2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

From "NBA Analysis Network" suggested trade. 

I think this is a bit of an offer pay for George.

Philadelphia 76ers Receive: F Paul George

Los Angeles Clippers Receive: G/F Ben Simmons, G Tyrese Maxey, G George Hill, No. 28 pick, 2022 first-round pick swap, 2023 first-round pick 

I’m more curious about why the clippers would be trading Paul George. Is it cause they assume kawhi is leaving? George was not why they’ve lost in the playoffs this year. He wasn’t perfect but if he plays like he did and kawhi is healthy that’s scary. Imo if kawhi stays healthy I think they beat the suns and I’d bet my money on them beating the bucks. 

11 hours ago, nipples said:

That’s a horrible package for Lillard. If he’s actually on the block, there’s no way there isn’t a better offer than that. 

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! That was the same trade package as the Woj tweet that mysteriously disappeared. 

8 hours ago, nipples said:

Take Maxey out and add Thybulle and I could get on board. I wouldn’t love it but if it’s the best deal they could get for Ben then do it. 

You wouldn't love a top 15 player? 

27ppg, 9.6 rebounds, 5.4 assists in the playoffs 

 

14 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! That was the same trade package as the Woj tweet that mysteriously disappeared. 

Only problem is the Lakers can’t give up 3 first from now until 2025 cause they gave up their 2022 and 2024 (could choose to take the 2025 instead)to the Pelicans. Meaning the Lakers can’t give up their 2021 and 2023 firsts due to the nba rule that’s in place. So it’s actually impossible for the Lakers to give up 3 firsts from 2021-2025 unless they somehow acquire more first rounders 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Only problem is the Lakers can’t give up 3 first from now until 2025 cause they gave up their 2022 and 2024 (could choose to take the 2025 instead)to the Pelicans. Meaning the Lakers can’t give up their 2021 and 2023 firsts due to the nba rule that’s in place. So it’s actually impossible for the Lakers to give up 3 firsts from 2021-2025 unless they somehow acquire more first rounders 

Plus Portland could get much more value with a better offer. 

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Plus Portland could get much more value with a better offer. 

The Knicks, pelicans and sixers can all offer better offers than that. Particularly the pelicans who if they want can offer Ingram, hayes and then Lakers 2022 and 2024 firsts, bucks 2025 and 2027 firsts, their own picks and pick swaps they have with Lakers and bucks. 

36 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The Knicks, pelicans and sixers can all offer better offers than that. Particularly the pelicans who if they want can offer Ingram, hayes and then Lakers 2022 and 2024 firsts, bucks 2025 and 2027 firsts, their own picks and pick swaps they have with Lakers and bucks. 

So it will come down to the Knicks or us.  Should I prepare to be disappointed now or just keep riding the roller coaster hoping it ends up being us 😂

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

You wouldn't love a top 15 player? 

27ppg, 9.6 rebounds, 5.4 assists in the playoffs 

 

Id be ecstatic to add George but that trade seemed like an overpay, no?

15 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

So it will come down to the Knicks or us.  Should I prepare to be disappointed now or just keep riding the roller coaster hoping it ends up being us 😂

Idk listened to bodner and Hoffman discuss the situation on their podcast, they said the same things i basically did when we all discussed this the other day. It comes down to the the blazers views of Barrett and Simmons and reaching their ceilings in terms of what deal they’d take 

Hoffman and bodner detailed it the same as i did in terms of best positioned to win a title for lillard. Is there a chance lillard just wants to be the king of MSG? Possible, however if he’s asking to be traded to compete and win a title as he’s seen for a decade not having another superstar talent he’ll come up short. At the moment the Knicks don’t have that especially after what they’ll give up in a trade. the sixers give him that the moment he’s dealt. The Knicks might have Leon Rose and be the Knicks, but they have to wait til 2022 FA to potentially get another superstar/star. Meanwhile KD, harden, Steph (kawhi likely opting out this year and signing somewhere) are all likely staying put. Lavine has indicated he wants to stay with Chicago. Bradley Beal is an unknown. he might be dealt and extend where he’s traded too. Kyrie irving might be the only superstar/star to reach FA in 2022. And if the Knicks make the lillard trade they have no assets left to make another trade for a superstar.

That doesn’t mean he won’t get dealt to the Knicks if the blazers like their package better. but his chances of playing with a superstar in NY are much riskier considering there might not be a superstar/star that is available that fits well with his talents in FA in 2022 and not have the assets after the lillard trade to deal for another one. 
 

Some people on realgm are starting to see the light with Embiid and I didnt even have to say anything.

Those who complain about his usage are probably wrong. It doesnt make sense to decrease it when theres no one else capable to taking some usage. But another guy hit the nail on the head saying that if your plan is to move forward with him, you have to build the team as if you are without him. Thats really hard to do.

16 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Id be ecstatic to add George but that trade seemed like an overpay, no?

No because Clippers need to re coup what they gave up to get him. 

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Idk listened to bodner and Hoffman discuss the situation on their podcast, they said the same things i basically did when we all discussed this the other day. It comes down to the the blazers views of Barrett and Simmons and reaching their ceilings in terms of what deal they’d take 

Hoffman and bodner detailed it the same as i did in terms of best positioned to win a title for lillard. Is there a chance lillard just wants to be the king of MSG? Possible, however if he’s asking to be traded to compete and win a title as he’s seen for a decade not having another superstar talent he’ll come up short. At the moment the Knicks don’t have that especially after what they’ll give up in a trade. the sixers give him that the moment he’s dealt. The Knicks might have Leon Rose and be the Knicks, but they have to wait til 2022 FA to potentially get another superstar/star. Meanwhile KD, harden, Steph (kawhi likely opting out this year and signing somewhere) are all likely staying put. Lavine has indicated he wants to stay with Chicago. Bradley Beal is an unknown. he might be dealt and extend where he’s traded too. Kyrie irving might be the only superstar/star to reach FA in 2022. And if the Knicks make the lillard trade they have no assets left to make another trade for a superstar.

That doesn’t mean he won’t get dealt to the Knicks if the blazers like their package better. but his chances of playing with a superstar in NY are much riskier considering there might not be a superstar/star that is available that fits well with his talents in FA in 2022 and not have the assets after the lillard trade to deal for another one. 
 

Can you email this to Dame?  Thanks!

5 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

No because Clippers need to re coup what they gave up to get him. 

Was there an explanation about why the clippers were willing to part with George? I have to assume they believe kawhi is leaving and the clippers would want to blow it up at that point. 

8 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

No because Clippers need to re coup what they gave up to get him. 

Sure, theyd like to. But his value took a bit of a hit since then.

If Lillard's value is about Ben, Tisse, Maxey, 3-4 1sts, what would Beal and George's value be?

7 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

If Lillard's value is about Ben, Tisse, Maxey, 3-4 1sts, what would Beal and George's value be?

I got to imagine beal would be close to that considering he’s only 28 and lillard is 31. The issue with beal is he’s got a player’s option for 22-23. He could opt out at the end of this upcoming season and walk away. Whereas lillard is locked in for 4 more years as he signed his extension. I tend to think the wizards need to know what his intentions are long term heading into the season because if he’s not promising them to come back after this season i think it becomes more realistic they could deal him. They may just take the risk

George is also locked in for years and is 31. I actually think he’s a better two way player than lillard and beal. He is a much better defender then both but i don’t think nearly as good of an offensive player as lillard. 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I got to imagine beal would be close to that considering he’s only 28 and lillard is 31. The issue with beal is he’s got a player’s option for 22-23. He could opt out at the end of this upcoming season and walk away. Whereas lillard is locked in for 4 more years as he signed his extension. I tend to think the wizards need to know what his intentions are long term heading into the season because if he’s not promising them to come back after this season i think it becomes more realistic they deal him. They may just take the risk

George is also locked in for years and is 31. I actually think he’s a better two way player than lillard and beal. He is a much better defender then both but i don’t think nearly as good of an offensive player as lillard. 

We would certainly need a wink wink deal if we trade for Beal.  No way you trade all that to have him for only 1 year.

George is certainly the better the defender out of the 3 but it seems that while defense is still important, the way the playoffs are called now, great offense is more valuable than great defense.  Booker should have fouled out 1-2 games this series already.  The star guards get all the calls now.

8 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

We would certainly need a wink wink deal if we trade for Beal.  No way you trade all that to have him for only 1 year.

George is certainly the better the defender out of the 3 but it seems that while defense is still important, the way the playoffs are called now, great offense is more valuable than great defense.  Booker should have fouled out 1-2 games this series already.  The star guards get all the calls now.

I actually think George’s playoffs were pretty good from an offensive standpoint. He averaged 27-9.6-5. He had a couple bad games and missed key free throws against the suns. Still averaged 28.7 points, 10.5 boards and 5.5 assists for that suns series and really by game 5 the clippers were down like 3-4 players. I’d have liked to see his 3 point percentage be higher than 34 for the playoffs but before kawhi got hurt he was at 36-37%. I think he be your Robin if you have a Batman. There’s certain nights where he can be Batman. Tbh if Ben Simmons just became the offensive player Paul George is then i don’t think we are even having the discussion about trading Ben. 

I’d take George in a trade. However i still don’t see the clippers dealing him unless kawhi bolts and they want to do a complete tear down which i don’t know if they’d do that. 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually think George’s playoffs were pretty good from an offensive standpoint. He averaged 27-9.6-5. He had a couple bad games and missed key free throws against the suns. Still averaged 28.7 points, 10.5 boards and 5.5 assists for that suns series and really by game 5 the clippers were down like 3-4 players. I’d have liked to see his 3 point percentage be higher than 34 for the playoffs but before kawhi got hurt he was at 36-37%. I think he be your Robin if you have a Batman. There’s certain nights where he can be Batman. Tbh if Ben Simmons just became the offensive player Paul George is then i don’t think we are even having the discussion about trading Ben. 

I’d take George in a trade. However i still don’t see the clippers dealing him unless kawhi bolts and they want to do a complete tear down which i don’t know if they’d do that. 

The problem is, with Joel there is always the chance of fatigue/injury and you have to plan for it.  While I think George would make us much better, I am not sure if that would be enough.  We need a second Batman, to go along with Joel.  Sometimes Joel will have to be Robin and we still need a Batman.  Enter, Damian Lillard.  He can be play the role of Batman 2 or even Superman certain nights.  Joel could conserve his energy in playoffs games and focus a little more on defense too.  When the 4th quarter comes around, he won't be totally gassed.  Plus, we all know how clutch Dame is at the end of games.  If we are going all in for the next 3-4 years, no other player makes as much sense.

3 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

The problem is, with Joel there is always the chance of fatigue/injury and you have to plan for it.  While I think George would make us much better, I am not sure if that would be enough.  We need a second Batman, to go along with Joel.  Sometimes Joel will have to be Robin and we still need a Batman.  Enter, Damian Lillard.  He can be play the role of Batman 2 or even Superman certain nights.  Joel could conserve his energy in playoffs games and focus a little more on defense too.  When the 4th quarter comes around, he won't be totally gassed.  Plus, we all know how clutch Dame is at the end of games.  If we are going all in for the next 3-4 years, no other player makes as much sense.

I get what you are saying however it’s not a given Lillard comes here or is even dealt. I could see the blazers trying to at least convince him of giving them this year to show him with a new coach. If lillard becomes available i go all in to get him. I think he’s the player that morey truly covets and would give up everything for.

If they swing and missing on Lillard but potentially could get Paul George then I’m for doing a PG trade. I think it’ll get you closer to where you want to be then holding onto Ben at that point. Not sure i include maxey in that deal though. I’m guessing the clippers would ask for him 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I get what you are saying however it’s not a given Lillard comes here or is even dealt. I could see the blazers trying to at least convince him of giving them this year to show him with a new coach. If lillard becomes available i go all in to get him. I think he’s the player that morey truly covets and would give up everything for.

If they swing and missing on Lillard but potentially could get Paul George then I’m for doing a PG trade. I think it’ll get you closer to where you want to be then holding onto Ben at that point. Not sure i include maxey in that deal though. I’m guessing the clippers would ask for him 

Yeah it is contingent upon Lillard being available.  9 time out of 10 though, when these rumors and leaks come out, especially with desired teams listed, that player ends up being moved.  You could see the body language in his press conference.  He was basically saying, get me a star or I'm out or in his words "there is a major sense of urgency".  Not sure how they could pair him with another star even if they use CJ as the major trade chip. 

if ben gets traded for george,  they need to move tobi for backcourt help...maybe cj...or a true pg.

Well no one will want to trade Maxey now

 

 

4 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Well no one will want to trade Maxey now

 

 

I'll counter with, he will never shoot corner 3's.  Let's see him hit them from the front!

FYI if you listen to 97.5 the night host Devon Givens is cousins with Mikal Bridges, he confirmed the source saying Philly is his top choice if he’s traded