaten the bucks the following round and with the injuries GS was dealing with they likely would’ve won that. I truly believe the sixers were that kawhi shot away from winning a title that year. This year their path was easier the first two rounds but i still don’t think they were better than the teams they’d have to face in the next round. 

Against the Raptors, Joel had a bad post-season because he was out of shape. The team wasnt playing as well as it should have. Everyone assumed they would win that series, and move on from there. But that team was still flawed. People assume theyd have won based on how we think they should have been capable of playing.

This team, Joel got hurt and by this 2nd round he was only able to perform for about a quarter and a half or so, max. The rest of his time on the court was a waste. And Danny Green got hurt. For those reasons, we came up short. But this team, if healthy (always the caveat) was going to beat any remaining team. Based on how they should have been capable of playing.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31639868/nba-playoffs-2021-difference-how-fouls-called-warping-nba-offenses

47 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Thoughts on these two trades... not sure Indy or the bulls do it but if you do this and get Simmons for Lavine/markkanen you have a really good starting lineup. 

would be brogdon, Lavine, lavert, markkanen and embiid. Have curry, thybulle, green off the bench plus a MLE and horford trade exception. 

 

excellent.

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Against the Raptors, Joel had a bad post-season because he was out of shape. The team wasnt playing as well as it should have. Everyone assumed they would win that series, and move on from there. But that team was still flawed. People assume theyd have won based on how we think they should have been capable of playing.

This team, Joel got hurt and by this 2nd round he was only able to perform for about a quarter and a half or so, max. The rest of his time on the court was a waste. And Danny Green got hurt. For those reasons, we came up short. But this team, if healthy (always the caveat) was going to beat any remaining team. Based on how they should have been capable of playing.

You still think they are better than Suns, clippers (healthy) and even bucks. I don’t think this team was better than those three. I think this team came up short because they didn’t have enough offensive scoring to beat a team like Phoenix or clippers when healthy. Even if embiid was healthy he would have to be scoring 50 a night to overcome some of the offensive issues this team had games 4-7. 

They couldn’t even beat the hawks who were down Hunter and reddish this series, bogdanovic dealing with a knee injury and embiid averaged 31 a game and Seth averaging 21 ppg. Even the bucks it’s a bad matchup when Jrue would take out curry with his defense. Curry was the only other consistent threat throughout the hawks series. Middleton has made life hard on tobias in the past. Harris was awful in 4 of the last 6 games against the bucks.  Simmons is a headcase right now. And your bench is inconsistent.

im sorry the rest of the parts weren’t better than a healthy clippers, Suns and likely bucks team. Like the clippers without their best player for two games beat the jazz 4 in a row. There’s a chance when healthy the sixers couldn’t do that. 

indy & chicago get robbed in those scenarios. 

31 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Ideally i wouldn’t trade any of those three. But I’m not against trading Maxey or thybulle even though i think Maxey becomes a good starting PG. Frankly if you want to get the best value for Ben i have a feeling one of those guys are going to have to be included. 

The two trades i proposed gives you this lineup which i would think is a top 3 team in the east and plenty of spacing for embiid. 

PG— brogdon

SG— Lavine

SF— Lavert

PF— markkanen

C— embiid

bench: curry, green (re-sign), thybulle, korkmaz (re-sign), MLE and horford trade exception 

This is one of those super deep and solid through and through rosters that I yearn for. No one has been with me, instead wanting a compilation of superstars.

This is the kind of lineup I think you cant defend. Because you never know who is going to be hot. You try to focus on stopping Brogdon but LaVine might be scorching you. Or LaVert. And you still have Embiid...

Markkaen can stretch the floor. 

Thats one of those phoenix type teams with really 1 star, but everyone else is just really really solid. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You still think they are better than Suns, clippers (healthy) and even bucks.

I think they were better. Effort for some, and injury for others let them down. But all things equal, once those superstar teams like the Nets, and LA teams were out, 6ers were the best remaining. 

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

indy & chicago get robbed in those scenarios. 

I was going to include first round picks but it doesn’t allow me to do so. I’m guessing there’s more in there then just those players. the bulls need to crap or get off the pot with Lavine. He’s a free agent at the end of the year so the longer they wait the less they are going to get and he could just leave. Only reason i mention markkanen is he wants out (Arizona source) and the bulls are willing to deal him. 

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

indy & chicago get robbed in those scenarios. 

Yeah. I'm a Pacer fan and I get the feeling they love Lavert. Him and Brogdan for an overpaid Harris and Maxey? I don't see it IMO.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think they were better. Effort for some, and injury for others let them down. But all things equal, once those superstar teams like the Nets, and LA teams were out, 6ers were the best remaining. 

I think you are undervaluing Booker and Cp3. That’s a massive difference between Simmons and curry. Plus bridges as crowder are good matchups on Harris. Also ayton has been good to very good defensively even when AD was healthy. He made jokic work for everything he got that series. I’d add even in the sixers matchup this year embiid wasn’t nearly as efficient. I have to find the tweet but ayton played the best defense of anyone this year against embiid. 

Also think PG playing like he is right now and kawhi with the surrounding cast is a much better roster. Embiid would get his not sure anyone else does. 

4 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Yeah. I'm a Pacer fan and I get the feeling they love Lavert. Him and Brogdan for an overpaid Harris and Maxey? I don't see it IMO.

I think the issue for the pacers is lavert and brogdon have a high chance of leaving in 2 years. they get a better package? Possibly. However i know Indy a couple years ago along with utah were the 2 teams that were going to go after Harris. 

i think Indy needs to just go into a complete rebuild if we are being honest. I think they are where the sixers were prior to the process. 

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31681488/philadelphia-76ers-plan-address-ben-simmons-shooting-woes-doc-rivers-says

Sounds like Simmons follows the 76ers shooting program to a tee or he’s gone. 

5 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31681488/philadelphia-76ers-plan-address-ben-simmons-shooting-woes-doc-rivers-says

Sounds like Simmons follows the 76ers shooting program to a tee or he’s gone. 

Honestly I’m not sure the shooting program is enough. Can fix and work on his shot but that doesn’t mean he has the confidence to actually shoot it in a game. This seems mental and he is going to need help mentally to get through this.

Watch Simmons summer league and he’s there taking jumpers and pull-ups. Hitting them too. It’s amazing he was a better offensive player then compared to today.   

 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the issue for the pacers is lavert and brogdon have a high chance of leaving in 2 years. they get a better package? Possibly. However i know Indy a couple years ago along with utah were the 2 teams that were going to go after Harris. 

i think Indy needs to just go into a complete rebuild if we are being honest. I think they are where the sixers were prior to the process. 

Not sure about the full rebuild. I'm not sure they had near a healthy team all season. Injuries hammered them. They do need to make a trade though. Maybe Turner OR Brogdan. I doubt both and I doubt Lavert.

 

Turner is an enigma IMO. Great shot blocker and great shooter for a big man and can run the floor well for his length. All three traits have have very high value in today's league. Has zero aggressiveness offensively though.

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the issue for the pacers is lavert and brogdon have a high chance of leaving in 2 years. they get a better package? Possibly. However i know Indy a couple years ago along with utah were the 2 teams that were going to go after Harris. 

i think Indy needs to just go into a complete rebuild if we are being honest. I think they are where the sixers were prior to the process. 

Oh and nothing to do with a trade but obviously firing Nate McMillan was a huge mistake. Need at least a competent coach to compete.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

I totally agree the flow is messed up and with all the pitching changes the games last much longer as well.  I'm not sure there is that much that can be done about it to be honest but it just isn't the same.

They actually have a new rule that you have to pitch to at least three batters, right?

8 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Not sure about the full rebuild. I'm not sure they had near a healthy team all season. Injuries hammered them. They do need to make a trade though. Maybe Turner OR Brogdan. I doubt both and I doubt Lavert.

 

Turner is an enigma IMO. Great shot blocker and great shooter for a big man and can run the floor well for his length. All three traits have have very high value in today's league. Has zero aggressiveness offensively though.

Even if they were fully healthy I’m not sure that team is anything better than a 5-8 seed. That’s exactly where the sixers were prior to the process with iggy, Jrue and that cast. I think that’s about the equivalent of where Indy would be. Atlanta is slightly different cause they are still young so guys will get better like Hunter and reddish and even Collins tbh. However i think the risk with lavert he goes to free agency in 2023 offseason. I think someone would pay him well in FA and at that point i don’t know where Indy is going to be  

I’d trade turner simply cause unless it’s Joker, embiid, ad and ayton is coming on strong I’m not building my franchise around a center. i also think they’d move on cause i remember in the Hayward leaving Boston that you guys were willing to part with him as part of a bigger trade. 

5 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Oh and nothing to do with a trade but obviously firing Nate McMillan was a huge mistake. Need at least a competent coach to compete.

Yeah i heard a couple podcasts talk about the nightmare coaching going on there this season. I’m shocked they waited til the end of the season to fire him. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Even if they were fully healthy I’m not sure that team is anything better than a 5-8 seed. That’s exactly where the sixers were prior to the process with iggy, Jrue and that cast. I think that’s about the equivalent of where Indy would be. Atlanta is slightly different cause they are still young so guys will get better like Hunter and reddish and even Collins tbh. 

I’d trade turner simply cause unless it’s Joker, embiid, ad and ayton is coming on strong I’m not building my franchise around a center. i also think they’d move on cause i remember in the Hayward leaving Boston that you guys were willing to part with him as part of a bigger trade. 

Yeah i heard a couple podcasts talk about the nightmare coaching going on there this season. I’m shocked they waited til the end of the season to fire him. 

They are already building around a center/power forward in Sabonis. And that's the problem with trading Turner. Sabonis is a great offensive player and rebounder but offers nothing as a rim protector.  Turner is an elite shot blocker and on offensive can provide great spacing. If you are gonna play two bigs, they compliment each other about as well as 2 modern big men can. Perimeter defense and a late game go to guy is where they fail big time. I think Lavert can grow into a "closer" type player. Defense is gonna be tougher to fix. They were good last year on D with similar personnel, maybe it was coaching but I admit I didn't watch as much this season as I usually do.

 

The other thing to keep in mind with Indiana is they are basically F'ed in the free agent market.

23 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly I’m not sure the shooting program is enough. Can fix and work on his shot but that doesn’t mean he has the confidence to actually shoot it in a game. This seems mental and he is going to need help mentally to get through this.

Watch Simmons summer league and he’s there taking jumpers and pull-ups. Hitting them too. It’s amazing he was a better offensive player then compared to today.   

 

 

It's like the rick ankiel thing.  Totally mental at this point when you simply can't do what you've always done for no apparent reason.

27 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly I’m not sure the shooting program is enough. Can fix and work on his shot but that doesn’t mean he has the confidence to actually shoot it in a game. This seems mental and he is going to need help mentally to get through this.

Watch Simmons summer league and he’s there taking jumpers and pull-ups. Hitting them too. It’s amazing he was a better offensive player then compared to today.   

 

I said it long ago. He got Fultz'd and no one ever realized it because Fultz was so glaringly bad it distracted so much from the Ben story that people just kind of thought this was what Ben was. No one noticed, he actually regressed. Just like Fultz did.