1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

A week ago we couldn’t trade Ben for Markelle Fultz. Now we have our option between Edwards and Dame, but can’t throw Maxey in because we are giving up too much. Come on guys. 

That's not representative of my position from the start because I've said every year Ben keeps decreasing his value,  and yet,  so many people are fooled by him and we almost had Harden.

At this point I have been believing we will get a decent offer for him.  Learned from previous years. 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yeah. 

I'm banking on them wanting him "badly" and windhorst saying at least 12 teams would make offers. 

Minnesota would likely feel inclined to improve their offer. 

From Minnesota standpoint,  they'd still have Russell who they pursued for years,  KAT, and Simmons to sell a a big 3.

 

I’d still bet they’d walk away and not do the deal. I can tell you why Minnesota wants him badly cause they wanted to get Russell’s contract off their hands and Beasley is a problem off the court and want to capitalize on that value before it dwindles more if he does something more stupid. I’d bet anything Minnesota would walk away even if they wanted Simmons badly if it was required to give up edwards. Edwards might ultimately be a better player than Simmons and has a cheap contract for another 3 years. 

I’m not a big Russell fan but if that’s our best offer for Ben, I’d do it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

36 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

 

 

I’d take Brandon ingram and josh hart (cap hold) and be thrilled. Only way the pelican can make that deal is either ingram is included, ball does a sign and trade (that money would be ridiculous for ball) or it’s Adams and Bledsoe (last one makes no sense for the sixers). 

40 minutes ago, iladelphxx said:

 

 

 

 

 

Warriors only makes sense if they are also looking to deal draymond which i was told they’d like to and be ok with it. Frankly the 7th pick really doesn’t move the needle much for me. It’s not a great draft in terms of top talent in the lottery. I assume likely would be a third team involved who wants draft capital as we would want immediate help.  

can't figure out how sixers would be 3rd team in a siakam to gs deal.

6 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

can't figure out how sixers would be 3rd team in a siakam to gs deal.

Technically 

 

I was afraid it would be lowry or wiggins. both would be really out there. I guess it's an improvement. 

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d still bet they’d walk away and not do the deal. I can tell you why Minnesota wants him badly cause they wanted to get Russell’s contract off their hands and Beasley is a problem off the court and want to capitalize on that value before it dwindles more if he does something more stupid. I’d bet anything Minnesota would walk away even if they wanted Simmons badly if it was required to give up edwards. Edwards might ultimately be a better player than Simmons and has a cheap contract for another 3 years. 

I'd take Russell, Beasley and a big like Reid over Lillard then.

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I'd take Russell, Beasley and a big like Reid over Lillard then.

Eh i think Russell is completely overrated. He’s a put good stats on a bad teams and when he faces better athletes he struggles. I like Beasley but he’s also got baggage off the court. Reid is a nice backup center. I much rather have Simmons than Russell. There’s a reason it would then be the 4th team that hasn’t wanted to keep Russell. You got the snitching in La, Brooklyn wanted to upgrade cause they didn’t think he was good enough and could get Durant and kyrie, GS only wanted him back as a trade chip cause they didn’t think they could win a title with him and Minnesota was awful with him and gave up a top 10 pick for him (not worth it)

I was told by an Arizona coach when Russell came out that year that he was vastly overrated and not even the best player they faced that year. 

10 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

I was afraid it would be lowry or wiggins. both would be really out there. I guess it's an improvement. 

I imagine the sixers might use 7, 14 and Wiggins to potentially make another trade to a team that possibly rebuilding that wants a expiring contract in a year and draft capital. 

36 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Warriors only makes sense if they are also looking to deal draymond which i was told they’d like to and be ok with it. Frankly the 7th pick really doesn’t move the needle much for me. It’s not a great draft in terms of top talent in the lottery. I assume likely would be a third team involved who wants draft capital as we would want immediate help.  

This is a highly highly talented and deep draft but Simmons is worth more than that. 

30 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

This is a highly highly talented and deep draft but Simmons is worth more than that. 

Deep is different than elite talent especially in the lottery. I think the drop off from potential star type talent starts after 5. I think after Cunningham, Mobley, green, suggs and kuminga that the next four prospects of Barnes, bounight, moody and Johnson are not in the same class. They might become good players but i think the drop off clearly hits at 5 and i could argue at 4. The warriors were probably hoping for 4-5 and if that didn’t occur getting the pick next year when it was unprotected.

Barnes imo is the 6th best prospect in this class. He’s a clone of what FSU keeps sending to the league that never lives up to the hype. I think bounight is very overrated. He shot 29% from three this year and 44.7% from the field as a shooting guard. In his career he’s just 32%. I just think he’s a kid that is being overrated. Keon Johnson is a boom or bust. He shot even worse from three at 27% and his FT percentage of 70 indicates he likely is never going to be an above average 3 point shooter. That’s likely who you are choosing from at 7. Mitchell isn’t exciting at 7 for me with maxey. Not exactly thrilling imo.

i like moody but i think his upside is Mikal bridges. But i think bridges is way more polished and a better 3 point shooter. I actually like jalen Johnson’s game and potential but his timeline and the sixers timeline aren’t on the same page. It is gonna take him 2-3 years to get where you need him to be. Plus i do question his desire to be great. He could be like Tatum he has all the boxes to do it. He could also just become tj warren or justice winslow 

22 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d take Brandon ingram and josh hart (cap hold) and be thrilled. Only way the pelican can make that deal is either ingram is included, ball does a sign and trade (that money would be ridiculous for ball) or it’s Adams and Bledsoe (last one makes no sense for the sixers). 

Straight up Ben for those 2?  NO has Zion and Adams as bigs so what would they do with Ben?  They have Ball as PG, so do they look to move him and hope Ben works on his skills in the off-season and he runs the point?  Ingram plays SF, Harris is listed as PF so would they be our wing players or you still look to move Harris and bring in someone else?  And Hart is a SG (averages more rebounds than assists), which we already have loads of on the roster (Curry, Joe, Korkmaz, Milton, and Thybulle).  Maxey would be the only PG on our roster at that point.

48 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Eh i think Russell is completely overrated. He’s a put good stats on a bad teams and when he faces better athletes he struggles. I like Beasley but he’s also got baggage off the court. Reid is a nice backup center. I much rather have Simmons than Russell. There’s a reason it would then be the 4th team that hasn’t wanted to keep Russell. You got the snitching in La, Brooklyn wanted to upgrade cause they didn’t think he was good enough and could get Durant and kyrie, GS only wanted him back as a trade chip cause they didn’t think they could win a title with him and Minnesota was awful with him and gave up a top 10 pick for him (not worth it)

I was told by an Arizona coach when Russell came out that year that he was vastly overrated and not even the best player they faced that year. 

I know about Russell.  But I take that deal over just Lillard. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I know about Russell.  But I take that deal over just Lillard. 

I’m guessing in a deal with the trailblazers you probably could get Roco coming back as they’d be going into a rebuild and he wouldn’t be needed at that point. they’d probably also do a sign and trade with Powell as at this point he’d likely be leaving as well.  

27 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Deep is different than elite talent especially in the lottery. I think the drop off from potential star type talent starts after 5. I think after Cunningham, Mobley, green, suggs and kuminga that the next four prospects of Barnes, bounight, moody and Johnson are not in the same class. They might become good players but i think the drop off clearly hits at 5 and i could argue at 4. The warriors were probably hoping for 4-5 and if that didn’t occur getting the pick next year when it was unprotected.

Barnes imo is the 6th best prospect in this class. He’s a clone of what FSU keeps sending to the league that never lives up to the hype. I think bounight is very overrated. He shot 29% from three this year and 44.7% from the field as a shooting guard. In his career he’s just 32%. I just think he’s a kid that is being overrated. Keon Johnson is a boom or bust. He shot even worse from three at 27% and his FT percentage of 70 indicates he likely is never going to be an above average 3 point shooter. That’s likely who you are choosing from at 7. Mitchell isn’t exciting at 7 for me with maxey. Not exactly thrilling imo.

i like moody but i think his upside is Mikal bridges. But i think bridges is way more polished and a better 3 point shooter. I actually like jalen Johnson’s game and potential but his timeline and the sixers timeline aren’t on the same page. It is gonna take him 2-3 years to get where you need him to be. Plus i do question his desire to be great. He could be like Tatum he has all the boxes to do it. He could also just become tj warren or justice winslow 

Green and Cunningham have superstar potential, Suggs is Lowery type potential. Mobley can be an Ayton type of player if not a tad more athletic.

That right there is enough to call it a really talented draft. This isn't 2018 and we won't we another one for 10 years, but we said last year was a crap draft and all were surprised. 

Barnes is Kawhi type potential 6'9" with a 7'3" wingspan, had a vert of 39.5 inches and is a good defender already. 

Kuminga - pass

Davion Mitchell, Wagner, Mann, Murphy, Moody, Keon Johnson are all really quality basketball players who will start for their team at some point. 

Fact you like Jalen Johnson and think he has potential says something. He quit at IMG AND he quit at Duke. Dude is a quitter and wouldn't want him anywhere near my team.. 

8 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Straight up Ben for those 2?  NO has Zion and Adams as bigs so what would they do with Ben?  They have Ball as PG, so do they look to move him and hope Ben works on his skills in the off-season and he runs the point?  Ingram plays SF, Harris is listed as PF so would they be our wing players or you still look to move Harris and bring in someone else?  And Hart is a SG (averages more rebounds than assists), which we already have loads of on the roster (Curry, Joe, Korkmaz, Milton, and Thybulle).  Maxey would be the only PG on our roster at that point.

Lonzo is a FA. Been rumored he’s out and is going to NY or a bigger market. 

also josh hart would be your best bench player as he’s a solid defender and can give you scoring. Id take him over korkmaz, shake and joe. I’m not starting hart. i think he’s purely a bench guy. 

also still have the horford trade exception to get another backup PG and my MLE. Add on George hill is still here and can play point. He’s a combo guard. 

I would be glad to get the 7th pick

17 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Green and Cunningham have superstar potential, Suggs is Lowery type potential. Mobley can be an Ayton type of player if not a tad more athletic.

That right there is enough to call it a really talented draft. This isn't 2018 and we won't we another one for 10 years, but we said last year was a crap draft and all were surprised. 

Barnes is Kawhi type potential 6'9" with a 7'3" wingspan, had a vert of 39.5 inches and is a good defender already. 

Kuminga - pass

Davion Mitchell, Wagner, Mann, Murphy, Moody, Keon Johnson are all really quality basketball players who will start for their team at some point. 

Fact you like Jalen Johnson and think he has potential says something. He quit at IMG AND he quit at Duke. Dude is a quitter and wouldn't want him anywhere near my team.. 

I said i like his game and talent. I said i question his desire to be great. His talent is obviously there. He’s one of the most talented players coming into college basketball last year. He quit it’s why i stated i questioned his desire. But clearly you didn’t read that part or just ignored that i said he has the potential (talent) to be Tatum or just be justice winslow who had all the potential but never put it together (immaturity— i know he rather be banging a bunch of women then working on his game. That was an issue during his recruitment to Duke and Arizona). But you skipped that i wrote i question his desire to be great. that says something as well hat he has all the talent and still might never be great....

also FSU every single year has guys with length and athleticism. Jonathan issac was that too. How’s that going even before the injury? They consistently send guys like that who never pan out to what their projections are. FSU for nearly a decade has had a player like that come out who’s athletic with size and length. That’s their recruiting style and they rarely turn out to be good pros  

furthermore it’s a talented draft in the top 5 after that it drops off dramatically imo. So you aren’t picking top five so it makes no difference cause you aren’t getting one of those guys. So yeah the lack of elite talent at 7 isn’t moving the needle. It’s top heavy in the lottery and then from 6-14 it’s a crapshoot of equal talent and weaknesses for every player. It’s why i wouldn’t want 7. 

These guys are usually so talented but those red flags are punching you in the fade and never works out. 

Oh, I agree that I wouldn't want 7 and 14, but 5 and 8 I would consider. 

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

These guys are usually so talented but those red flags are punching you in the fade and never works out. 

Oh, I agree that I wouldn't want 7 and 14, but 5 and 8 I would consider. 

i never said jalen Johnson would work out. But he is immensely talented. Talent is not the issue with him which is why i said i love his game not so much his personality. I definitely question his desire to be great. He has all the tools to be if he got his head on straight. Problem is might never get it like justice Winslow. (i have some detailed recruiting stories and Duke storie of him banging every girl imaginable and not caring to actually to make himself better.)

5 and 8 you could also potentially package to potentially move up as well if someone thinks the drop off from suggs to kuminga is equal. Frankly i don’t think the sixers would use those picks unless they had a top 3. I think it would be used in another deal with a rebuilding team t

3 hours ago, Green_Guinness said:

Straight up Ben for those 2?  NO has Zion and Adams as bigs so what would they do with Ben?  They have Ball as PG, so do they look to move him and hope Ben works on his skills in the off-season and he runs the point?  Ingram plays SF, Harris is listed as PF so would they be our wing players or you still look to move Harris and bring in someone else?  And Hart is a SG (averages more rebounds than assists), which we already have loads of on the roster (Curry, Joe, Korkmaz, Milton, and Thybulle).  Maxey would be the only PG on our roster at that point.

Ingram does a lot of the ball handling