When we miss out on Dame, Lavine and McCollum would not be a bad consolation!

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

if dame does get traded to a team other than philly & it's for a rebuild type package, you gotta think mccollum could be had for peanuts at that point. 

btw, this is me preemptively entering the bargaining stage of grief.

 

remember when we thought lebron was coming to philly....then kawhi....then harden.....   

Shake, Lavine, McCollum, Harris, Embiid... I am really bored now.

If Mattisse and Maxey are headed out, let's hope Joe and Reed can take a big leap.

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

I totally agree with you that Sixers give him a much better shot at multiple Finals runs compared to the Knicks.  But I also know how things go in Philly.  If he choses us over the Knicks, he would be a moron but it could happen.  But then no one ever feels sorry when he doesn't end up with a ring or at least a couple finals runs.

Being completely honest I think this comes down to what the Blazers want to do more if he asks out. If the Blazers want to go complete rebuild the Knicks package is better for them to do that. Because the guys they will be getting back are young and not ready to be a playoff contenders. And they’d get picks. 

with a 76ers deal if they get maxey, thybulle and Ben Simmons I still think they can compete to be a playoff caliber team in the Western Conference if they kept McCollum and signed Powell. Definitely aren’t a contender but they’ll compete for a bottom playoff team. 

I also think this comes down to what the Blazers think of Ben Simmons. Do they think Ben Simmons could eventually reach his ceiling and what RJ Barrett could eventually be? To me if the Blazers believe they can get Ben Simmons to actually shoot the basketball and become average at FTs then the ceiling for Ben Simmons is higher than anything the Knicks could put together. That said if they don’t believe that then RJ Barrett looks a lot better to you because he’s willing to grind to get better but he might not ever reach being a superstar but be a very good player in the league for a long time. I think dame would be fine going to the Knicks or the Sixers. Imo this is more about what the Blazers think of Ben Simmons long term compared to Barrett long term  

if we’re being even more honest the pelicans have the best offer of any team trying to trade for Lillard. Ingram, picks for years from the bucks and Lakers, and their own picks and can include jaxson hayes. Now I don’t know if the Blazers are willing to take a PR nightmare trading him somewhere he probably doesn’t want to go in New Orleans.

 

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

If Mattisse and Maxey are headed out, let's hope Joe and Reed can take a big leap.

yeah, they'll have to find some depth either way. green is a free agent so who knows where he'll wind up. so is korkmaz & he played a lot of minutes. they don't have a starting sf right now.

then you have glaring holes at backup pf and c. idk if dwight will be back. he took the vet min to play in philly last year & might be looking for a little more $$$ this time around. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Being completely honest I think this comes down to what the Blazers want to do more if he asks out. If the Blazers want to go complete rebuild the Knicks package is better for them to do that. Because the guys they will be getting back are young and not ready to be a playoff contenders. And they’d get picks. 

with a 76ers deal if they get maxey, thybulle and Ben Simmons I still think they can compete to be a playoff caliber team in the Western Conference if they kept McCollum and signed Powell. Definitely aren’t a contender but they’ll compete for a bottom playoff team. 

I also think this comes down to what the Blazers think of Ben Simmons. Do they think Ben Simmons could eventually reach his ceiling and what RJ Barrett could eventually be? To me if the Blazers believe they can get Ben Simmons to actually shoot the basketball and become average at FTs then the ceiling for Ben Simmons is higher than anything the Knicks could put together. That said if they don’t believe that then RJ Barrett looks a lot better to you because he’s willing to grind to get better but he might not ever reach being a superstar but be a very good player in the league for a long time. I think dame would be fine going to the Knicks or the Sixers. Imo this is more about what the Blazers think of Ben Simmons long term compared to Barrett long term  

if we’re being even more honest the pelicans have the best offer of any team trying to trade for Lillard. Ingram, picks for years from the bucks and Lakers, and their own picks and can include jaxson hayes. Now I don’t know if the Blazers are willing to take a PR nightmare trading him somewhere he probably doesn’t want to go in New Orleans.

 

I think the trade has to be amicable for both Lillard and Portland.  They have mutually respect for each other and both sides should comprise but also get what they want.  Not saying Dame gets to pick his exact team but I bet they allow him to narrow it down to 3-5 teams.

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

yeah, they'll have to find some depth either way. green is a free agent so who knows where he'll wind up. so is korkmaz & he played a lot of minutes. they don't have a starting sf right now.

then you have glaring holes at backup pf and c. idk if dwight will be back. he took the vet min to play in philly last year & might be looking for a little more $$$ this time around. 

Green should not resign with us for both his sake and ours.

Just now, mr_hunt said:

yeah, they'll have to find some depth either way. green is a free agent so who knows where he'll wind up. so is korkmaz & he played a lot of minutes. they don't have a starting sf right now.

then you have glaring holes at backup pf and c. idk if dwight will be back. he took the vet min to play in philly last year & might be looking for a little more $$$ this time around. 

Sixers would still have their MLE and the horford trade exception so That’s two guys they’d be adding. I’m also guessing the blazers if they are dealing lillard would likely be willing to part with some veterans as well like Roco. 

i said a couple weeks back to watch what happens with Powell. If he’s not being re-signed by Portland or used in a sign and trade then i think it is a strong indicator the blazers are going to deal lillard. 

He is going to speak at 3:30.

 

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

 

PR damage control to retain some trade leverage?

27 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

I think the trade has to be amicable for both Lillard and Portland.  They have mutually respect for each other and both sides should comprise but also get what they want.  Not saying Dame gets to pick his exact team but I bet they allow him to narrow it down to 3-5 teams.

Green should not resign with us for both his sake and ours.

I think the blazers likely ask him where and the realistic suitors imo are sixers, Knicks, Boston (brown would be a hell of a get in a trade package along with smart. They wouldn’t bottom out which I’m not sure Portland wants to entirely do), warriors and Lakers. I’d say Pelicans but I’m not sure dame wants to go to New Orleans to play even if zion is there. They have by far the best package imo  

don’t see the blazers dealing with the Lakers who lack prospects and picks since the AD deal. 

warriors if they want a complete rebuild makes a lot of sense. Get wiseman, 7th, 14th, likely more picks and can use Wiggins as an expiring contract. 

sixers have Simmons, maxey, thybulle and picks 

Knicks have Barrett, Mitchell, quickley, toppin, Knox and picks 

Boston has brown, smart, Williams and picks. 

pelicans can offer Lakers, bucks and their own picks, Ingram and hayes. 

in terms of just value of trade pelicans is the best followed by sixers/Knicks/Boston/warriors  depending on how they value Simmons, brown and Barrett or just a complete rebuild with the warriors deal  

 

that said if we just asked lillard which team he’d like to go to win a championship next year, I’d be surprised if he chose the Knicks over the 76ers considering he’d potentially have to wait a year to get another superstar with randle and himself. A starting lineup of lillard, Seth, green, Harris and embiid is IMO much more enticing then hoping you land a big fish in 2022 offseason and next year going into the season with lillard, rose (if re-signed), bullock (if re-signed), randle, Mitchell/Noel (if re-signed) (under the assumption Barrett, toppin, quickley are gone in that trade). 

There's no way Portland is sending him to the Lakers. None. 

As for the Warriors, I'm sure they'd rather get him out of the west. If they send him to GS, then they are going full rebuild and we should try and get McCollum on the cheap.

The key here, as others have stated, is how do they view Ben Simmons. If they think he can fulfill his potential and become a superstar, then you do the deal and hope you're right. If you think he lacks the desire to be great, you tear it down and rebuild. In that case, maybe you do a deal with the Knicks.

My hope is Portland management is dumb enough to (i) think they can fix Ben and (ii) think they need a "name" in return to placate the fan base.

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

There's no way Portland is sending him to the Lakers. None. 

As for the Warriors, I'm sure they'd rather get him out of the west. If they send him to GS, then they are going full rebuild and we should try and get McCollum on the cheap.

The key here, as others have stated, is how do they view Ben Simmons. If they think he can fulfill his potential and become a superstar, then you do the deal and hope you're right. If you think he lacks the desire to be great, you tear it down and rebuild. In that case, maybe you do a deal with the Knicks.

My hope is Portland management is dumb enough to (i) think they can fix Ben and (ii) think they need a "name" in return to placate the fan base.

It'd be more than just Ben.  They'd probably get Thybulle and Maxey plus picks.  So that's a DPOY runner up, a DPOY candidate with more minutes and rookie who flashed some serious potential given limited minutes (even in the playoffs).  That would be a young controllable core for them.  If I was Portland, I'd take it!

Foshbomb!

 

Just got off the phone with Shams. This is correct. I’m told that his #1 preference is Philadelphia. Also told that a 4 team deal is likely - involving Ben Simmons going to Golden State as part of that trade. Sacramento is the team I’m hearing as the 4th team involved.

10 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

There's no way Portland is sending him to the Lakers. None. 

As for the Warriors, I'm sure they'd rather get him out of the west. If they send him to GS, then they are going full rebuild and we should try and get McCollum on the cheap.

The key here, as others have stated, is how do they view Ben Simmons. If they think he can fulfill his potential and become a superstar, then you do the deal and hope you're right. If you think he lacks the desire to be great, you tear it down and rebuild. In that case, maybe you do a deal with the Knicks.

My hope is Portland management is dumb enough to (i) think they can fix Ben and (ii) think they need a "name" in return to placate the fan base.

I actually think this is a massive underrated thing in all this. It’s why i think Boston’s deal is compelling with brown. Makes the sixers and pelicans deals also more compelling with Simmons and Ingram’a name value. I think Portland wants a name in this cause I’m not sure they are willing to just go full rebuild mode

also i think comes into play is Portland knows it’s not going to sign a superstar to play in Portland. So they have to trade for one or trade for one they believe can become a superstar. Thus comes down to if they believe they can develop Simmons jumper/FTs to be that. As much as i and every sixers fan dislikes Simmons, he is the only player in any of the deals that could ever becoming a top 10 player (i don’t see it happening whatsoever. Love brown and Ingram but i don’t see either ever being top 10 talents either) if you believe you can get through to him. You just have to hope Portland sees it that way. 

2 minutes ago, rambo said:

It'd be more than just Ben.  They'd probably get Thybulle and Maxey plus picks.  So that's a DPOY runner up, a DPOY candidate with more minutes and rookie who flashed some serious potential given limited minutes (even in the playoffs).  That would be a young controllable core for them.  If I was Portland, I'd take it!

The rest of them are fillers. If they don't love Simmons, they aren't taking him and that contract no matter what we add.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The rest of them are fillers. If they don't love Simmons, they aren't taking him and that contract no matter what we add.

THEY ARE TAKING HIM!  THEY LOVE HIM!  THEY HAVE TO LOVE HIM!

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The rest of them are fillers. If they don't love Simmons, they aren't taking him and that contract no matter what we add.

That’s where the biggest unknown is. Don’t know what Portland thinks about Ben or if he can ever reach his potential. Like you said if they don’t believe he can ever reach it they won’t make a deal with Philly unless it’s a 3 way deal potentially with a warriors or Minnesota team. However if they do believe that (which i could see billups believing he could get that out of Ben) then i think he’s the only player in any trade you can make the case his ceiling is a superstar.

I tend to believe Portland doesn’t view Ben that way and frankly think the pelicans offer would be the best of any they are gonna get. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

My point was more if you look at the teams as currently constructed the sixers Youre not hoping to go into free agency in two years to get a superstar. the Sixers have a MVP superstar to team up to win a title as currently constructed. The Knicks you have to hope they go into free agency and get one of those superstars which might not even be there in free agency as i pointed out on another post. 

apparently Leon rose is better as a president/GM than morey who’s had more overall success and managed to complete more complicated deals then any GM? Like it’s disingenuous to morey who has made himself into one of the best general manager in the league. Because rose had one year where the Knicks overachieved in a mediocre eastern conference and during a pandemic means Rose is able to pull veterans trying to o chase a title to the Knicks with lillard and randle that Morey can’t with lillard and embiid? please. 

It’s laughable to think there’s going to be veterans trying to win a title and not wanting to come to 76ers if they manage to get embiid and lillard on the same team. Sorry if I don’t see veteran players (I’m talking about guys at the end of their careers, buyouts or willing to take less to win a title— not superstars cause the sixers can’t afford another meanwhile the Knicks have tk hope one becomes available in FA after dealing everyone away in a lillard deal) trying to chase a title saying naw I don’t really wanna play with two MVP caliber players. 

You do realize Rose was an agent forever to he has connections that run for decades and World Wide Wes is also an executive for the Knicks. These are major major power players in basketball and that absolutely matters. 

And I bet Lillard would want to be the savior of the Knicks to bring them back to relevancy after decades of nothingness. He would be the King of NYC and chanting his name in The Garden. 

It is absolutely laughable to think a player with a massive ego does not think about this and people in his circle are telling him this as well. 

if the foshbomb is true...and of course it is....simmons would wind up in golden state with a bunch of draft picks going to portland. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s where the biggest unknown is. Don’t know what Portland thinks about Ben or if he can ever reach their potential. Like you said if they don’t believe he can ever reach it they won’t make a deal with Philly unless it’s a 3 way deal potentially with a warriors or Minnesota team. However if they do believe that (which i could see billups believing he could get that out of Ben) then i think he’s the only player in any trade you can make the case his ceiling is a superstar.

I tend to believe Portland doesn’t view Ben that way and frankly think the pelicans offer would be the best of any they are gonna get. 

If the rumors are true that the Warriors do view Ben that way, a multi-team trade could work. Portland gets their pieces to rebuild while not seeing Dame in the West. GS gets Simmons as a new "star" since Steph/Klay/Green are aging. And the Sixers get the 2nd superstar they need to compete with the Lakers and Nets.

I wish this was like 2 months from now when the annual Simmons hype video comes out and they think they can change him or have him improve enough so that they could trade him for a ton in year.

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

if the foshbomb is true...and of course it is....simmons would wind up in golden state with a bunch of draft picks going to portland. 

If its a 4 team deal, maybe we end up keeping one of Maxey or Thybulle.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

If the rumors are true that the Warriors do view Ben that way, a multi-team trade could work. Portland gets their pieces to rebuild while not seeing Dame in the West. GS gets Simmons as a new "star" since Steph/Klay/Green are aging. And the Sixers get the 2nd superstar they need to compete with the Lakers and Nets.

Can we get Draymond in this deal?