8 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

So you are ready to put all your eggs in the rookie basket but won’t pull the trade for Dame if Maxey is included? Doesn’t make any sense. Dame guarantees we are contenders for 2-3 years. A rookie does not. I love Maxey as much as everyone else but he isn’t going to be the next Kobe Bryant. 

Youd be contenders with my hypothetical deal, as well as protect the ability to contend in the future and not be 100% Embiid dependent. 

Any team built around Embiid is destined to fail. When you sacrifice your future to do it thats even worse. Im keeping our young talent. And Im interested in young players and picks.  And for right now as long as Embiid is on the team, the depth has to be insanely good. Cause youre going to need to make up for him being injured in the post-season.

7 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

So you are ready to put all your eggs in the rookie basket but won’t pull the trade for Dame if Maxey is included? Doesn’t make any sense. Dame guarantees we are contenders for 2-3 years. A rookie does not. I love Maxey as much as everyone else but he isn’t going to be the next Kobe Bryant. 

I find it funnier people were ok giving up Simmons, maxey and potentially thybulle for James harden but aren’t for Lillard. Imo harden likely sees a decline sooner than lillard simply cause he does a bad job taking care of his body in the offseason. 

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Youd be contenders with my hypothetical deal, as well as protect the ability to contend in the future and not be 100% Embiid dependent. 

Any team built around Embiid is destined to fail. When you sacrifice your future to do it thats even worse. Im keeping our young talent. And Im interested in young players and picks.  And for right now as long as Embiid is on the team, the depth has to be insanely good. Cause youre going to need to make up for him being injured in the post-season.

No offense i rather just completely rebuild like the process after 3-4 years of trying with lillard and embiid. Then keep young players who likely make you a fringe playoff team after embiid is gone and stuck in purgatory. Hence the reason for the original process. They had Jrue and iggy and knew they weren’t good enough to ever come close to winning anything meaningful  

And the theory with pick 3 the sixers are destined for a Star is untrue. The sixers have had 4 picks in the top 3 since the process started. They got embiid, Simmons, fultz and okafor. So batting 1 of 4 in the superstar and if we dont consider simmons a Star. And there’s a chance green is off the board at 2 to Houston. No given Mobley or suggs become a Star. 

HE, you know as well as anybody, you need two stars to be serious contenders. Embiid, Dame, Seth, Thybulle, Harris is a damn good foundation. Hopefully you can keep Shake also to come off the bench but if has to go to, oh well. 

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No offense i rather just completely rebuild like the process after 3-4 years of trying with lillard and embiid. Then keep young players who likely make you a fringe playoff team after embiid is gone and stuck in purgatory. Hence the reason for the original process. They had Jrue and iggy and knew they weren’t good enough to ever come close to winning anything meaningful  

And the theory with pick 3 the sixers are destined for a Star is untrue. The sixers have had 4 picks in the top 3 since the process started. They got embiid, Simmons, fultz and okafor. So batting 1 of 4 in the superstar and if we dont consider simmons a Star. And there’s a chance green is off the board at 2 to Houston. No given Mobley or suggs become a Star. 

You really think that ever has a chance of happening again? Especially here? I dont think so.

I love this world where people think Doc is going to actually play Maxey real minutes next year. It's Doc Rivers, FFS.

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

 

thats a big no. Id be ok with Russell here but there has to be more. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

You really think that ever has a chance of happening again? Especially here?

I don’t think it’s out of the question. You might just suck when embiid and lillard are done in 3-4 years. NBA can’t prevent that inevitability of embiid and lillard being done around the same time and going to be bad at that point. 

3 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

HE, you know as well as anybody, you need two stars to be serious contenders. Embiid, Dame, Seth, Thybulle, Harris is a damn good foundation. Hopefully you can keep Shake also to come off the bench but if has to go to, oh well. 

We are always going to be down to 1 star in the post-season until the Embiid era is over. Protect the assets for the future when you need to replace his star. and hopefully theyre not super-maxing him. So that future will be here sooner than later if Morey does the right thing.

3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

 

I can’t see morey doing it. However you think fans are irritated with Simmons. Won’t take long when russell is taking bad shots, turning it over and plays no defense 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

We are always going to be down to 1 star in the post-season until the Embiid era is over. Protect the assets for the future when you need to replace his star. and hopefully theyre not super-maxing him. So that future will be here sooner than later if Morey does the right thing.

You can plan for 3-4 years from now. I’m trying to win a title now. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think it’s out of the question. You might just suck when embiid and lillard are done in 3-4 years. NBA can’t prevent that inevitability of embiid and lillard being done around the same time and going to be bad at that point. 

yeah. But the lottery is more stacked against the worst team. So the incentive to be so bad isnt as great. And theyre on to us so you really cant keep repeating it purposely. We already learned through this that no free agent is ever going to sign here even when you finally land stars through the draft....

No GM really has the fortitude to see it through other than the one we had, and will never have again.

And our owners didnt have the fortitude to see it through. Nor did the NBA really allow them to. 

It wont happen again. 

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

You can plan for 3-4 years from now. I’m trying to win a title now. 

Youre not going to. 

17 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah. But the lottery is more stacked against the worst team. So the incentive to be so bad isnt as great. And theyre on to us so you really cant keep repeating it purposely. We already learned through this that no free agent is ever going to sign here even when you finally land stars through the draft....

No GM really has the fortitude to see it through other than the one we had, and will never have again.

And our owners didnt have the fortitude to see it through. Nor did the NBA really allow them to. 

It wont happen again. 

Youre not going to. 

Certainly not with your GM’ing we aren’t. 

23 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah. But the lottery is more stacked against the worst team. So the incentive to be so bad isnt as great. And theyre on to us so you really cant keep repeating it purposely. We already learned through this that no free agent is ever going to sign here even when you finally land stars through the draft....

No GM really has the fortitude to see it through other than the one we had, and will never have again.

And our owners didnt have the fortitude to see it through. Nor did the NBA really allow them to. 

It wont happen again. 

Again your theory we are promised a Star at 3 is faulty. Like go back to 2010. Here are all the no. 3 picks. It’s about 50-50 you don’t get a star. So your assumption they just get one this year with that pick is ignoring the odds are not in your favor and you are content with backups. Furthermore if you make that trade embiid likely is going to get irritated and likely demand a trade cause it’s not helping him win next year and wasting a prime year. At that point if he wants out why do you need the bench players because you rather just be bad to get another star if you hit on 3?

2010– favors

2011- enes kanter

2012- Bradley beal

2013- Otto porter jr

2014- embiid (only cause of injury otherwise he goes 1 and you get Wiggins)

2015- okafor 

2016- jaylen brown 

2017– Tatum

2018- luka

2019- Barrett

2020- lamelo ball

With your trade might as well just trade embiid and Simmons completely start over with picks trying to find stars. you are basically wasting embiid’s prime with hoping a rookie develops into a Star and can do it within a year or two. The odds Hes luka or Tatum year one and 2 arent in your favor. It’s basically 50-50 he becomes a star and even more unlikely delivers in the postseason as a rookie like luka did. 
 

5 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Certainly not with your GM’ing we aren’t. 

Just remember who has been right years ahead of anyone else catching on. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Just remember who has been right years ahead of anyone else catching on. 

Yes you were the only person who could tell Ben was a bust. You should have been in my living room watching the games the last 4 years. 

Just now, Khani1 said:

Yes you were the only person who could tell Ben was a bust. You should have been in my living room watching the games the last 4 years. 

I know.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I know.

I meant that as I knew what we was too. His worth ethic was a joke. Honestly, a lot of us saw it. 

18 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I love this world where people think Doc is going to actually play Maxey real minutes next year. It's Doc Rivers, FFS.

TBF Doc hates playing rookies and Maxey isn't a rookie anymore.  Those who advocate trading Ben for picks they intend on using to play with Embiid is an interesting take though.

12 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

I meant that as I knew what we was too. His worth ethic was a joke. Honestly, a lot of us saw it. 

you were with me for along time. Not many were. Finally this whole thread is ready to move on. Amazingly you go to other 6ers communities he still has so many fooled. 

You can take credit for behing ahead of the curve with me on Simmons. You have some catching up to do on Embiid. 

7 minutes ago, rambo said:

TBF Doc hates playing rookies and Maxey isn't a rookie anymore.  Those who advocate trading Ben for picks they intend on using to play with Embiid is an interesting take though.

Doc can not play our #3 overall pick and get himself fired. Thats another step forward for the team. 

I think most people were ok dealing Simmons depending on the package. The issue has been people on here just wanted to trade him to just trade him and get pieces back that didn’t make them title contenders. Or fractionally better. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think most people were ok dealing Simmons depending on the package. The issue has been people on here just wanted to trade him to just trade him and get pieces back that didn’t make them title contenders. Or fractionally better. 

I would argue that just trading him for even a league average starting PG makes the team better. 
 

Not that he’s average but this team would look so much different/better if they had been able to trade for Jrue Holiday a couple years ago. Having him in there instead of Simmons, and the Sixers would be in the ECF right now IMO. 

13 minutes ago, nipples said:

I would argue that just trading him for even a league average starting PG makes the team better. 
 

Not that he’s average but this team would look so much different/better if they had been able to trade for Jrue Holiday a couple years ago. Having him in there instead of Simmons, and the Sixers would be in the ECF right now IMO. 

Don’t get me wrong offensively you’d be better off with him running the show. But jrue isn’t exactly lighting the world on fire with the bucks as the 3rd option in that trio. He has 16.3 ppg but shooting 42% and 28.8% from three. He’s been inefficient and inconsistent in a lot of these games. His Portland series really skews his playoff numbers. I went into this a couple weeks back. That series is an outlier in his playoff career in terms of ppg and consistency in scoring. Now embiid is likely way better off as jrue at least gives you a threat and can hit free throws down the stretch  

My point is we are ok trading simmons for jrue but we aren’t ok dealing maxey and Simmons for lillard who’s a superstar that maximizes embiid’s prime and likely makes them top 3 title contenders? That makes no sense. 

Trading him and getting something in return would be an improvement over just releasing him, like the Eagles would do, but we need more than just getting rid of him, we need another star with a pissy attitude who gets more determined to win in crunch time, and inspires the rest of the team to do the same.  Embiid gives us MVP talent, but he doesn’t give us that mental toughness.