Bill SImmons podcast said probably Bulls wouldnt do this but basically 6ers only chance at trading Harris is a delusional team that thinks theyre just a scoring forward away. Harris deal has a year gone so its like 4 years 140 million. A little high but its like they are signing him as a free agent and hes what they need. Says Chicago could be the only team.. sends Otto Porter's expiring, and Felicio's expiring.

 

He reminds me of Norman Braman 

they just talked about Embiid's 2nd half stats through this series (not counting his garbage time stats in game 4) and its bad. Big drop off from 1st half. 

Despite that we can visually see that he was in much better shape than usual, he was still exhausted after a half in all of the games, and his stats dropped in the 2nd halfs big time. 

 

We cant build around this guy...

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Bill SImmons podcast said probably Bulls wouldnt do this but basically 6ers only chance at trading Harris is a delusional team that thinks theyre just a scoring forward away. Harris deal has a year gone so its like 4 years 140 million. A little high but its like they are signing him as a free agent and hes what they need. Says Chicago could be the only team.. sends Otto Porter's expiring, and Felicio's expiring.

 

Some small market team that can't attract a young max player...maybe (but it's a huge maybe). Harris still has the remote possibility of improving his game. Had Fultz been as advertised, Harris would be fine in our starting lineup. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

they just talked about Embiid's 2nd half stats through this series (not counting his garbage time stats in game 4) and its bad. Big drop off from 1st half. 

Despite that we can visually see that he was in much better shape than usual, he was still exhausted after a half in all of the games, and his stats dropped in the 2nd halfs big time. 

 

We cant build around this guy...

Imagine if we had actual talent around him so he didn’t have to exert all his energy in the first half to just keep the sixers in the game cause everyone else did jack. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

they just talked about Embiid's 2nd half stats through this series (not counting his garbage time stats in game 4) and its bad. Big drop off from 1st half. 

Despite that we can visually see that he was in much better shape than usual, he was still exhausted after a half in all of the games, and his stats dropped in the 2nd halfs big time. 

 

We cant build around this guy...

Even being out of shape he averaged 30 and 10. He isn't Hakeem, but he isn't the problem. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Imagine if we had actual talent around him so he didn’t have to exert all his energy in the first half to just keep the sixers in the game cause everyone else did jack. 

So much this

3 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Even being out of shape he averaged 30 and 10. He isn't Hakeem, but he isn't the problem. 

So much this

Embiid is not THE problem.  There is no THE problem.  There is a multitude of problems.  He is one. 

He average 30 and 10 but you gotta see how he dropped in the 2nd half of every game.

He is supposedly our best player.  That guy is supposed to be our finisher and hes too exhausted. He can't physically do it. He's like a Boban before people are realizing he's at that point.

Is not gonna get any better next year. 

 

 

I dont know if they have any inside info on this but a few times they matter of factly said Brand will be re-assigned to another role. Not fired. But not GM anymore. 

31 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Even being out of shape he averaged 30 and 10. He isn't Hakeem, but he isn't the problem. 

Talent-wise, he IS Hakeem. That’s what is so infuriating.

 

 

According to the article Brand is staying

5 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

According to the article Brand is staying

Well f*** this is basically a klentak situation then. 

22 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont know if they have any inside info on this but a few times they matter of factly said Brand will be re-assigned to another role. Not fired. But not GM anymore. 

Is it G league gm?

52 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Embiid is not THE problem.  There is no THE problem.  There is a multitude of problems.  He is one. 

He average 30 and 10 but you gotta see how he dropped in the 2nd half of every game.

He is supposedly our best player.  That guy is supposed to be our finisher and hes too exhausted. He can't physically do it. He's like a Boban before people are realizing he's at that point.

Is not gonna get any better next year. 

 

 

Again maybe he’s exhausted by the end of the game because he’s basically carrying them in the first half as no one is doing anything. You act like the guys around him were contributing at a good enough level where he didn’t have to exert the energy just to keep them in the game in the first half. The guys around him did next to nothing for 3/4th of the game. When you basically have to exert energy for the first half just to keep the team in the game and then no one else steps up in the second half as well eventually you are going to wear out. That’s not an embiid thing. That’s pretty much any player who’s basically on the court with 3 of the 5 guys doing nothing All game.

legitimately go look at the series. He maybe had 1 or 2 other players play well the entire game with him. You can’t win with just 2 or 3 guys playing well. It doesn’t work that way. At one point in the first half it was embiid vs the celtics. You’re harping on embiid meanwhile harris who was terrible most Games for 3/4 of the game you are ok with. 

Put better players around embiid so he doesn’t have to carry 4 other guys the entire game you might get an embiid that finishes games better. Sadly horford and tobias most of the series no showed or played like crap. Richardson was all over the place and only efficient for two games. And shake is a backup who like Richardson was inconsistent and not efficient. Add on their bench sucked a** besides burks.  thybulle Can’t score and was getting beat defensively. And everyone else on the bench sucks. So you have 7 players that are useable and only embiid showed up every game and Harris, horford, shake and thybulle were basically no shows for 3/4th of the series. 
 

(also embiid didn’t play half that 4th quarter in game 2 as they were getting killed) 

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Again maybe he’s exhausted by the end of the game because he’s basically carrying them

That chances nothing about the truth of the statement- You cant build around him.

In fact, it confirms that statement.

Hes supposed to be our superstar talent. Not the Harris type player where you are looking for other players to carry the load for him. Hes supposed to be the guy who does it. 

Hes not. Because he physically cant. You build a bunch of scorers around him... ok. So they dip in to his statistical output. So now instead of 30/10 what kind of production are you going to have to accept from your supposed super star centerpiece? 20/7? Thats not a superstar stat line. You can put him in that role, but thats not a guy you build around at all. 

 

31 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

 

 

Brown's dismissal is expected to be a precursor for more upheaval for the 76ers, whose senior leadership (excellent!)-- including general manager Elton Brand (gross...) -- will begin exploring changes in the front office structure, (Yes.) sources said.

The franchise's plan is that Brand will continue to oversee basketball operations, sources said, (NNNOOOOOOOOO) but the personnel and structure in the front office is undergoing significant evaluation and change is looming. (good)

Among the Sixers senior leadership, there's still a strong desire to keep the franchise's two young All-Stars -- Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons -- together, sources said. The Sixers are determined to let a new coaching staff search for ways to maximize Embiid and Simmons together before even entering into a discussion on trade scenarios. (Stupid!)

 

The Sixers plan for a head coach will focus on LA Clippers assistant Ty Lue, sources said. Lue won a championship in 2016 as the Cleveland Cavaliers' head coach, and his ability to challenge and command the respect of high-level players makes him attractive to the Sixers -- and others -- in this job market. (Ok thats the kind of guy our young "stars" need.)

I understand if a coach is going to want to try to make it work with the 2 guys we have. But if you wont even consider offers you may get this offseason thats idiotic. 

Keeping Brand is certainly not a smart decision but at least it sounds like they are gutting colangelo's scouting department beneath him. When the time comes, he has made big moves and wont be afraid to make the Simmons/Embiid move whenever either or both are due. But hopefully a smarter front office and coach will help him make better deals. I dont know... we just have to hope.

Probably all of us wanted both gone. Most of us realistically thought itd be a lot to expect both such big moves to happen in one offseason. And, theyre not. But the HC and maybe all new scouts is still a big shakeup. So.. maybe? theres hope.

 

This is incomplete if Brand stays. They need to clean house. 

22 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

That chances nothing about the truth of the statement- You cant build around him.

In fact, it confirms that statement.

Hes supposed to be our superstar talent. Not the Harris type player where you are looking for other players to carry the load for him. Hes supposed to be the guy who does it. 

Hes not. Because he physically cant. You build a bunch of scorers around him... ok. So they dip in to his statistical output. So now instead of 30/10 what kind of production are you going to have to accept from your supposed super star centerpiece? 20/7? Thats not a superstar stat line. You can put him in that role, but thats not a guy you build around at all. 

 

Yes cause teams don’t need other players around a superstar player to win. Is that why Steph last finals tailed off the second half of games when klay and Durant weren’t out there. Like the excuse for tobias harris is purely ridiculous. The dude gets paid 38 million per year and you somehow just excuse it when he plays like crap for 3 games in the series and no shows for 75-80 percent of the series. 

Embiid scored 12, 12, 8 and 16 in the second half. Game 2 he was pulled with 6 minutes down 20 so easily could have gotten to 16-20 points. Game 3 somehow Richardson and shake decided they were going to be trigger happy in the second half and had more shots than embiid. That’s embiid’s fault that Milton and Richardson decided it was smart to take more shots than embiid who’s the best player on the floor and not feed him the ball. Literally he had 6 shots (one was 1 second left game was over and he just threw it at the basket). 

you jump through hoops to down play embiid’s 30-13 for the series but then make excuses for harris being a complete no show outside of a game in this entire series. He sucked And should get way more of your angst but since you like what he says it’s ok. And the excuse of  "well he’s not supposed to” yet he’s paid as if he is and is ridiculously lame. He’s not supposed to be dog crap for 80 percent of the series. Again get competent players so he doesn’t have to play 2 on 5 you might see better results for embiid. Harris freaking shot 13 percent from 3 all series. You don’t think that’s an issue when your center gets no space cause he can’t hit open looks 

not saying you can build around him. However the fact still remains you are knit picking on embiid when you have 9 other players who no showed for entire games and basically an entire series. Idk maybe if we didn’t have embiid and one other player play well they’d win. This is like when Lebron lost the 2015 where he’d tire out in the second half Of games cause it was him and delly doing everything. Instead of saying wow the rest of the team stinks and they need more. It was Lebron tired out and go after him. No crap that’s going to happen you have like 1 other player show up. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yes cause teams don’t need other players around a superstar player to win. Is that why Steph last finals tailed off the second half of games when klay and Durant weren’t out there. Like the excuse for tobias harris is purely ridiculous. The dude gets paid 38 million per year and you somehow just excuse it when he plays like crap for 3 games in the series and no shows for 75-80 percent of the series. 

Embiid scored 12, 12, 8 and 16 in the second half. Game 2 he was pulled with 6 minutes down 20 so easily could have gotten to 16-20 points. Game 3 somehow Richardson and shake decided they were going to be trigger happy in the second half and had more shots than embiid. That’s embiid’s fault that Milton and Richardson decided it was smart to take more shots than embiid who’s the best player on the floor and not feed him the ball. Literally he had 6 shots (one was 1 second left game was over and he just threw it at the basket). 

you jump through hoops to down play embiid’s 30-13 for the series but then make excuses for harris being a complete no show outside of a game in this entire series. He sucked And should get way more of your angst but since you like what he says it’s ok. And the excuse of  "well he’s not supposed to” yet he’s paid as if he is and is ridiculously lame. He’s not supposed to be dog crap for 80 percent of the series. Again get competent players so he doesn’t have to play 2 on 5 you might see better results for embiid. Harris freaking shot 13 percent from 3 all series. You don’t think that’s an issue when your center gets no space cause he can’t hit open looks 

not saying you can build around him. However the fact still remains you are knit picking on embiid when you have 9 other players who no showed for entire games and basically an entire series. Idk maybe if we didn’t have embiid and one other player they’d win. 

Harris is paid like a superstar but we know what he is. Something less than that. What you are doing is minimizing Embiid to that level, but pretending he still has that superstar pedigree. What I have said about Harris,  you are now saying about Embiid. They both need help. What that means though is that neither can be top dog. But no one ever suggested building around Harris. Most people in this thread think we should build around Embiid. Thats an elton brand move for sure. Which is bad.

11 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

This is incomplete if Brand stays. They need to clean house. 

yep. looks like thats not happening...

19 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Harris is paid like a superstar but we know what he is. Something less than that. What you are doing is minimizing Embiid to that level, but pretending he still has that superstar pedigree. What I have said about Harris,  you are now saying about Embiid. They both need help. What that means though is that neither can be top dog. But no one ever suggested building around Harris. Most people in this thread think we should build around Embiid. Thats an elton brand move for sure. Which is bad.

yep. looks like thats not happening...

Point is any superstar needs help to win. You seem to think superstars just succeed without getting help. Literally tell me what other player besides embiid played well this Series? No superstar is winning a series by himself. 

Ask Steph curry how it went in the finals last year when klay was gone and Durant got hurt? He was left with a bunch of scrubs and Draymond and began to fade in the second half and run out of gas compared to early in games. You actIng like there’s been a single superstar by himself in the nba carry his team to a finals without help. That’s a false statement. Giannis couldn’t do it last year when the raptors took away everyone else but him. Lebron when he had scrubs in the 2015 finals and delly was the only one doing anything. He couldn’t overcome that and he tired out in the second half of those games. None of them did it themselves. Furthermore when they got little help they struggled to. 
 

im not saying you build around embiid. What I’m saying is you are like i can’t believe he tired out down the stretch. Meanwhile theres recent history showing thats happened to better players when their teammates no showed for large stretches of the series or talented players were taken away so they had less help. 

and with harris i don’t expect a superstar performance. I should expect him to at least be competent for most of the series which is was awful. i expect better than 13 percent three point shooting and 37.7 fg percentage. maybe if harris shoots 30 percent from 3 which isn’t good and 45 percent which also isn’t great We win a game or two and embiid is able to do more as there’s better spacing. Cause celtics didn’t care if tobias shot cause he couldn’t hit the ocean from the beach. Instead you knit picking on embiid’s second half when harris wasn’t even average all series. He was awful for like 3 of the 4 games.

You want to say don’t build around embiid? I’d agree. However your reasoning about his second half isn’t the way I’d go about it cause there’s been stars who have had the same struggles running out of gas when team was depleted of talent and have inferior talent not show up. 

I feel we may be stuck with Horford and Harris for the foreseeable future. The only way to move those contracts would require giving up too many assets. With that said not sure if moving J. Rich helps any. We may end up running it back with largely the same team.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Point is any superstar needs help to win. You seem to think superstars just succeed without getting help. Literally tell me what other player besides embiid played well this Series? No superstar is winning a series by himself. 

 

Youre making up crap now.

We can look at embiid and see the exhaustion every game this series. I just heard his 2nd half stats on that Simmons podcast and its alarming. Especially since this was an Embiid in the best shape we have seen him since his rookie year. 

With the crap you are making up, you are ignoring that fact that we have seen him with help in previous playoffs, and he still wasnt fit enough to carry the team. Not then, and not this year when he was in better shape.

You cant build around him. He wont carry you anywhere. Fact. 

as i sit here watching noel on okc....remember when hinkie traded jrue holiday so he could draft nerlens noel? then he drafted embiid the very next year...and then jahill okafor the year after that.

remember that?  

They are looking at Ty Lue

 

 

And another three or four years wasted. 

2 minutes ago, West_Philly said:

I feel we may be stuck with Horford and Harris for the foreseeable future. The only way to move those contracts would require giving up too many assets. With that said not sure if moving J. Rich helps any. We may end up running it back with largely the same team.

it sounds like we will. WIth a new coach trying to make it work. 

Sounds like theyre gonna try that. Maybe if its not working you see one of Simmons or Embiid moved at the trade deadline. But probably not much happening this offseason.

We hope to move Horford and maybe Harris too but we know its gonna be tough and not likely.

Yeah.. if they just trade Richardson its probably going not going to really move the needle at all.