38 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

absolutely. he's good...sometimes very good. but i wish he were able to take over more of the scoring load when jojo is off. sometimes he does it in the regular season...but not consistently enough in the playoffs. and i wish he'd take more threes. he's kind of a dinosaur with his midrange game. good dude though. 

I love the mid range game.  That and running is the best part of basketball to me.  Which makes me a dinosaur.  

29 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

suns did it the right way. drafted a perimeter player (booker) who has become really damn good. drafted a big (ayton) to complement that perimeter star. then pulled off the deal for bridges who everyone thought would develop into a really good 3 & D guy...and he has.  they hit on a lot of moves & acquired players whose games complement each other. 

in comparison, here's what the sixers did with their early picks during the era where the 3 point shot was becoming so important with the rise of the warriors. 

2013    Noel & MCW
2014    Embiid & Dario
2015    Okafor
2016    Simmons
2017    Fultz
2018    Zhaire Smith
2019    Thybulle
2020    Maxey
 

sure, they drafted some shooters with 2nd round picks...korkmaz & joe come to mind...but their earliest 1st round picks for 8 years straight did not include one player i'd consider to be an above average outside shooter.  maybe you can give them a pass on fultz...but 1 still wouldn't be enough, imo. 

 

2 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

You take the Bertans contract to get Beal? 16 million a year for next 3 years and a player option @ 16 million in 24/25

Would also mean you don't have to give up as many assets to get him because taking on that horrible contract. 

You mean something like this but i think picks would still be included. 

If you do it i wouldn’t be surprised if Harris becomes a trade option to try and get a wing and go with Bertan at PF. I don’t see the sixers having bertan coming off the bench at $16 million. While Bertans wasn’t great this past year but he shot 39.5% from three this year and is a career 40.7% 3 point shooter (40 from the field but averaged 8.4 shots and 7.6 threes per game). 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You mean something like this but i think picks would still be included. 

If you do it i wouldn’t be surprised if Harris becomes a trade option to try and get a wing and go with Bertan at PF. I don’t see the sixers having bertan coming off the bench at $16 million. While Bertans wasn’t great this past year but he shot 39.5% from three this year and is a career 40.7% 3 point shooter (40 from the field but averaged 8.4 shots and 7.6 threes per game). 

 

Bertans should be coming off the bench.  He's a terrible basketball player who does one thing really good.  In no way shape or form should he be a starter in the NBA.  Hell even the Wizards who overpaid him agreed and had him come off the bench.

13 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

in comparison, here's what the sixers did with their early picks during the era where the 3 point shot was becoming so important with the rise of the warriors. 

2013    Noel & MCW
2014    Embiid & Dario
2015    Okafor
2016    Simmons
2017    Fultz
2018    Zhaire Smith
2019    Thybulle
2020    Maxey
 

sure, they drafted some shooters with 2nd round picks...korkmaz & joe come to mind...but their earliest 1st round picks for 8 years straight did not include one player i'd consider to be an above average outside shooter.  maybe you can give them a pass on fultz...but 1 still wouldn't be enough, imo. 

 

I’d just point out before 2018 the Suns drafts weren’t exactly crushing it besides devin Booker and they had some high picks. 

2012– Kendall Marshall 

2013–Alex Len and nemada nedovic

2014– Tj warren, Tyler Ennis and bojan bogdanovic (never played was stashed and then traded for Chriss)

2015– Booker 

2016– dregan bender.  georgios papagiannis (traded) and skal labissiere (traded) for Chriss

2017– josh jackson 

 

8 minutes ago, rambo said:

Bertans should be coming off the bench.  He's a terrible basketball player who does one thing really good.  In no way shape or form should he be a starter in the NBA.  Hell even the Wizards who overpaid him agreed and had him come off the bench.

I don’t disagree. I never said he was good or great. However i also don’t see the sixers sitting on $16 million dollars coming off the bench. That would be an issue cause you still would need to address backup pg and starting SF with no cap space. And thybulle has yet to prove he’s a consistent shooter to just throw him into a starting lineup consistently. You are basically back to 5 on 4 offense most nights but with two prolific scorers, Harris and Seth/maxey.  I’m not sure you start Seth and beal because your defensive backcourt is a mess. You’d have to move Seth to the bench and start maxey. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d just point out before 2018 the Suns drafts weren’t exactly crushing it besides devin Booker and they had some high picks. 

2012– Kendall Marshall 

2013–Alex Len and nemada nedovic

2014– Tj warren, Tyler Ennis and bojan bogdanovic (never played was stashed and then traded for Chriss)

2015– Booker 

2016– dregan bender.  georgios papagiannis (traded) and skal labissiere (traded) for Chriss

2017– josh jackson 

2018 - ayton & bridges

no team really crushes the nba draft consistently but the suns were able to draft 3 players who fit together extremely well in booker/ayton/bridges.  while the sixers kept drafting guys who can't shoot. 

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree. I never said he was good or great. However i also don’t see the sixers sitting on $16 million dollars coming off the bench. That would be an issue cause you still would need to address backup pg and starting SF with no cap space. And thybulle has yet to prove he’s a consistent shooter to just throw him into a starting lineup consistently. You are basically back to 5 on 4 offense most nights but with two prolific scorers, Harris and Seth/maxey.  I’m not sure you start Seth and beal because your defensive backcourt is a mess. You’d have to move Seth to the bench and start maxey. 

Bertans the bizarro Simmons.  He does nothing but shoot.  So instead of playing 4 vs 5 on offense, you're playing 4 vs 5 on defense.  With him on the floor you'd absolutely need a strong wing defender and strong G defenders because he'll need a lot of help.  Wizards soured on him pretty quick after signing him to that contract.  Harris made him his beetch when he was on the floor.  Also he's only about a 30% 3pt shooter in the playoffs.

I'm done.  I can't talk Bertans anymore.  I hate him like CVON hates Trump.

3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

no team really crushes the nba draft consistently but the suns were able to draft 3 players who fit together extremely well in booker/ayton/bridges.  while the sixers kept drafting guys who can't shoot. 

Oh i don’t disagree. The Suns however for an entire decade we’re pretty dreadful outside of Booker. They are lucky James jones took over and made the moves he did starting in 2017. Their 2018 draft turned that franchise around into the right direction. Then you have his move for Chris Paul. Rubio was an ok move last year. They needed a true point guard. He was better than anything they’ve had since Nash but Paul really took them to another level. 

The sixers had multiple picks that just didn’t do anything or really get anything when they dealt them away. Fultz and okafor. And then dealing away bridges for zhaire and the unprotected Miami pick. Even if you don’t take bridges they could’ve had porter jr which still would be a nice addition to this roster. They literally got nothing out of zhaire, okafor and fultz in terms of value in court or in trades. 

21 minutes ago, rambo said:

Bertans the bizarro Simmons.  He does nothing but shoot.  So instead of playing 4 vs 5 on offense, you're playing 4 vs 5 on defense.  With him on the floor you'd absolutely need a strong wing defender and strong G defenders because he'll need a lot of help.  Wizards soured on him pretty quick after signing him to that contract.  Harris made him his beetch when he was on the floor.  Also he's only about a 30% 3pt shooter in the playoffs.

I'm done.  I can't talk Bertans anymore.  I hate him like CVON hates Trump.

Just point out Harris in his Sixers tenure is about 33% three point shooter in the playoffs. And his last 4 playoff series 29.7%. 

i agree you’d need a strong wing defender. However i need one that can also shoot. I can’t have thybulle out there inconsistent shooting. I still don’t see the sixers taking on a $16 million dollar bench piece while having 3 max players on the roster  

even if they didn’t get bertans I much rather trade Harris get myself a 3 and d wing and potentially two bench pieces then the 35.9 mil I’m paying Harris to disappear when the sixers opponents get better. in series where the sixers have been eliminated (Toronto, Boston and atlanta) Harris is averaging 16.5 points  on 42% shooting (117-278) and 25% from three (20-80). No offense he’s been mediocre and even bad in series the sixers have lost. Ben has been bad in games. you can blame Ben but Ben didn’t have Harris miss like 4 layups in crunch time of games when he’s open. That’s Harris cause he’s nowhere close to that contract and he constantly disappears as opponents get better and figure him out. Until that changes it’s a fact that against better opponents Harris vanishes or comes up small as the series continue on 

14 minutes ago, rambo said:

Bertans the bizarro Simmons.  He does nothing but shoot.  So instead of playing 4 vs 5 on offense, you're playing 4 vs 5 on defense.  With him on the floor you'd absolutely need a strong wing defender and strong G defenders because he'll need a lot of help.  Wizards soured on him pretty quick after signing him to that contract.  Harris made him his beetch when he was on the floor.  Also he's only about a 30% 3pt shooter in the playoffs.

I'm done.  I can't talk Bertans anymore.  I hate him like CVON hates Trump.

Watching more Green highlights and if he is there at #3 then I do what I can do get him. He played grown men last year so that definitely helps advance his game. 

We are seeing shot creators are a must and Sixers have a half in one in Curry

9 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

 

2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Watching more Green highlights and if he is there at #3 then I do what I can do get him. He played grown men last year so that definitely helps advance his game. 

We are seeing shot creators are a must and Sixers have a half in one in Curry

Still think that Cleveland trade is the best package from everything that’s been put out there for Ben. I’d be pretty happy with garland and 3 overall. gives you a ton of options and more assets then we have currently to make a deal 

Hearing Stephen A yell today about the sixers trade Simmons for Wiggins like Wiggins is an upgrade is amazing. I was not thrilled with it when the Minnesota pick had good value but that plummeted when it wound up converting to 7 this year. That’s a worse trade now. He and Wilbon pushing for a Simmons to warriors deal. It’s all but dead now with that pick conveying so poorly 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Still think that Cleveland trade is the best package from everything that’s been put out there for Ben. I’d be pretty happy with garland and 3 overall. gives you a ton of options and more assets then we have currently to make a deal 

Hearing Stephen A yell today about the sixers trade Simmons for Wiggins like Wiggins is an upgrade is amazing. I was not thrilled with it when the Minnesota pick had good value but that plummeted when it wound up converting to 7 this year. That’s a worse trade now. He and Wilbon pushing for a Simmons to warriors deal. It’s all but dead now with that pick conveying so poorly 

wouldn't love have to be in there as well to match salaries?  

12 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

wouldn't love have to be in there as well to match salaries?  

Love, Garland and Pick 3 for Simmons and Hill works.

16 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

wouldn't love have to be in there as well to match salaries?  

Yeah he would. But love could be used as an expiring contract a year later and you hope he can give you anything now. Maybe he pulls a Blake Griffin leaving Cleveland but he’s also been way injury prone since signing that deal. 

19 minutes ago, rambo said:

Love, Garland and Pick 3 for Simmons and Hill works.

 

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah he would. But love could be used as an expiring contract a year later and you hope he can give you anything now. Maybe he pulls a Blake Griffin leaving Cleveland but he’s also been way injury prone since signing that deal. 

 

yeah, i'm not opposed to love being included in the deal. he could be useful. 

if i'm cleveland, i'd want maxey included in that deal if i'm giving up both sexton garland & #3. 

 

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

 

 

yeah, i'm not opposed to love being included in the deal. he could be useful. 

if i'm cleveland, i'd want maxey included in that deal if i'm giving up both sexton & #3. 

We don't want Sexton, want Garland 

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

 

 

yeah, i'm not opposed to love being included in the deal. he could be useful. 

if i'm cleveland, i'd want maxey included in that deal if i'm giving up both sexton & #3. 

I was looking garland just because Sexton is a me first chucker.  Thought Garland might be a better fit.  Throw a swap of 1sts.

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

 

We don't want Sexton, want Garland 

 my bad. i forgot which one we were talking about. anyway, my point remains. i think cleveland would want someone useful besides simmons if they're giving up both garland and #3

4 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

 

 

yeah, i'm not opposed to love being included in the deal. he could be useful. 

if i'm cleveland, i'd want maxey included in that deal if i'm giving up both sexton garland & #3. 

Idk if i give up maxey in that deal tbh. Simmons is still 24 and if they somehow unlock him that’s a hell of a haul. For all his flaws he’s still a first team all defense and the best player on that team imo. Add on garland is nice. I really love him but he’s also doing it in Cleveland with no pressure to win and good stats on bad team can be used in negotiations.  I think you likely include someone like shake in that deal and probably pick 28. 

there's a similar discussion on realgm where folks are saying there were reports that cleveland might be willing to move sexton...so there are a bunch of moving parts to this one. 

LaVine, Dame, Beal, Green, DeRozen, Suggs would be my order, I think 

Just now, mr_hunt said:

there's a similar discussion on realgm where folks are saying there were reports that cleveland might be willing to move sexton...so there are a bunch of moving parts to this one. 

This would give me huge concern. Does he know how to win or want to win vs getting his buckets. It was the same concern had with Trae, but he clearly figured it out. 

Various Cavs players still grow frustrated by the way Sexton dominates the ball, and opponents taunt them by saying during games, "you know he's not going to pass you the ball."

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/cavaliers-players-get-taunted-by-opponents-who-tell-them-collin-sexton-wont-pass-the-ball-per-report/