6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

 

But if you do that, right now, you are going to have nothing else left. Nothing!

In the actual process we had a stockpile where you could make these moves when the opportunity presented itself, but the other buzzword was optionality.

NOW, we have no picks left from other teams. We are talking about trading our own future picks. We have no cap space left. We are above the tax just hoping to stay below the apron. At that point we even become limited on the moves we are allowed to make that other over the cap teams can make. 

We have no stockpile of assets, or cap space. We are already in the hole. 

It is not really the right time to make that kind of move. We arent in the process part of the process. We were supposed to be in to the title winning part. Came up short. The cast around our superstar wasnt good enough, and he isnt healthy enough to matter either.

You’re gonna have to start over someday anyways. I much rather have two generational talents for 3 to 4 years going for a title the potentially never having to generational and not coming close to a championship.

You’re just assuming because you’ve got the number three pick you’re going to get a superstar. You might get the number three pick and not get a superstar and waste embiid’s career and be left with nothing anyway. Your assumption is they’re just going to automatically hit on that pick. When evidences and facts show that’s not necessarily true. 

And your last paragraph makes no sense the perfect time to do it is now because you have a 3 to 4 your window with Embiid. The only person that doesn’t think that on this entire board is you and diehard.  literally everyone else around the NBA would trade assets to go after embiid if they had a superstar to pair them up and go all out for a title. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

 We have to accumulate talent, and picks. And we have to use those things to bring the talent via trades. 

no, no....trade that talent for even more picks. then even more picks after that. 

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

You also are forgetting something though. In those years we also had Embiid and Simmons, and no one ever came here. Stars didnt bring depth to Philly. It doesnt work that way for us. 

We have to work the opposite way. We have to accumulate talent, and picks. And we have to use those things to bring the talent via trades. 

Because you only had 1 star, and an albatross around his neck.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You’re gonna have to start over someday anyways. I much rather have two generational talents for 3 to 4 years going for a title the potentially never having to generational and not coming close to a championship.

You’re just assuming because you’ve got the number three pick you’re going to get a superstar. You might get the number three pick and not get a superstar and waste embiid’s career and be left with nothing anyway. Your assumption is they’re just going to automatically hit on that pick. When evidences and facts show that’s not necessarily true. 

And your last paragraph makes no sense the perfect time to do it is now because you have a 3 to 4 your window with Embiid. The only person that doesn’t think that on this entire board is you and diehard.  literally everyone else around the NBA would trade assets to go after embiid if they had a superstar to pair them up and go all out for a title. 

 

Im not even talking about the #3 pick. That was a trade I posted days ago that some guys are stuck on for some reason.

It doesnt have to be a draft pick. Im ok with Sexton. Im ok with Anthony Edwards from Minnesota if that is a possibility. I want the picks, or young players. Or both. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You’re gonna have to start over someday anyways. I much rather have two generational talents for 3 to 4 years going for a title the potentially never having to generational and not coming close to a championship.

You’re just assuming because you’ve got the number three pick you’re going to get a superstar. You might get the number three pick and not get a superstar and waste embiid’s career and be left with nothing anyway. Your assumption is they’re just going to automatically hit on that pick. When evidences and facts show that’s not necessarily true. 

And your last paragraph makes no sense the perfect time to do it is now because you have a 3 to 4 your window with Embiid. The only person that doesn’t think that on this entire board is you and diehard.  literally everyone else around the NBA would trade assets to go after embiid if they had a superstar to pair them up and go all out for a title. 

 

thats the big elephant in the room. 

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Because you only had 1 star, and an albatross around his neck.

Revisionist history.

at this point thats clear Simmons is an albatross. 2, 3 years ago Simmons was easily considered by many to be another star. Even in the last all-star game Both guys picking the teams wanted him. You heard Redick and TJ rave about his brilliance as well. Players are still fooled. It wasnt that they viewed Embiid as the only star here. It was the city. 

9 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

no, no....trade that talent for even more picks. then even more picks after that. 

thats what the process was. Also, who is considering Ben "the talent" at this point? Clearly not a talent thats part of our future. They should have traded him years ago, like back when I said to. They would have done a lot better. The offers would have been 3x better than anything we will get now. Embiid really would have been surrounded by a great situation then. But guys slow on the uptake like you wouldnt have ever been happy with that return back then because of your warped perception of "equal value". 

9 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

no, no....trade that talent for even more picks. then even more picks after that. 

Embiid to OKC for Kemba and their 249 first round picks.

2 minutes ago, rambo said:

Embiid to OKC for Kemba and their 249 first round picks.

not enough picks. we would only hit on about 24.9 of them. Need more superstars than that to win in todays game.

4 minutes ago, rambo said:

Embiid to OKC for Kemba and their 249 first round picks.

when the sixers finally own all the picks in a draft, will they still hold a draft lottery?  

Just now, mr_hunt said:

when the sixers finally own all the picks in a draft, will they still hold a draft lottery?  

Silver would probably cancel the draft and let all of those players be free agents. Then none would choose philly

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im not even talking about the #3 pick. That was a trade I posted days ago that some guys are stuck on for some reason.

It doesnt have to be a draft pick. Im ok with Sexton. Im ok with Anthony Edwards from Minnesota if that is a possibility. I want the picks, or young players. Or both. 

thats the big elephant in the room. 

Lol Minnesota isn’t giving you edwards. He’s basically untouchable. He’s young and cheap and offensively light years better than Simmons. They are giving you russell who’s overrated/bad contract and Beasley. He usually would be fine if he wasn’t a complete dope so there’s risk there as well.  And I’m just gonna point out that team is not beating the Nets, warriors, Lakers, suns, clippers next year as currently constructive. that team is not good enough. That’s not a super team comment, that is a reality of who you’re going to wind up playing and losing too.

you think way too highly of sexton. I question with green probably being off the board and Mobley who’s been compared to Chris bosh why they wouldn’t build around garland, sexton and Mobley instead of taking suggs who you hope becomes as good as sexton. Based off the national reporters I’ve heard talk like O’Connor,  Keith smith and blomain they’ve had a bunch of info from various sources tell them teammates dislike sexton and he’s a stats padder on a bad team.

not an elephant in the room. the only one giving up on embiid after one year of morey being here when he was rushed in a shortened offseason during a pandemic   

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lol Minnesota isn’t giving you edwards. He’s basically untouchable. He’s young and cheap and offensively light years better than Simmons. They are giving you russell who’s overrated/bad contract and Beasley. He usually would be fine if he wasn’t a complete dope so there’s risk there as well.  And I’m just gonna point out that team is not beating the Nets, warriors, Lakers, suns, clippers next year as currently constructive. that team is not good enough. That’s not a super team comment, that is a reality of who you’re going to wind up playing and losing too.

you think way too highly of sexton. I question with green probably being off the board and Mobley who’s been compared to Chris bosh why they wouldn’t build around garland, sexton and Mobley instead of taking suggs who you hope becomes as good as sexton. Based off the national reporters I’ve heard talk like O’Connor,  Keith smith and blomain they’ve had a bunch of info from various sources tell them teammates dislike sexton and he’s a stats padder on a bad team.

not an elephant in the room. the only one giving up on embiid after one year of morey being here when he was rushed in a shortened offseason during a pandemic   

 

I dont even care if its not those 2 specific guys. Theyre examples. Find other guys like them. Thats what we need. 

Embiid is an elephant in the room. Again, thats where we disagree.

2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

I don't see Morey doing a deal just to do a deal. He's going to wait and try for Dame. They will spend all offseason talking up how hard Ben is working, how much he is progressing, etc. But Morey won't trade Simmons for a package built around Sexton or Brogdon, IMO. He will wait for a true star, even if that means holding Ben until next season's deadline. 

yes and no. There is a Wentz-like feeling to this whole thing, where it doesn't really feel like he can return. Just having Embiid have to go through the media circus about how he really feels about playing with Ben still if he were still to be here, and the fake optimism he's going to have to put out, the home crowd reaction on opening night, and anytime he misses one or two FTs, there's just a lot of possible distractions here at this point with Ben coming back, and everyone needing to act like that's great and part of the plan and what they really want seems like would be asking a lot, IMO.

Everyone knows this thing hit a wall vs the Hawks and one guy is to blame. Despite Embiids late game failed heroics and Docs shortcomings and horrific decisions. Sure, hold out for the best possible deal, but at the end of the day a deal is going to be made. Because 1. there will be a fair deal out there and 2. the writing is on the wall, and Morey knows it. He'll do what's best for the team which is moving Ben for fair value, much like how Howie moved Wentz for fair value, all things considered. 

https://twitter.com/MLG_Mahal/status/1410991604522000390?s=19

 

2 minutes ago, JBENT87 said:

yes and no. There is a Wentz-like feeling to this whole thing, where it doesn't really feel like he can return. Just having Embiid have to go through the media circus about how he really feels about playing with Ben still when he's still here, and the fake optimism he's going to put out, the home fan reaction on opening night, and anytime he misses a FT or both, there's just a lot of possible distractions here at this point with Ben coming back, and everyone needing to act like that's great and part of the plan and what they really want seems like will be asking a lot, IMO.

Everyone knows this thing hit a wall vs the Hawks and one guy is to blame. Despite Embiids late game failed heroics and Docs shortcomings and horrific decisions. Sure, hold out for the best possible deal, but at the end of the day a deal is going to be made. Because 1. there will be a fair deal out there and 2. the writing is on the wall, and Morey knows it. He'll do what's best for the team which is moving Ben for fair value, much like how Howie moved Wentz for fair value, all things considered. 

I agree there is no way they will plan to allow that to happen.

In typical 6ers fashion they may end up overplaying their hand and then try to spin it when he is actually on the opening day roster. 

But theres no way he is there just because they are being smart about things. If he is there, its only because theyve failed. Again. At that point Morey gets a major strike on his resume here. Not job in jeopardy yet, but itd be a major mark against him to keep in mind.

13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont even care if its not those 2 specific guys. Theyre examples. Find other guys like them. Thats what we need. 

Embiid is an elephant in the room. Again, thats where we disagree.

You aren’t winning a title with sexton, brogdon, Beasley or those type of guys as your second best players. So you can get those players but good luck and i guess you are happy being stuck in purgatory. 

And if you don’t want to move forward with embiid none of those guys fit your timeline anyway. Sexton needs a contract extension next offseason so you are paying him a ridiculous amount while not competing. Added potential bonus might just leave anyway cause he’s tired of being in a rebuild. Brogdon and Beasley simply don’t fit in a rebuild since you are ready to be done with embiid. 

the difference is I realize in a short and pandemic off-season morey was able to take a team that was swept in the first round of the bubble to a number one seed with minimal moves. So I’m willing to give Morey who’s actually good at his job the benefit of the doubt when building around Embiid that with a more normal off-season he’s able to construct a roster he likes much better and better suited to win. Meanwhile you are willing to just give up on embiid after this postseason cause he is injury prone but still managed to give you 30-10 even on a bad knee. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You aren’t winning a title with sexton, brogdon, Beasley or those type of guys as your second best players. So you can get Jose players but good luck and i guess you are happy being stuck in purgatory. 

And if you don’t want to move forward with embiid none of those guys fit your timeline anyway. Sexton needs a contract extension next offseason so you are paying him a ridiculous amount while not competing. Added potential bonus might just leave anyway cause he’s tired of being in a rebuild. Brogdon and Beasley simply don’t fit in a rebuild since you are ready to be done with embiid. 

the difference is I realize in a short and pandemic off-season morey was able to take a team that was swept in the first round of the bubble to a number one seed with minimal moves. So I’m willing to give Morey who’s actually good at his job the benefit of the doubt when building around Embiid that with a more normal off-season he’s able to construct a roster he likes much better and better suited to win. Meanwhile you are willing to just give up on embiid after this postseason cause he is injury prone but still managed to give you 30-10 even on a bad knee. 

Sexton is not a finished product and already very, very good. He might be good enough now. He likely continues to get even better. 

And you can still add a higher level star later if the opportunity presents. Not really counting on Brogdon to be the alpha this team needs to run with Joel. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You aren’t winning a title with sexton, brogdon, Beasley or those type of guys as your second best players. So you can get Jose players but good luck and i guess you are happy being stuck in purgatory. 

And if you don’t want to move forward with embiid none of those guys fit your timeline anyway. Sexton needs a contract extension next offseason so you are paying him a ridiculous amount while not competing. Added potential bonus might just leave anyway cause he’s tired of being in a rebuild. Brogdon and Beasley simply don’t fit in a rebuild since you are ready to be done with embiid. 

the difference is I realize in a short and pandemic off-season morey was able to take a team that was swept in the first round of the bubble to a number one seed with minimal moves. So I’m willing to give Morey who’s actually good at his job the benefit of the doubt when building around Embiid that with a more normal off-season he’s able to construct a roster he likes much better and better suited to win. Meanwhile you are willing to just give up on embiid after this postseason cause he is injury prone but still managed to give you 30-10 even on a bad knee. 

Was this really a 1st round sweep team? Or was it only that because Simmons got injured and didnt play? Youre majorly embellishing how much improvement we actually saw from the team. 

I have also said Ill hold on to embiid until its time to pay him the super max, or till he asks for a trade because he knows we arent giving it to him.  That doesnt necesarily mean Im ready to move on from him right now.

But this team is not going to bottom out with guys like Simmons and Embiid to trade off for assets. Youll get excellent returns from those trades. It wont be like year 1 of the process. It would be like starting in year 3. Thats if you do it right. Id rather that instead of bottoming out and starting at year 1 of the process. 

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article252483408.html

One of the most popular hypothetical trades among fans in Sacramento would send Buddy Hield and Marvin Bagley III to Philadelphia as part of a package for Ben Simmons. The Sacramento Bee submitted this proposal to a number of NBA agents and executives to get outside perspectives on what it would take to get a deal done.

One league source felt Simmons was a "pipe dream” for Sacramento, saying the 76ers would want Hield, Bagley and a minimum of three future first-round draft picks, including the No. 9 pick in this year’s draft. The source felt there was a better chance of an alternate deal involving 76ers forward Tobias Harris, suggesting Philadelphia might prefer to move Harris to clear salary cap space.

Another source questioned why either team would make that deal, specifically saying it doesn’t do enough to address Philadelphia’s need for leadership. The source suggested the Kings could make a serious play for Simmons if they make De’Aaron Fox or Tyrese Haliburton available. Some believe the 76ers could make a move for Kyrie Irving, Bradley Beal or Damian Lillard instead.

That remains to be seen, given Simmons’ recent playoff struggles, but the idea of a trade is something Morey and McNair will probably discuss, if they haven’t already. They might find it more difficult to agree on the terms of a deal now that they’re on opposite sides of the table.

 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Was this really a 1st round sweep team? Or was it only that because Simmons got injured and didnt play? Youre majorly embellishing how much improvement we actually saw from the team. 

did you watch the Sixers in Brett brown’s last year ? They were going to get destroyed by any team in the first round of the playoffs. Maybe not swept but that team was not good even when they had Simmons. that team before the stoppage and before Simmons injury we thought they were gonna get bounced fast in the first round. They stunk all year and were barely hanging on to a 5-6 seed. 

or you’re just under selling the fact that roster from 2019-2020 was really not good and they manage to go from the six seed even when they had Simmons all the way to the one seed

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article252483408.html

One of the most popular hypothetical trades among fans in Sacramento would send Buddy Hield and Marvin Bagley III to Philadelphia as part of a package for Ben Simmons. The Sacramento Bee submitted this proposal to a number of NBA agents and executives to get outside perspectives on what it would take to get a deal done.

One league source felt Simmons was a "pipe dream” for Sacramento, saying the 76ers would want Hield, Bagley and a minimum of three future first-round draft picks, including the No. 9 pick in this year’s draft. The source felt there was a better chance of an alternate deal involving 76ers forward Tobias Harris, suggesting Philadelphia might prefer to move Harris to clear salary cap space.

Another source questioned why either team would make that deal, specifically saying it doesn’t do enough to address Philadelphia’s need for leadership. The source suggested the Kings could make a serious play for Simmons if they make De’Aaron Fox or Tyrese Haliburton available. Some believe the 76ers could make a move for Kyrie Irving, Bradley Beal or Damian Lillard instead.

That remains to be seen, given Simmons’ recent playoff struggles, but the idea of a trade is something Morey and McNair will probably discuss, if they haven’t already. They might find it more difficult to agree on the terms of a deal now that they’re on opposite sides of the table.

 

Simmons for Hield and Bagley- no.

Simmons for Fox- hell yes.

Harris for Hield and Bagley- ok. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

did you watch the Sixers in Brett brown’s last year ? They were going to get destroyed by any team in the first round of the playoffs. Maybe swept but that team was bad even when they had Simmons. that team the previous year before the stoppage and before Simmons injury we thought they were gonna get bounced fast in the first round. They stunk all year and were barely hanging on to a 5-6 seed 

major embellishment. They wouldnt have been swept.

It always depends on the seeding. If they had run in to Brooklyn in the 1st round this year theyd have been a 1st round exit again too. With or without Morey.

Injuries have been the biggest factor. Thats why its time to stop thinking we will win anything with Embiid. 

it's interesting to read simmons trades made up by writers for other teams. you can find an article for simmons going to just about every other team.  some of the offers they make up are turrible. 

 

BULLS GET

BEN SIMMONS

GEORGE HILL

PAUL REED

 

76ERS GET

LAURI MARKKANEN, THAD YOUNG

TOMAS SATORANSKY

COBY WHITE

 

 

 

BULLS GET

BEN SIMMONS

 

WARRIORS GET

THAD YOUNG, 38TH PICK

GEORGE HILL

LAURI MARKKANEN

 

76ERS GET

ANDREW WIGGINS, JORDAN POOLE

COBY WHITE

LOTTERY PROTECTED FIRST

Why would the Kings trade Fox for Simmons?

 

 

 

BULLS GET

BEN SIMMONS

PAUL REED

 

76ERS GET

CJ MCCOLLUM

TOMAS SATORANSKY

UNPROTECTED FIRST

 

TRAIL BLAZERS GET

LAURI MARKKANEN

THADDEUS YOUNG

COBY WHITE

Just now, Khani1 said:

Why would the Kings trade Fox for Simmons?

i'm sure they wouldn't.

 

but they did have the worst defense in the entire nba...and haven't made the playoffs since 2006.