27 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So is it really time for the Sixers to think about trading Simmons? He's such a talent though...

He seems like a lazy talent to me.  Talent only takes you so far and at some point you have to put in the work and extra effort to make yourself great.  Ben doesn't seem like that kind of person.  Yeah, he's still young and still has time to get there, but something tells me that he won't.  His father groomed him to be a PG, sort of in the Magic Johnson mold of a tall PG with wicked passing ability.  But if you're going to be on the perimeter then you have to have an outside shot and Ben doesn't have one nor has he put in the time and work to develop one decent enough that defenders have to at least respect it.  And he also sucks on the FT line.  He's a very good defender with a combo of both length and quickness, but until he develops an outside shot then he's more vanilla on O than dynamic.

 

They’re not trading either of those two before we see them with a new coach

4 hours ago, Right4thePicking said:

Our best option is a deal from NY. Rj Barrett and the 8th pick Kira Lewis+ salary filler for Ben Simmons.

Barf 

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The Philadelphia 76ers were ready to offer Jimmy Butler a max contract last summer if he agreed to not meet with any other teams, league sources told Chris Haynes of Yahoo! Sports.

Butler, who was reportedly "lukewarm" on re-signing with the Sixers, did not agree to the stipulation before signing with the Heat.

Butler rubbed Sixers teammates and Brett Brown the wrong way with his outspoken leadership style during his time in Philadelphia.

Butler once sent Ben Simmons playing instructions before a Nets game on a team group chat, which Simmons took issue with.

Brown is expected to part ways with the Sixers "in the coming days," according to Yahoo! Sports.

 

Well Embiid was obviously a big Butler guy. Sounds to me like Jimmy’s big issues were with Brown and Simmons... how much better shape would this team be in if they had Jimmy instead of Ben, and a different coach?

19 minutes ago, nipples said:

Well Embiid was obviously a big Butler guy. Sounds to me like Jimmy’s big issues were with Brown and Simmons... how much better shape would this team be in if they had Jimmy instead of Ben, and a different coach?

Sooooooo much better. Embiid needs an alpha on the team to push him as bad as it sounds. 

I think a few good seasoned vets that have had success would be good for him. Wes Matthews has a players option next year and probably looking for a longer deal.

Dudes like that are vital to the team and they have none. Al, Mike Scott, Harris should not be the veteran leadership 

24 minutes ago, nipples said:

Well Embiid was obviously a big Butler guy. Sounds to me like Jimmy’s big issues were with Brown and Simmons... how much better shape would this team be in if they had Jimmy instead of Ben, and a different coach?

Butler instead of Harris

Kemba Walker instead of Richardson

A Coach with stones instead of BB

A real GM

Tatum instead of Fultz

Ben at the 4

 

 

Joel is as big of a problem is Ben.  Anyone who can't see that is just blind with their hate for Ben.  I have been saying for 3 years now, that Joel is lazy and immature.  Now, that's the majority opinion.  Ben is not a Guard....Period....End of story.  Little bish has had years to grow a pair and learn to shoot a jumper.  Still won't do it.  So put him in the slasher role and get some real guards.  That way, when Joel gasses out....You can send Ben to the post.  Trading away Ben to hopefully build around Joel Embiid is an unbelievable stupid idea.  If you're going to trade Ben, then you trade them both.  Blow the thing up completely.  Joel Embiid will not be able to carry this team to a championship.  Star guards and swing guys win championships.  Not fragile immature centers.  Especially ones who aren't dedicated enough to get in shape.  

 

 

As far as Butler is concerned.  You honestly think Butler and Embiid would have gotten a long, long-term?  Oh hellllllllll no.  Jimmy would grow tired of Embiid's act and him not being in shape.  That relationship would have soured big time.  You can't have two Alpha's, especially when Jimmy Butler is one of them and the other is a not dedicated.  

37 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

 

Man.  I loved that guy.  

a lot of talk about how the weasels in the front office are leaking stories to the press that put the blame on brett.  this entire organization is a 🤡 show.

i hate this ownership. 

52 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

 

Lmao yup sixers pushing it all on brown and a little more shocking Simmons. I’ll tell you it’s BS they would’ve offered him a 5year max if he didn’t talk to other teams. They didn’t want to give him that 5th year and that’s a god awful excuse. Goes back to what i said one of the coaches at Arizona who is connected to a coach on the sixers was told the sixers never offered butler the Max and had no intention of doing so. This kind of proved they never even offered him it. So the report from woj last offseason saying they did was BS. This ownership and organization is a bunch of morons running a clown show. 

2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i hate this ownership. 

Also this is from shams on the athletic (even the coaches aren’t great beside wright who’s not leaving nova)

Philadelphia 76ers

Following their series sweep loss to the Celtics, the 76ers are expected to part ways with coach Brett Brown, multiple sources with knowledge of the situation say. It’s only a matter of when.

The franchise will have decisions to make throughout the entire organization this offseason. Keep in mind, however, that the team exercised a 2020-21 season contract option on GM Elton Brand just a few months ago and sources say he has maintained a healthy relationship with ownership.

Around the league, Brand remains a well respected executive. He pulled off two blockbuster trades — for Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris — during the 2018-19 season.

It is believed that the franchise remains committed to building around All-Stars Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons, with the likely onus on figuring out the proper dynamics — on and off the floor — in the hands of the next coach.

Keep an eye on the following potential coaching candidates, according to sources: 76ers assistant Ime Udoka, Clippers assistant Ty Lue, Villanova’s Jay Wright, and former Grizzlies and Kings coach Dave Joerger.

Other than Wright, none of those names do anything for me. I think it's unlikely that Wright will leave Nova. The players on this sad squad need a swift kick in the arse from a coach like Thibodeau

12 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Other than Wright, none of those names do anything for me. I think it's unlikely that Wright will leave Nova. The players on this sad squad need a swift kick in the arse from a coach like Thibodeau

Ya if I’m wright I’m looking at this roster say no thanks. Then add on i see ownership throwing everyone else under the bus to save face. That’s a double no thanks. Wright isn’t dumb and I’m guessing has good knowledge of what actually went on as he has guys he trusts. That’s a pipe dream that’s never going to happen. 

lue imo was a product of Lebron. Heck David blatt also got to an nba finals with Lebron and people thought blatt couldn’t coach in the nba yet he won 2 games in the finals against the warriors down kyrie and love. 

I'm a Nova alum so obviously I love Jay and would be happy if he came to coach the 6ers but I can't see how working for this FO would be a temptation for him.  If they cleaned house and replaced the front office with someone that garners respect in basketball circles, maybe but I'm not convinced we can count on Harris to make that call.

Lue to me would be a nightmare.  His ties to Klutch would concern me re: the dynamic between Ben and Joel but I guess if you believe the team should move on from Joel and build around Ben, you might feel differently.  For me, getting tied to Klutch was only palatable for the pursuit of LeBron, otherwise, no thanks.  

this team has 2 perennial all stars & some nice pieces. the roster has talent. it just doesn't fit. 

i'm going to assume tobi isn't going anywhere because of his contract....but if they can somehow move horford & richardson for a backcourt that meshes better with ben & jo, i think they'll be alright....2 guys who can shoot the 3...with 1 of them being a pg who can create.  put a backcourt like that with ben, jo, & tobi. then you still have shake, mattise, etc. coming off the bench. 

10 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

this team has 2 perennial all stars & some nice pieces. the roster has talent. it just doesn't fit. 

i'm going to assume tobi isn't going anywhere because of his contract....but if they can somehow move horford & richardson for a backcourt that meshes better with ben & jo, i think they'll be alright....2 guys who can shoot the 3...with 1 of them being a pg who can create.  put a backcourt like that with ben, jo, & tobi. then you still have shake, mattise, etc. coming off the bench. 

I agree with this.  I think the confused nature of the front office is a far bigger detriment to drawing a quality coach than the roster.  And even if you think they need to break up Ben and Joel, that's not something you rush into.  You wait until an opportunity come along that makes sense.  Selling Ben for 50 cents on the dollar makes no sense.  If somehow a legit star guard/scorer comes available, like if Washington were willing to move Beal, then you make a decision like that.  Making a move and settling for whatever you can for him  or Joe now just for the sake of moving on would be a mistake.

he's not exactly a 3 point shooter but i've read some trade ideas of richardson for dinwiddie.  he's a pg who can create offense. then there are the horford for hield rumors.  something like those moves that would transform the backcourt could really help.

i see no way that wright would be a good fit here. 

2 hours ago, nipples said:

Well Embiid was obviously a big Butler guy. Sounds to me like Jimmy’s big issues were with Brown and Simmons... how much better shape would this team be in if they had Jimmy instead of Ben, and a different coach?

If they had Butler, even without Ben in this Boston series, I think theyd have advanced. 

only the 2nd time the sixers were swept in a playoff series and it was to the celtics. tough pill to swallow. 

 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Also this is from shams on the athletic (even the coaches aren’t great beside wright who’s not leaving nova)

Philadelphia 76ers

Following their series sweep loss to the Celtics, the 76ers are expected to part ways with coach Brett Brown, multiple sources with knowledge of the situation say. It’s only a matter of when.

The franchise will have decisions to make throughout the entire organization this offseason. Keep in mind, however, that the team exercised a 2020-21 season contract option on GM Elton Brand just a few months ago and sources say he has maintained a healthy relationship with ownership.

Around the league, Brand remains a well respected executive. He pulled off two blockbuster trades — for Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris — during the 2018-19 season.

It is believed that the franchise remains committed to building around All-Stars Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons, with the likely onus on figuring out the proper dynamics — on and off the floor — in the hands of the next coach.

Keep an eye on the following potential coaching candidates, according to sources: 76ers assistant Ime Udoka, Clippers assistant Ty Lue, Villanova’s Jay Wright, and former Grizzlies and Kings coach Dave Joerger.

He pulled off two trades that absolutely sucked and get credit for it. He is also the guy who f'ed the offseason this year.

The owner is the dope who hired him...of course he will be dumb enough to stick with him. For being a smart businessman he is an idiot. Next they will hire a coach, then fire Brand in a few years, then need to do this all again because the new GM doesn't like the coach.

43 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

this team has 2 perennial all stars & some nice pieces. the roster has talent. it just doesn't fit. 

i'm going to assume tobi isn't going anywhere because of his contract....but if they can somehow move horford & richardson for a backcourt that meshes better with ben & jo, i think they'll be alright....2 guys who can shoot the 3...with 1 of them being a pg who can create.  put a backcourt like that with ben, jo, & tobi. then you still have shake, mattise, etc. coming off the bench. 

Proably gotta go for like Chris Paul and Diallo or Ferguson. Paul will obviously be able to run the offense, and shoot. The other guy wont be anything special unfortunately... but Diallo is still very young and super athletic, while Ferguson is also very athletic and can shoot.

Might be our best option for a bad salary swap deal.