59 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

man... they only had their starting five 19 out of 65 games. 

 

If they can just get a phone and a shooter and keep the core...

17 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

You gotta love Harris. Im sorry but I do. Theres a lot of consternation about his contract. But he would look a heck of a lot better as the 3rd "star" on a team if the top 2 stars werent inadequate. One is usually injured or moping while the other one just kinda sucks and refuses to work on his game in any meaningful way. If those two guys regularly carried the team he would look great as the 3rd option. But hes often been expected to be the top dog and I guess hes just not quite good enough for that. 

I know you want more point production from a guy making Harris money. But man, the glue he provides and his dedication is admirable.

Love how he wanted to play through his injury because he basically wanted to be out on the court to go down with his guys if they were going down. He wasnt gonna sit in the back and watch. Thats cool.  Harris with his intangibles, if he was in the right role would be beloved in philly. Hes getting a bum deal here. 

 

I know you like Harris but I view it this way. I think harris is a good guy. I think he’s a great guy off the court. I think he’s good teammate.

However his career has shown he puts up good stats on a bad to mediocre teams. Do I think he would be better served if our stars played like superstars? Yes. But reality is most players would you could say that with. He’s being paid to be a third guy and if one of the two are out step up his game to be the second guy and yet he can’t do it. Since we traded for him he’s not been nearly the player we were hoping to get from the clippers. Some on him and some on brown. He got here at the deadline last year and these are his stats from regular season to post season drop off besides rebounds And assists 

regular season:

19.2ppg (47% fg; 35.6% 3) 7.2 boards and 3.1 asts

postseason 

15.3 ppg (41.1%; 30.1% 3), 9.5 boards and 4 assists 
even if you say last year they had butler so he deferred in the playoffs this year 

15.8ppg (37.7%; 13.3% 3), 11 boards and 3.5 assists 

honestly that’s not good enough for him being paid what he is. Boards are but not his scoring or shooting which is what we really need from him. I think he’s here anyway and maybe a better coach gets more out of him then brown but i kind of think he’s that guy who’s always putting up better stats on bad teams and makes you think well if we get him on a good team imagine what he can do. But really he never takes that jump. 

Trade picks to make sure you Get Kira Lewis. Then trade Josh for Spencer dinwiddie or the guard simons from Portland.

Hopefully getting swept will get Brown fired, though Brand also needs to go as well.  And hopefully whoever they bring in will realize that this team as it's been put together doesn't fit well together and they need a rebuild.  Horford needs to go.  That was a wasted signing.  I agree with HE that Harris as the 3rd option is good enough.  As a player in that role he's good enough.  It's just his contract makes it seem like he should be one of the top 2 and he's not that player.  And I do think they need to trade one of Embiid/Simmons and get 2-3 solid players plus draft picks in the deal.  I'd rather trade Simmons since he doesn't seem very interested in working on his game and becoming a better player who can be one of the NBA's elite plus he can't shoot 3s or FTs for ish.  If we get a coach that doesn't have Embiid 25ft away from the basket setting screens and has him down in the blocks where his game is strongest then that's something to build around.  Unfortunately, Embiid will probably always be prone to some type of injury at some point during the season.  We'd have 1 player capable of being 1 of the top 2 stars and the #3, so we'd just need that 1 more top 2 player who is a better fit and will actually do the work required to reach his full potential.  Whether FA or trade, need a GM who can get it done.

 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I know you like Harris but I view it this way. I think harris is a good guy. I think he’s a great guy off the court. I think he’s good teammate.

However his career has shown he puts up good stats on a bad to mediocre teams. Do I think he would be better served if our stars played like superstars? Yes. But reality is most players would you could say that with. He’s being paid to be a third guy and if one of the two are out step up his game to be the second guy and yet he can’t do it. Since we traded for him he’s not been nearly the player we were hoping to get from the clippers. Some on him and some on brown. He got here at the deadline last year and these are his stats from regular season to post season drop off besides rebounds And assists 

regular season:

19.2ppg (47% fg; 35.6% 3) 7.2 boards and 3.1 asts

postseason 

15.3 ppg (41.1%; 30.1% 3), 9.5 boards and 4 assists 
even if you say last year they had butler so he deferred in the playoffs this year 

15.8ppg (37.7%; 13.3% 3), 11 boards and 3.5 assists 

honestly that’s not good enough for him being paid what he is. Boards are but not his scoring or shooting which is what we really need from him. I think he’s here anyway and maybe a better coach gets more out of him then brown but i kind of think he’s that guy who’s always putting up better stats on bad teams and makes you think well if we get him on a good team imagine what he can do. But really he never takes that jump. 

I know its not good enough.

But he has enough other redeeming qualities that I dont think its worth complaining about nearly as much as so many people do. Not you, or people in here specifically. But also realgm, media... its widespread. I dont think its completely warranted. You want better PPG, but he delivers in many ways.

Usually if hes not scoring well on a particular night, he crashes the boards extra. Or even bumps up his assists. He has improved his defense since coming here. And aside from the good teammate and leader he seems to  be, individually he is also a really hard worker. Look at the shape he got himself in for this re-start. He knew he would be playing more SF with the Ben move and he trimmed down and looked quicker than ever.

I wish he coulda become the closer and shot creator we needed. And I wish he coulda kept up his insane 3pt % where he was shooting like 50% from corners when we traded for him (and then never got him shots in corners here). He didnt. But hes far from a complete bust.

People say this is a top 5 bad contract in the entire league. I just dont agree. I think theres too much other stuff he brings that is underrated. 

2 minutes ago, Right4thePicking said:

Trade picks to make sure you Get Kira Lewis. Then trade Josh for Spencer dinwiddie or the guard simons from Portland.

draft so far Im looking at Tyrell Terry, and a guy I just saw on the realgm boards today Skylar Mays, SG from LSU.

Those 2 seem to score. Got a nice offensive PG and SG combo to try to develop. Hopefully behind some solid vets.

21 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I know its not good enough.

But he has enough other redeeming qualities that I dont think its worth complaining about nearly as much as so many people do. Not you, or people in here specifically. But also realgm, media... its widespread. I dont think its completely warranted. You want better PPG, but he delivers in many ways.

Usually if hes not scoring well on a particular night, he crashes the boards extra. Or even bumps up his assists. He has improved his defense since coming here. And aside from the good teammate and leader he seems to  be, individually he is also a really hard worker. Look at the shape he got himself in for this re-start. He knew he would be playing more SF with the Ben move and he trimmed down and looked quicker than ever.

I wish he coulda become the closer and shot creator we needed. And I wish he coulda kept up his insane 3pt % where he was shooting like 50% from corners when we traded for him (and then never got him shots in corners here). He didnt. But hes far from a complete bust.

People say this is a top 5 bad contract in the entire league. I just dont agree. I think theres too much other stuff he brings that is underrated. 

I don’t think his contract is a top five worst. However I still don’t think he’s warranted that type of money. I think the Sixers got pushed into that position because they were gonna lose Jimmy Butler and they couldn’t afford to lose both of them.

To me he’s better suited to play power forward as a stretch four then he as a small forward. I think too many small forwards are more athletic than him and can take him off the dribble so defensively that hurts you. And lacking that athleticism in the postseason against guys like Tatum and brown on offense it shows up. At a power forward I think he’s much better in matchups and he can go out to the perimeter enough as a stretch for to be good where as small forward i think he’s just average in terms of what you want out of your 3. The issue is when they sign Horford and having been Simmons legitimately you have 3 guys who are all better served at pf or C on defense and offensively Simmons needs to be in the post, embiid needs to be in the post, horford needs to be in the post so harris has to play more on the perimeter than he really should. 

I would argue our Horford contract is top five worst in basketball And i don’t think it’s debatable. He’s not the player he was. He was declining last year and had a knee issue. So much so that the Celtics really didn’t wanna pay him unless he came back at the price they wanted. He’s an even bigger hindrance to the spacing issue that we had previously. He makes life harder for Tobias Harris because he’s playing out of position. Add on he was supposed to be this defender that could guard Giannis and literally every time I watched him guard him this year he got smoked  

When you say he brings other things are underrated I agree. However it still doesn’t justify what he’s getting paid in the types of performance is shooting why is it scoring what the Sixers need from him.  

You saw in the series why Ben Simmons is important to the Sixers vs. celtics. When you look at the analytics of what Jayson Tatum did this season with Ben Simmons guarding him, Ben Simmons had the best defense of anybody in the league against him. He struggled. You hold Tatum or make him work harder this series is likely still going on and likely pull out 2 of these 4 games imo. They were close enough. Add on if you have better coaching and a better fits of players around embiid and Simmons I think the Sixers beat the Celtics. I don’t think they win a title but I think they would at least beat the Celtics

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think his contract is a top five worst. However I still don’t think he’s warranted that type of money. I think the Sixers got pushed into that position because they were gonna lose Jimmy Butler and they couldn’t afford to lose both of them.

To me he’s better suited to play power forward as a stretch for then he has a small forward. I think too many small forwards are more athletic than him and can take him off the dribble so defensively that hurts you. And lacking that athleticism in the postseason against guys like Tatum and brown on offense it shows up. At a power forward I think he’s much better in matchups and he can go out to the perimeter enough as a stretch for to be good where as small forward i think he’s just average in terms of what you want out of your 3. The issue is when they sign Horford and having been Simmons legitimately you have 4 guys who are all better served at pf or C on defense and offensively Simmons needs to be in the post, embiid needs to be in the post, horford needs to be in the post so harris has to play more on the perimeter than he really should. 

I would argue our Horford contract is top five worst in basketball And i don’t think it’s debatable. He’s not the player he was. He was declining last year and had a knee issue. So much so that the Celtics really didn’t wanna pay him unless he came back at the price they wanted. He’s an even bigger hindrance to the spacing issue that we had previously. He makes life harder for Tobias Harris because he’s playing out of position. Add on he was supposed to be this elite defender that could guard Giannis and literally every time I watched him guard him this year he got smoked  

When you say he brings other things are underrated I agree. However it still doesn’t justify what he’s getting paid in the types of performance is shooting why is it scoring why is that the Sixers need from him.  

You saw in the series why Ben Simmons is important to the Sixers vs. celtics. When you look at the analytics of what Jayson Tatum did this season with Ben Simmons guarding him, Ben Simmons had the best defense of anybody in the league against him. He struggled. You hold Tatum or make him work harder this series is likely still going on and likely pull out 2 of these 4 games imo. They were close enough. Add on if you have better coaching and a better fits of players around embiid and Simmons I think the Sixers beat the Celtics. I don’t think they want to title but I think they would at least beat the Celtics

Yeah. Horford is a top 5 worst contract. It might make a strong case for top worst.

 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yeah. Horford is a top 5 worst contract. It might make a strong case for top worst.

 

I’d have to look at some other contracts in the league but yeah I could argue for what you’re getting out of him and what you’re paying him it’s the worst contract in the league. And it wasn’t hard to see last off-season when you and I both said that Was a horrible contract. 

I was just checking out some UFAs and RFAs, and guys with player options. I think we do have a chance to improve the team this year. 

 

Jevon Carter is an under the radar name that I really loved as a 2nd round pick target 2 years ago. I think we probably sold all of ours or something....

Hes somewhat available. I already forget if he has a player option, or is restricted or whatever.... but I got to looking for ways to get him.

Its tough to match salaries with Phoenix. They lack mid range contracts. 

Heres one I came up with. It doesnt offer a direct replacement for Richardson (MLE and draft might do that), but its a nice depth move.

Carter is a really good 3pt shooter, and a really good defender with a strong build that will allow him to defend larger players. Carter made strides in his second year this year and I think hes getting ready to break out. 

Something else I find intriguing is Jordan Clarkson for our MLE.

If we can retain Burks you can really have a potent scoring 2 guard lineup off the bench. Burks and Clarkson will be able to fill it up for us.

 

This assumes you can get the starting position solved. Possibly in one of the many trades we hopefully will be making in the coming months. 

 

Yeah... Burks and Clarkson bench defense will suck. But Id much prefer to watch a team try to outscore another team rather than the unathletic unskilled defenders we have who cant score at all and choke up our leads constantly. Im ready to swing the pendulum back in that direction. Belinelli and Redick didnt work but they were 1 dimensional - 3 point shooters. Their D was bad, and if they got ran off the 3 pt line they were also offensively limited. Burks and Clarkson would be stronger offensively which helps make up for the defensive deficiency. 

Currently watching Trey Burke keep the Mavs in this overtime game with the Clippers. 4-5 from three, 27 points I think.  I can’t wait to get a new coach. 

can they trade for chris paul and kevin love if they take horford and harris contracts? because they are only stars on the block, not unless there's other young star players that are on the block that i dont know about.

Just now, toughfighter83 said:

can they trade for chris paul and kevin love if they take horford and harris contracts? because they are only stars on the block, not unless there's other young star players that are on the block that i dont know about.

yeah thatd technically be possible. 

Youre talking about stars with bad contracts to do a bad contract swap.

There will be other options for stars. Younger stars. But require trading Ben or Embiid. Im open to pretty much anything.

 

Embiid after the game

Shots fired at Brand

"I don't make the decisions. I'm here in Philly. Whatever happens, happens," said Embiid, responding to a question about uncertainty with the franchise. "I've always said that I want to end my career here and if it happens, good. If it doesn't happen, well, you move on and all that stuff."

 

"I can be dominant down low; but then again, to help the team, it's not always about me," Embiid said. "And with the roster we have and -- if it is the same roster next year -- I gotta be able to space the floor."

Embiid, who has three years and $95 million left on his contract, said several times after the loss that he "isn't the GM" but seemed to question some of the moves the team has made over the last two years.

"I just feel like, a couple years ago, when we made the playoffs for the first time, we had a bunch of great players that were drafted here or either formed in Philly and we had a bunch of guys especially that were in a great situation," Embiid said.

"And then we, as you know, we decided to trade a lot of it with the picks and stuff for Jimmy (Butler), Tobias (Harris) and we got a bunch of great players in return. Like I said, it just didn't happen. We could never find a rhythm this year. It is disappointing. There's a lot of regrets. I felt like the focus was not always there. And we got to do better, we just got to look at ourselves in the mirror and just do better."

woj bomb!

Brett Brown is lacking "internal momentum" to return as the Philadelphia 76ers coach next season, sources told Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.

Brown has been the head coach of the Sixers since 2013, and has a regular season record of 178-314. 

Wojnarowski adds that a decision on Brown's future could come soon.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Embiid after the game

Shots fired at Brand

"I don't make the decisions. I'm here in Philly. Whatever happens, happens," said Embiid, responding to a question about uncertainty with the franchise. "I've always said that I want to end my career here and if it happens, good. If it doesn't happen, well, you move on and all that stuff."

 

"I can be dominant down low; but then again, to help the team, it's not always about me," Embiid said. "And with the roster we have and -- if it is the same roster next year -- I gotta be able to space the floor."

Embiid, who has three years and $95 million left on his contract, said several times after the loss that he "isn't the GM" but seemed to question some of the moves the team has made over the last two years.

"I just feel like, a couple years ago, when we made the playoffs for the first time, we had a bunch of great players that were drafted here or either formed in Philly and we had a bunch of guys especially that were in a great situation," Embiid said.

"And then we, as you know, we decided to trade a lot of it with the picks and stuff for Jimmy (Butler), Tobias (Harris) and we got a bunch of great players in return. Like I said, it just didn't happen. We could never find a rhythm this year. It is disappointing. There's a lot of regrets. I felt like the focus was not always there. And we got to do better, we just got to look at ourselves in the mirror and just do better."

Frankly I’m gonna be pissed off if Brand is back. I don’t want him picking the next coach when he’s on the hot seat and I don’t want him making moves to try to save his job. Hire somebody new and let them start over fresh with who they want in place. Additionally Alex Rucker and Ned Cohen can also be fired. been dog crap since Colangelo was here

Really says it all about the Sixers over the last 5 years

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly I’m gonna be pissed off if Brand is back. I don’t want him picking the next coach when he’s on the hot seat and I don’t want him making moves to try to save his job. Hire somebody new and let them start over fresh with who they want in place. Additionally Alex Rucker and Ned Cohen can also be fired. been dog crap since Colangelo was here

For sure. Me too. As much as Im ready to move on from the star nucleus, or would like to get rid of bloated contracts we can not have another season ruined by either one of Brown or Brand. Those have to be the first moves. It sounds like the Brown firing may come "soon". I hope that means tomorrow though I feel kinda bad saying that. Its just time and I dont want to wait to be nice while other options get snagged by other teams.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Really says it all about the Sixers over the last 5 years

yeah.

And, Richardson is talking about him like hes already gone. Thats a good sign.

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

For sure. Me too. As much as Im ready to move on from the star nucleus, or would like to get rid of bloated contracts we can not have another season ruined by either one of Brown or Brand. Those have to be the first moves. It sounds like the Brown firing may come "soon". I hope that means tomorrow though I feel kinda bad saying that. Its just time and I dont want to wait to be nice while other options get snagged by other teams.

yeah.

And, Richardson is talking about him like hes already gone. Thats a good sign.

I think the writing was on the wall for Brett Brown since the end of last year. Either get to the Eastern conference finals or finals or you’re out of a job. The only reason why I think he stayed past last year was because of how the Sixers lost at the buzzer to Toronto. I think Brett Brown is an average coach I don’t think he’s a bad coach. I just kind of think the team began to tune him out as the season continued on and they were struggling. It felt like that way last year before they traded for Jimmy Butler  I think it’s just time and Brett Brown was never going to be the guy that took them from where they were rebuilding to a championship.

I prefer going with shipping all bloated contracts before trading ben Simmons and embiid. The only reason I say that is I don’t trust their GM which is likely going to be brand to make a trade with those two players to get back what you’re supposed to. I look at the Sixers trades over the last 30 years and almost all of them they’ve gotten next to nothing or players that weren’t worth the players we traded for or assets that were Equal except for when hinkie made moves. My biggest worry is we trade both of those guys get less than stellar assets and find ourselves tanking all over again. Unless that’s what we want to do and if that’s the case by all means blow the whole thing up

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the writing was on the wall for Brett Brown since the end of last year. Either get to the Eastern conference finals or finals or you’re out of a job. The only reason why I think he stayed past last year was because of how the Sixers lost at the buzzer to Toronto. I think Brett Brown is an average coach I don’t think he’s a bad coach. I just kind of think the team began to tune him out as the season continued on and they were struggling. It felt like that way last year before they traded for Jimmy Butler  I think it’s just time and Brett Brown was never going to be the guy that took them from where they were rebuilding to a championship.

I prefer going with shipping all bloated contracts before trading ben Simmons and embiid. The only reason I say that is I don’t trust their GM which is likely going to be brand to make a trade with those two players to get back what you’re supposed to. I look at the Sixers trades over the last 30 years and almost all of them they’ve gotten next to nothing or players that weren’t worth the players we traded for or assets that were Equal except for when hinkie made moves. My biggest worry is we trade both of those guys get less than stellar assets and find ourselves taking all over again. Unless that’s what we want to do and if that’s the case by all means blow the whole thing up

yeah.. hopefully not. I still firmly believe we can contend even if they traded both just because you should get enough talent back. Even if no one is quite as good as the guy we are trading you should get a-LOT.  I think it can contend even after those trades and would love to see a good x's and o's coach with that abundance of talent before we think about tanking again.

Im not ready for that again. One day I will be but I dont feel like we have exhausted all options yet. 

 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah.. hopefully not. I still firmly believe we can contend even if they traded both just because you should get enough talent back. Even if no one is quite as good as the guy we are trading you should get a-LOT.  I think it can contend even after those trades and would love to see a good x's and o's coach with that abundance of talent before we think about tanking again.

Im not ready for that again. One day I will be but I dont feel like we have exhausted all options yet. 

 

In theory you should get enough talent back. However that’s not always the case especially when you have bad general managers making those trades. The history of the Sixers making trade since trading away Moses Malone has not been pretty. I do not trust this franchise to make those type of deals.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In theory you should get enough talent back. However that’s not always the case especially when you have bad general managers making those trades. The history of the Sixers making trade since trading away Moses Malone has not been pretty. I do not trust this franchise to make those type of deals.

right. at the very least you need to have a different GM doing it. Brand has proven to not be that guy. 

theres more from Richardson on the Brett Brown lack of accountability. And while this is about Brown, it seems to also be clearly about Simmons

"It just has to start, "Richardson said. "There's always gotta be a Day 1, so [you] just gotta start from scratch. It ain't gonna be easy, people [are] not gonna be comfortable, but that's what championship teams do, you know? Guys not doing their jobs on or off the court."

"There's gotta be some sort of, not consequence, but we gotta be able to talk to each other, and listen, and not listen to say something back, but actually hear it. And it's a hard lesson to learn for some people, but in order for us to make this playoff run that I think we all want — I know we all want — it's gotta start."

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

right. at the very least you need to have a different GM doing it. Brand has proven to not be that guy. 

I get the feeling Brent is going to be back for another year. And somehow Alex Rucker and Cohen who been here through the Colangelo years are still going to be here even though they deserve to be fired as much as Brett Brown