Just now, Khani1 said:

Yeah no doubt but I would aim higher and then go the Lavine route if all other options fail.  However, he is only 26 so he would be the youngest star we could get who is already in his prime.

honestly, out of the guys most often mentioned...i'd probably put lavine 3rd...after dame & beal..and it's close w/ beal. 

LaVine is the type of guy I want the team to go for. Partly because he is at the level where he is not YET a super star. As such, hes not at the level where I would be willing to give Maxey in the deal and I dont think we should need to. 

Ben is said to have a lot of value still. The Pacers started with an offer of Brogdon, Lamb, and a lottery pick. 

There is no way LaVine is THAT much better where now we are the team sending multiple players/picks when we had Indy doing that for us.

I dont think that poster is right on the values. Do that deal with Shake and its fine. Ill go up to Thybulle. Not Maxey. 

maxey is so overrated by sixers' fans.   

i like the kid but he was a mid/late 1st round pick & his play was very uneven. sure, he had a handful of breakout high scoring games but he's a few years away from being a consistent player, imo. 

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

I cannot look at this without my blood pressure rising to dangerous levels. This is basically Ben Simmons summed up in one screen cap. 

6 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

maxey is so overrated by sixers' fans.   

i like the kid but he was a mid/late 1st round pick & his play was very uneven. sure, he had a handful of breakout high scoring games but he's a few years away from being a consistent player, imo. 

You were able to see incremental growth a couple times throughout last season, even when was was basically benched for 15 games for Shake.  He got progressively better a couple times through the season.  You could see he would defer a lot when he was playing with some of the starters on the floor.  That was probably out of respect.  I don't think he is going to be a great player but his will and want are there.  He could be a very valuable player for this team for the long term if he stays.  But if we need to trade him for Dame, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

51 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

maxey is so overrated by sixers' fans.   

i like the kid but he was a mid/late 1st round pick & his play was very uneven. sure, he had a handful of breakout high scoring games but he's a few years away from being a consistent player, imo. 

or, maybe you're underrating him. I remember when most people in this thread never wanted to trade Shamet in any deals and hated that part of the Harris trade. 

Last offseason most people in here thought Thybulle was going to develop offense despite the fact that he was drafted after his senior year and still had absolutely nothing.

Not the best community of 6ers fans to take opinions on rookies from. Usually you guys are wrong. 

[Moore] Timberwolves President of Basketball Operations Gersson Rosas and 76ers General Manager Elton Brand met in Chicago during the NBA combine, sources say, where a Ben Simmons trade to Minnesota was discussed. The negotiations are not substantive at this time, sources say.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I remember when most people in this thread never wanted to trade Shamet in any deals and hated that part of the Harris trade. 

Last offseason most people in here thought Thybulle was going to develop offense despite the fact that he was drafted after his senior year and still had absolutely nothing.

Not the best community of 6ers fans to take opinions on rookies from. Usually you guys are wrong. 

yes...you guys have also overrated other sixers' rookies in the past. that's true too.

you guys should stop doing that. maxey should never be the reason for not trading simmons for an upgrade. 

 

45 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

yes...you guys have also overrated other sixers' rookies in the past. that's true too.

you guys should stop doing that. maxey should never be the reason for not trading simmons for an upgrade. 

 

Depends how much of an upgrade it is.

They need some young guys to feed the talent pipeline. I will trade thybulle, only because his shooting is poor

Maxey is almost off limits for me. Almost

Mr. Outsider, Tryonne Johnson just said that if the Wolves wanted Ben and offered Edwards, Russel and a first this year, he would have to think about it?  LOL!!!

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

or, maybe you're underrating him. I remember when most people in this thread never wanted to trade Shamet in any deals and hated that part of the Harris trade. 

Last offseason most people in here thought Thybulle was going to develop offense despite the fact that he was drafted after his senior year and still had absolutely nothing.

Not the best community of 6ers fans to take opinions on rookies from. Usually you guys are wrong. 

I was against that Harris deal for shamet, the first and you were basically locked into giving Harris a Max or he was going to leave and you’d be left with absolutely nothing to show for that trade. I said then and i say now if Jerry west calls you trying to deal a player to you then you should hang up. He doesn’t lose trades very often. Harris got close to a max and is nowhere close to that worth. I much rather have Shamet, the pick and cap space to use as assets then Harris. In the three playoff series the sixers has been eliminated since he’s gotten here he’s been mediocre to bad for good portions of those series. Unless they deal him and get some nice pieces back i still think it was a mistake. Then again it was a mistake to trade bridges or not draft porter jr at 10

2 hours ago, mr_hunt said:

yes...you guys have also overrated other sixers' rookies in the past. that's true too.

you guys should stop doing that. maxey should never be the reason for not trading simmons for an upgrade. 

 

I don’t like losing maxey but if it means we get lillard, beal or even Lavine then i would do it. Anyone else I’m really not willing to include him in a deal. Those three i would cause i think they give you a huge chance to be a legitimate contender. I’d try to make a deal to keep him but i don’t think if you want one of those three that’s happening.  

42 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Mr. Outsider, Tryonne Johnson just said that if the Wolves wanted Ben and offered Edwards, Russel and a first this year, he would have to think about it?  LOL!!!

I think you could potentially hope for Edwards OR Russell. Definitely not getting both. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think you could potentially hope for Edwards OR Russell. Definitely not getting both. 

If we called them and got one syllable into saying the word Anthony, they hang up.

I’ll bet anyone 50 bucks the twolves aren’t including edwards in any deal for Simmons. 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I was against that Harris deal for shamet, the first and you were basically locked into giving Harris a Max or he was going to leave and you’d be left with absolutely nothing to show for that trade. I said then and i say now if Jerry west calls you trying to deal a player to you then you should hang up. He doesn’t lose trades very often. Harris got close to a max and is nowhere close to that worth. I much rather have Shamet, the pick and cap space to use as assets then Harris. In the three playoff series the sixers has been eliminated since he’s gotten here he’s been mediocre to bad for good portions of those series. Unless they deal him and get some nice pieces back i still think it was a mistake. Then again it was a mistake to trade bridges or not draft porter jr at 10

Right. So, I would like to gamble on someone like Harris who may be considered a star, right on the brink of breaking in to superstardom. But that player because of not being an established super star yet, should have slightly lower value. 

If you didnt like giving up Shamet for Harris who was at that level, then it should caution everyone against giving up a better player than Shamet (Maxey), for another one of those players. LaVine is on the brink of superstardom. But what if it doesnt come like it didnt for Harris? Youre going to wish you didnt give up your best young player again.

Maxey should be off the table for guys like LaVine, Fox, Sexton. Give Shake, or Thybulle if you have to. But a line should be drawn there.

Shai G, and Sexton are the 2 players most like Harden at the point Morey acquired him from OKC. Id love for him to go for one of them.

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ll bet anyone 50 bucks the twolves aren’t including edwards in any deal for Simmons. 

Brodgon is a much better player than Russell. If they want Simmons "badly" theyll need to include someone better than Russell to beat the offer from Indiana.

They will have the player they covet in Simmons, and would still have a big 3 with KAT, Simmons, and Russell.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Brodgon is a much better player than Russell. If they want Simmons "badly" theyll need to include someone better than Russell to beat the offer from Indiana.

They will have the player they covet in Simmons, and would still have a big 3 with KAT, Simmons, and Russell.

You wanna make the bet? Im that sure they’re not giving up Anthony Edwards especially after what he just did his rookie year and on a cheap rookie contract. I don’t think they love Simmons enough to give up Anthony Edwards. I think they’d want Simmons if it meant russell and Beasley. If it meant edwards they walk away. 

Lavine is a 27ppg all star & in a much higher tier than tobi was when the sixers traded for him. But please continue.  

 

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Right. So, I would like to gamble on someone like Harris who may be considered a star, right on the brink of breaking in to superstardom. But that player because of not being an established super star yet, should have slightly lower value. 

If you didnt like giving up Shamet for Harris who was at that level, then it should caution everyone against giving up a better player than Shamet (Maxey), for another one of those players. LaVine is on the brink of superstardom. But what if it doesnt come like it didnt for Harris? Youre going to wish you didnt give up your best young player again.

Maxey should be off the table for guys like LaVine, Fox, Sexton. Give Shake, or Thybulle if you have to. But a line should be drawn there.

Shai G, and Sexton are the 2 players most like Harden at the point Morey acquired him from OKC. Id love for him to go for one of them.

 

I think Zach Lavine right now is a much better player than what Tobias Harris was at the time the Sixers got him and even today. Harris is still hasn’t made an All-Star team where as Lavine  has and Lavine is averaging 27 points a game and is a much better three-point shooter (more volume whereas tobias strength isn’t that). And an Olympian. He’s already a star. He might not be a superstar but he is a much better player then what Harris was when they got him and what Harris is now. the last three years Lavine has averaged 25-5-4.5 and shoots 38 percent from three on 6.5 attempts and 50% from the field. And I’d argue with less talent surrounding him whereas here with embiid he’d get much better looks. 

not only that if I was including maxey and Simmons, I would try to get markkanen who needs a new deal and wants out and is a good stretch 4 so then I could go trade Harris and get a wing or even a point guard in another trade. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You wanna make the bet? Im that sure they’re not giving up Anthony Edwards especially after what he just did his rookie year and on a cheap rookie contract. I don’t think they love Simmons enough to give up Anthony Edwards. I think they’d want Simmons if it meant russell and Beasley. If it meant edwards they walk away. 

No I dont want to make a bet. Im more sure we wont make a deal with them for Russell so likely a deal with Minnesota doesnt happen. Unless they get a 3rd team involved to get us a better player.

I want no part of Russell on this team.  We have enough locker room issues with work ethic, we don't need to add a bad teammate to that list.  Lavine is light years better than Tobi.  We aren't getting Edwards unless we are trading Embiid.

Russell is a snitch...do not want.

15 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

Lavine is a 27ppg all star & in a much higher tier than tobi was when the sixers traded for him. But please continue.  

 

We had at least 1 poster in this thread that didnt catch on to LaVine until last year. LaVine was on the rise prior to that but being the best player on a bad team and a reputation for not playing defense holds his reuptation back.

So he has finally made an all star game. And he has just boosted his scoring to 27ppg this year. Where were you when the LaVine train has been running for the past few years? I didnt see you on board. 

Meanwhile, you saw the hype for Harris when that trade was made. The incredible efficiency numbers. The 3 point shooting average. The fact that he was carrying that team on his back closing games for them. Succeeding in ISO situations. People were pumped. He hadnt made an all star game YET, but people thought for sure he was going to be that star for us. 

He was ascending to that level, and then hit a wall. Then someone in here started saying his half season in LA was a fluke. 

LaVine is not a long time 27ppg scorer. He can come here and average much less than expected (like Butler did when he came here), and people will say his 27ppg season was a fluke too. 

LaVine's 3% jumped to amost 42% this year. almost 3 % points from the year prior. And with that his eFG% jumped all the way from 52.6 to 59.6

Prior to this he was over 20ppg on volume shooting and known as a no D ball hog. ONLY this year did he improve his efficiency to those levels. In his prior two 20+ ppg seasons his Offensive win share was 1.7, and 1.8. This year it jumped all the way to 4.0.

But please.... go on telling me how he has always been this good like he is a well established star in the league.... With 1 season....

Theres only 1 person in here that kept bringing up a LaVine trade for the last 2 years while other people were against it. And it wasnt you. Please tell me what else youd like me to please tell you. School is in session.