3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

as i sit here watching noel on okc....remember when hinkie traded jrue holiday so he could draft nerlens noel? then he drafted embiid the very next year...and then jahill okafor the year after that.

remember that?  

yes.

3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

They are looking at Ty Lue

 

 

And another three or four years wasted. 

is he worse than Brett Brown on the court?

 

16 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Youre making up crap now.

We can look at embiid and see the exhaustion every game this series. I just heard his 2nd half stats on that Simmons podcast and its alarming. Especially since this was an Embiid in the best shape we have seen him since his rookie year. 

With the crap you are making up, you are ignoring that fact that we have seen him with help in previous playoffs, and he still wasnt fit enough to carry the team. Not then, and not this year when he was in better shape.

You cant build around him. He wont carry you anywhere. Fact. 

As soon as they lost talented players and began playing with inferior talent they began to get more gassed in the second half of games or late in games had struggles. 

also talk about people making crap up. Read your harris argument. That’s making crap up and man due to go out of your way to defend a guy who’s been awful in back to back playoff performances  

second where did i say build the team around him? I didn’t. I said you act like he was going Ito carry a bunch of players who no showed for 75-80 percent of the series to a series victory. 

again answer my question besides embiid name me another player on the sixers who played well all series?

Better yet name me a player who played well in at least one half of basketball every game this series? I’ll wait cause if you try to make up this answer you are wrong.

But sure he’s carrying harris shooting 37 percent and 13 from three and a broken down horford. As well as a backup pg and a bench of thybulle and Burke. And Richardson who might have shown up for 2 games. Yes i totally see Steph curry carrying us to a series  victory with the trash we had out there this series. Lmao. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

is he worse than Brett Brown on the court?

 

His only HC experience is sitting back and letting LeBron do what he wants. 

Are some really good associate HC that deserve a shot. 

43 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yes cause teams don’t need other players around a superstar player to win.

 

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Youre making up crap now.

 

 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No I'm not. 

uh... yes you are. 

6 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

His only HC experience is sitting back and letting LeBron do what he wants. 

Are some really good associate HC that deserve a shot. 

He managed the ego of LeBron. So thats good for managing the egos of Embiid and especially Simmons.

If he can do anything as a game day coach hes an improvement. 

There may be other better coaches. I dont know. But if they improve on Brown, Im happy for now. I just want to know if he has an offensive system with an identity, or if he can draw up plays out of timeouts, or know when to tame timeouts, or know how substitutions should work... any of that stuff...

17 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

 

 

uh... yes you are. 

Whatever helps you sleep at night. But keep defending harris like he wasn’t a bigger reason the sixers failed or the lack of a bench or bum horford. Or shake starting and is a backup.

I’ll wait for you to answer my two questions you avoided. 

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He managed the ego of LeBron. So thats good for managing the egos of Embiid and especially Simmons.

If he can do anything as a game day coach hes an improvement. 

There may be other better coaches. I dont know. But if they improve on Brown, Im happy for now. I just want to know if he has an offensive system with an identity, or if he can draw up plays out of timeouts, or know when to tame timeouts, or know how substitutions should work... any of that stuff...

Those are some low standards. 

 

Straight up laughable if they hired d’Antoni with the team they have currently. Talk about a complete clash in talent you have and style he wants to play. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Whatever helps you sleep at night sparky. But keep defending harris like he wasn’t a bigger reason the sixers failed or the lack of a bench or bum horford. Or shake starting and is a backup.

I’ll wait for you to answer my two questions you avoided. 

what the hell is up with you continuously bringing up Harris today?  I dont get far in to your posts that begin with logical fallacies.

Heres the thing you need to understand. My opinion on Harris has no bearing on what Embiid is, or is capable of. Its completely pointless for you to bring it up at all in a discussion about Embiid. It adds absolutely nothing to your argument. 

Secondly, its clear you dont even understand my opinion of Harris since you keep pretending like I have some double standard. Let me break it down real simple for you so you can compare since you think Harris matters in this discussion. 

1. I have said I dont think its necessary to complain about Harris's contract.

     1a. I dont, and never have complained about Embiid's contract!

    - thats completely fair and even treatment for both players.

2. Harris is not a franchise centerpiece super star player. Yes hes paid like one but thats not what he was brought in to be, and no one ever thought he is or expected that of him. He was 4th after Embiid, Simmons, and Butler. 

     2a. Embiid from day 1 was supposed to be that guy. So like it or not, there are different expectations for the players.

   -But again, my point about Harris was always that I dont mind the contract. NEVER that I didnt hope for more from him. 

3. Today I said you cant build around Embiid.

    3a. I never, ever said we could or should build around Harris.

   -again, completely fair and even treatment of the players. Ive not put Harris on a pedestal while degrading Embiid. Ive been calling it even all along WITH proper perspective of what each guy was supposed to be for this franchise. With that comes slightly higher expectations for Embiid (as a guy you are supposed to be able to build around and many people still want to) vs a guy who was never supposed to be that guy.

 

So, you can drop all the Harris nonsense in this discussion about Embiid. It makes you sound desperate. The double standard you are trying to pretend  exists clearly does not exist. 

 

4. I acknowledged about Harris that he cant be the top dog and needs to be in the right role to succeed. 

    4a. I have now acknowledged the same about Embiid. 

You refuse to directly state that you accept that viewpoint but you make the case that you do without realizing. Embiid does not need help. He needs to be the help. You say he is tired from trying to carry the load while other super stars are out there scoring 50 points in games. Embiid is exhausted after scoring 20 in 1 half of play. You want other guys to help carry the load. Yes. Embiid needs that. But when other guys are scoring instead, his stats dip to something below superstar franchise centerpiece production. 

So hes not that guy when he is in the role. And he wont give you that production when he has help on the court either. We already know that as we have already seen it. 

 

Simple stuff. You just gotta come to terms with it. You will in time. For now quit arguing and bringing up Harris. Its gotten weird. 

17 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Those are some low standards. 

 

yes. this is the 6ers.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

what the hell is up with you continuously bringing up Harris today?  I dont get far in to your posts that begin with logical fallacies.

Heres the thing you need to understand. My opinion on Harris has no bearing on what Embiid is, or is capable of. Its completely pointless for you to bring it up at all in a discussion about Embiid. It adds absolutely nothing to your argument. 

Secondly, its clear you dont even understand my opinion of Harris since you keep pretending like I have some double standard. Let me break it down real simple for you so you can compare since you think Harris matters in this discussion. 

1. I have said I dont think its necessary to complain about Harris's contract.

     1a. I dont, and never have complained about Embiid's contract!

    - thats completely fair and even treatment for both players.

2. Harris is not a franchise centerpiece super star player. Yes hes paid like one but thats not what he was brought in to be, and no one ever thought he is or expected that of him. He was 4th after Embiid, Simmons, and Butler. 

     2a. Embiid from day 1 was supposed to be that guy. So like it or not, there are different expectations for the players.

   -But again, my point about Harris was always that I dont mind the contract. NEVER that I didnt hope for more from him. 

3. Today I said you cant build around Embiid.

    3a. I never, ever said we could or should build around Harris.

   -again, completely fair and even treatment of the players. Ive not put Harris on a pedestal while degrading Embiid. Ive been calling it even all along WITH proper perspective of what each guy was supposed to be for this franchise. With that comes slightly higher expectations for Embiid (as a guy you are supposed to be able to build around and many people still want to) vs a guy who was never supposed to be that guy.

 

So, you can drop all the Harris nonsense in this discussion about Embiid. It makes you sound desperate. The double standard you are trying to pretend  exists clearly does not exist. 

 

4. I acknowledged about Harris that he cant be the top dog and needs to be in the right role to succeed. 

    4a. I have now acknowledged the same about Embiid. 

You refuse to directly state that you accept that viewpoint but you make the case that you do without realizing. Embiid does not need help. He needs to be the help. You say he is tired from trying to carry the load while other super stars are out there scoring 50 points in games. Embiid is exhausted after scoring 20 in 1 half of play. You want other guys to help carry the load. Yes. Embiid needs that. But when other guys are scoring instead, his stats dip to something below superstar franchise centerpiece production. 

So hes not that guy when he is in the role. And he wont give you that production when he has help on the court either. We already know that as we have already seen it. 

 

Simple stuff. You just gotta come to terms with it. You will in time. For now quit arguing and bringing up Harris. Its gotten weird. 

yes. this is the 6ers.

Well considering the fact harris was god awful for 80 percent of the series and you decided to defend him like it’s ok cause his not the top dog could be the reason. The amount of excuses you make for harris is why. It’s laughable and ridiculous the lengths you go to with harris to make him not a bigger issue lol. Or that embiid was the bigger issue in the series then about 7-8 glaring factors you casually ignore but go straight to embiid. It’s more weird you go off about embiid the one player who at least showed up to every game. And then ignore literally everything else that factors into it. I could get to at least 5 major issues before getting to embiid about why they lost this series.
 

Again is embiid a player you build around? No. But ignoring the fact superstars struggled with the same thing he did in the second half in recent playoff series With poor rosters or inferior is quite an amazing 

tl/dr. Have a goodnight. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Well considering the fact harris was god awful for 80 percent of the series and you decided to defend him like it’s ok could be the reason.

man... I made it incredibly simple and you still dont get it- The context of the Harris discussion vs the Embiid discussion was entirely different. And I really cant believe you are still going on about him. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Or that embiid was the bigger issue in the series

I also never said this so its yet another thing you had to make up to try to support your argument.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And then ignore literally everything else. 

and lastly, I didnt ignore any of the other issues on the team. In fact I alluded to the fact that "he isnt THE issue. There are a multitude"

The only reason Embiid was brought up as a topic this afternoon is because it was what was discussed on the Bill Simmons podcast. You really need to relax 

55 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

as i sit here watching noel on okc....remember when hinkie traded jrue holiday so he could draft nerlens noel? then he drafted embiid the very next year...and then jahill okafor the year after that.

remember that?  

and wasn't that happening right when the league was phasing out traditional bigs? 

man...i miss hinkie.

 

4 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

and wasn't that happening right when the league was phasing out traditional bigs? 

man...i miss hinkie.

 

you have to remember that during the process years universally all fans agreed that the right thing to do was select the best overall talent regardless of position. We werent drafting to assemble a team on the court that meshed perfectly. We were drafting to accumulate assets. Even as the picks turned in to players in those days, the players were still only meant to be assets so it only made sense to take the most vaulable asset, even if it wasnt the most sensible player to take if you wanted to build a compatible team. 

Noel was a great college player who only fell to us due to the ACL injury.  Embiid was the obvious choice. And Okafor was forced on us when Hinkie wanted Porzingis. 

Even in hindsight, those were all easy choices when you include Porzingis. And the biggest disaster was the one he didnt want to pick. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

man... I made it incredibly simple and you still dont get it- The context of the Harris discussion vs the Embiid discussion was entirely different. And I really cant believe you are still going on about him. 

 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I also never said this so its yet another thing you had to make up to try to support your argument.

 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

and lastly, I didnt ignore any of the other issues on the team. In fact I alluded to the fact that "he isnt THE issue. There are a multitude"

The only reason Embiid was brought up as a topic this afternoon is because it was what was discussed on the Bill Simmons podcast. You really need to relax 

Ah yes. Bill Simmons. The same guy who said thybulle was going to be a star here and boston shouldn’t have traded the pick away for fultz.  Yup that’s the guy i listen too. He’s been spot on About so many things. 

my issue you believe embiid Coming to a gun fight with knife and pretending that didn’t play into any of his second half issues In the series. Meanwhile Lebron in the 2015 finals and curry last finals same issue when that happened . 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

 

Ah yes. Bill Simmons. The same guy who said thybulle was going to be a star here and boston shouldn’t have traded the pick away for fultz.  Yup that’s the guy i listen too. He’s been spot on About so many things. 

my issue you believe embiid Coming to a gun fight with knife and pretending that didn’t play into any of his second half issues In the series. Meanwhile Lebron in the 2015 finals and curry last finals same issue when that happened . 

Embiid rolled in to a knife fight with a tank last year and still sucked in the playoffs. Thats a big factor to ignore. Youre acting like this is new and completely attributal to the injuries this year. Its not new. He sucked when he had Simmons, Butler, Redick, and Harris with him last year.

31 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Embiid rolled in to a knife fight with a tank last year and still sucked in the playoffs. Thats a big factor to ignore. 

I never said he didn’t last year. an argument I didn’t discuss as I’ve repeatedly discussed 2020 playoffs and his second half performances In the 2020 playoffs. Meanwhile his second halves he averaged 12 points which is 3 less than the second highest scorer on the sixers per game in the playoffs  

I also didn’t say you could build around him. I’ve said in the past you can’t. Yet you seem to think me defending him this series means i think you can. No i can defend embiid in 2020 and still think can’t build around him   

So i was talking about this year in the present on why he struggled in the second half. Last year he did suck. Never did i say he didn’t. This year was a knife to a gun fight and you act like that didn’t play any factor into his 2020 second half performances. 

You can absolutely build around embiid

simmons not so much

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

it sounds like we will. WIth a new coach trying to make it work. 

Sounds like theyre gonna try that. Maybe if its not working you see one of Simmons or Embiid moved at the trade deadline. But probably not much happening this offseason.

We hope to move Horford and maybe Harris too but we know its gonna be tough and not likely.

Yeah.. if they just trade Richardson its probably going not going to really move the needle at all. 

With that said if we can translate our home record to away games then there is hope. At home the sixers were nearly unbeatable. If we can get that same dedication on away games (maybe a new coach) then we are a top 3 seed team in the east

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Straight up laughable if they hired d’Antoni with the team they have currently. Talk about a complete clash in talent you have and style he wants to play. 

Exactly, I really hope they pick a coach that has a scheme that can fit the talent here versus trying to force Embiid and Simmons to fit a style of play that does not fit their talents

Top coaching candidates are:

Jason Kidd

Becky Hammon

Juwan Howard

We might be screwed. 

8 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Top coaching candidates are:

Jason Kidd

Becky Hammon

Juwan Howard

We might be screwed. 

Hammon deserves a shot as does Darvin Ham. Both come from great coaching pedigrees 

12 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Top coaching candidates are:

Jason Kidd

Becky Hammon

Juwan Howard

We might be screwed. 

I’m surprised Sam cassell hasn’t gotten more consideration for a job in general.