roco is a really good defender...so it sort of works for houston.  at best....and being generous....harris is an average defender.

idk if the rockets' model would work for the sixers w/ a non-shooter like ben on the court. 

5 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

roco is a really good defender...so it sort of works for houston.  at best....and being generous....harris is an average defender.

idk if the rockets' model would work for the sixers w/ a non-shooter like ben on the court. 

They play position less basketball so could be Tucker one day and Roco the next. 

 

It could work because Russ is a bad shooter, 25% from 3 this year. Ben just HAS TO START SHOOTING. 

 

It all comes down to that. This team could absolutely work built like it is with flaws if Ben shot the ball and even was 30% from 3.

6 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

roco is a really good defender...so it sort of works for houston.  at best....and being generous....harris is an average defender.

idk if the rockets' model would work for the sixers w/ a non-shooter like ben on the court. 

Word I thought about that with Harris. But his D has improved some as a 6er and he can probably handle a center better than he can a quicker perimeter player. 

Still,  right, its not exact. But seems like a pretty close comp to start with if we wanted to copy that model. 

Just now, DaEagles4Life said:

They play position less basketball so could be Tucker one day and Roco the next. 

 

It could work because Russ is a bad shooter, 25% from 3 this year. Ben just HAS TO START SHOOTING. 

 

It all comes down to that. This team could absolutely work built like it is with flaws if Ben shot the ball and even was 30% from 3.

yeah, i'm talking about ben in reality.  i don't expect him to consistently start putting up 3's...ever. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Word I thought about that with Harris. But his D has improved some as a 6er and he can probably handle a center better than he can a quicker perimeter player. 

Still,  right, its not exact. But seems like a pretty close comp to start with if we wanted to copy that model. 

if they're doing a build around ben, they can probably get away with al at center...maybe paired with an olynyk type who's an even better 3 point shooter. harris could play some minutes at the 5 if they wanted to go really small. 

they'd really need to nail the embiid trade in that scenario...getting a couple really good shooters in return. 

26 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

if they're doing a build around ben, they can probably get away with al at center...maybe paired with an olynyk type who's an even better 3 point shooter. harris could play some minutes at the 5 if they wanted to go really small. 

they'd really need to nail the embiid trade in that scenario...getting a couple really good shooters in return. 

Agreed. 

Deals centered around 

Beal for Embiid 

Or

Jamal Murray for Simmons 

Send both offers out and see who blinks first. 

I feel like getting Murray after that playoff performance will be tough.  In a deal with Denver, it might make sense to see if they would do Embiid for Jokic.  They need to improve their D and Embid would do that.  A shooter like Jokic at 5 would be ideal with Ben plus the perimeter defenders we have should theoretically minimize Jokic's negative impact on D.

 

Same would apply for KAT but I don't think there is any chance MN does the deal. 

https://www.rightstorickysanchez.com/the-good-oconnor-mike/luestuff

Good article on Lue and states the obvious at the end of it.

5 hours ago, rambo said:

https://www.rightstorickysanchez.com/the-good-oconnor-mike/luestuff

Good article on Lue and states the obvious at the end of it.

He ended that piece perfectly 

If the bucks lose this series (highly likely) with Giannis as a FA at the end of next year, I can’t imagine the bucks waiting to find out if he’s going to sign a super Max and return. I think they’ll ask him if he’s going to sign the super max and if he isn’t definitive i see them potentially looking to trade him. Add more fuel to the fire, the heat have a ton of cap space in 2021 offseason and can just outright sign him to a max deal. So if he goes there he potentially could leave them and they get nothing to show for it. I think there’s a solid chance if he tells them he may leave that they look to trade him. Going through the NBA teams that have trade offers for him i think there’s 6-7 logical places. 
 

warriors— trade no. 2 overall, 2021 wolves first (top 3 protected) and Wiggins to match salary 

suns— ayton, oubre, Bridges and 1st

Boston— walker, brown and 1st

Clippers— Paul George, shamet and couple 1st

sixers— simmons, thybulle, Richardson and 1st (take back a bad contract to make it work)

Nets— dinwiddie, levert, Jordan and 1sts

Wild card is Denver depending on if they are willing to trade jokic. Salary would matchup. Not sure Milwaukee would want to build around a center. 

5 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If the bucks lose this series (highly likely) with Giannis as a FA at the end of next year, I can’t imagine the bucks waiting to find out if he’s going to sign a super Max and return. I think they’ll ask him if he’s going to sign the super max and if he isn’t definitive i see them potentially looking to trade him. Add more fuel to the fire, the heat have a ton of cap space in 2021 offseason and can just outright sign him to a max deal. So if he goes there he potentially could leave them and they get nothing to show for it. I think there’s a solid chance if he tells them he may leave that they look to trade him. Going through the NBA teams that have trade offers for him i think there’s 6-7 logical places. 
 

warriors— trade no. 2 overall, 2021 wolves first (top 3 protected) and Wiggins to match salary 

suns— ayton, oubre, Bridges and 1st

Boston— walker, brown and 1st

Clippers— Paul George, shamet and couple 1st

sixers— simmons, thybulle, Richardson and 1st (take back a bad contract to make it work)

Nets— dinwiddie, levert, Jordan and 1sts

Wild card is Denver depending on if they are willing to trade jokic. Salary would matchup. Not sure Milwaukee would want to build around a center. 

There's been a lot of negativity around Giannis really comparing him to Simmons saying you can't win in the playoffs with him because he can't shoot.  Saying he's not a #1 franchise centerpiece and teams know how to defend him in the playoffs.

I would not want to trade for him and be stuck in the same place. 

It is way too early to be drinking. You wouldn't take Giannis? What in the F cloud are you on? He is a different player than Ben, but that is a Skip level of hot take.

 

Dude puts in the work every single year and gets better every year. He keeps on this pace he will go down as a Top 20 player of all time. He had the best PER regular season before the break EVER

The problem with the Bucks is they don't have a 2nd guy that can get buckets and create his own shot. Khris isn't that guy, Hill is too old,  Divincenzo isn't that caliber of player, Bledsoe forgets every single year you are supposed to turn up the intensity not shut down

 

 

31 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

It is way too early to be drinking. You wouldn't take Giannis? What in the F cloud are you on? He is a different player than Ben, but that is a Skip level of hot take.

 

Dude puts in the work every single year and gets better every year. He keeps on this pace he will go down as a Top 20 player of all time. He had the best PER regular season before the break EVER

The problem with the Bucks is they don't have a 2nd guy that can get buckets and create his own shot. Khris isn't that guy, Hill is too old,  Divincenzo isn't that caliber of player, Bledsoe forgets every single year you are supposed to turn up the intensity not shut down

 

 

theres a bunch of excuses there just like theres been for Ben for years. Bottom line, they both cant get it done to get through the playoffs. Yes, Giannis at least shoots, but apparently not well enough to matter. People are beginning to write about this. Not even skip bayless. 

34 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

theres a bunch of excuses there just like theres been for Ben for years. Bottom line, they both cant get it done to get through the playoffs. Yes, Giannis at least shoots, but apparently not well enough to matter. People are beginning to write about this. Not even skip bayless. 

Okay man okay. Giannis is 25 and every year has shown to improve his shot to say you are turning down the best or 2nd player of his generation is Fing bananas 

 

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Okay man okay. Giannis is 25 and every year has shown to improve his shot to say you are turning down the best or 2nd player of his generation is Fing bananas 

 

The argument really should be if whether you could convince Giannis to re-sign here after the year. Frankly i think he and embiid would be a better fit then simmons. Simmons is a year younger than Giannis and nowhere near the development in his shot. Add on Giannis alongside a legit star like embiid could open up things for both even if Giannis isn’t a great shooter. He’s so far better than Ben it will make embiid‘s life somewhat easier. If that’s what it took to get Giannis I’m doing it. Sadly i think bucks likely take a different package or hope he signs the Supermax after 20-21 and risk losing him for nothing 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The argument really should be if whether you could convince Giannis to re-sign here after the year. Frankly i think he and embiid would be a better fit then simmons. Simmons is a year younger than Giannis and nowhere near the development in his shot. Add on Giannis alongside a legit star like embiid could open up things for both even if Giannis isn’t a great shooter. He’s so far better than Ben it will make embiid‘s life somewhat easier. If that’s what it took to get Giannis I’m doing it. Sadly i think bucks likely take a different package or hope he signs the Supermax after 20-21 and risk losing him for nothing 

It's not about whether he would fit or even staying. He is saying he wouldn't even want him on this team which is ridiculous. 

I personally think the Bucks panic and he gets traded. I bet to the Warriors or the Heat and the Mavs don't have enough pieces to entice the Bucks in a deal. 

 

7 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

It's not about whether he would fit or even staying. He is saying he wouldn't even want him on this team which is ridiculous. 

I personally think the Bucks panic and he gets traded. I bet to the Warriors or the Heat and the Mavs don't have enough pieces to entice the Bucks in a deal. 

 

what I mean is that I would hate to give all it would take to get Giannis, and this new realization that he is actually not good enough is true. And it may be. Risky player to trade for as we see his team getting eliminated year after year. He may be another AD. Not good enough to be the top dog. 

10 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

It's not about whether he would fit or even staying. He is saying he wouldn't even want him on this team which is ridiculous. 

I personally think the Bucks panic and he gets traded. I bet to the Warriors or the Heat and the Mavs don't have enough pieces to entice the Bucks in a deal. 

 

Yeah why i said the argument should be about whether he’s staying or a fit when talking about the trade. Not wanting him with the package i through out there is ridiculous. to me he’s better than Simmons, Richardson and thybulle and a 21 pick. Thybulle has had the same offensive issues since college. Richardson walks are the end of 2021and Simmons May never become Giannis. 

i tend to think they do that too. Frankly Simmons might be the best player they could get in any package who’s a legit star type of player. I doubt the heat trade for him. Why would you gut your roster to get Giannis when if you just wait it out then you could just sign him. I guess if you are afraid he gets traded somewhere and signs a long term extension. However if traded he can’t sign a super max unless he makes first team all nba after the upcoming season (likely) so any team dealing for him is unlikely to sign him until free agency starts in 2021 

as for the warriors i don’t think their package is all that great. No. 2 pick in this draft is not that great. It’s a weak draft. The Wolves 2021 pick is top 3 protected. So it loses value. Add on paschal would be nice pickup. But have to take back Wiggins awful contract is not good. Sixers might actually have the better package due to Simmons and Richardson being an expiring contract even with being young. And they could pawn off a bad contract on the sixers. 

If I am trading either I am making sure I get unprotected picks in 2022 because that is the next draft class that will be deep and special 

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

what I mean is that I would hate to give all it would take to get Giannis, and this new realization that he is actually not good enough is true. And it may be. Risky player to trade for as we see his team getting eliminated year after year. He may be another AD. Not good enough to be the top dog. 

AD had a miserable cast with him at the Pelicans. His wings thru out the years were E'Twan Moore, Solomon Hill, Tyreke Evans, Austin Rivers, Quincy Poindexter. They did him wrong his his crap team. 

Saying that I think in this era you need a great ball handler and/or guy that can get his shot whenever he wants to win rings. 

 

 

20 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

If I am trading either I am making sure I get unprotected picks in 2022 because that is the next draft class that will be deep and special 

That’s the problem with the warriors. Their 2022 picks are going to be late first cause they have everyone healthy. They are a top 5 team. Add on they are better hoping the wolves pick doesn’t cash out in 2021. it becomes an unprotected pick that makes it much. More valuable. However with how the west is there’s a good chance the wolves are a bottom 5 team in the west but the East has more bad teams more likely it conveys as 5-10 pick imo 

If it’s Wiggins, No. 2 overall and twolves pick vs. Simmons, Richardson, thybulle and 21. I’d probably go sixers Don’t like this year’s class. Could get screwed in 2021 class with a pick around 5-8  Add on the bucks can pawn off a bad contract in that deal to match salaries. Added bonus have Ben under contract for more years and can then also trade him down the road if you develop him right and cash in when he wants to leave. 

I am the ghost of Shai gilalexander Christmas past. Elton Brand if you trade picks from this year and maybe one future pick, and put Richardson, kork, zhaire, Alec Burks, and Glenn r also on the table, you will find your needle in a haystack. Another option would be to trade Ben Simmons and all of our second round picks to ensure we end up with both Tyrell Terry and Kira Lewis. In this scenario I would keep Josh and resign him. I would use the 21rst pick to pick a replacement for Ben. But we would need to end up with 3 rookies. Two being Kira and Tyrell. It bothers me that we lost out on a couple of really good players holding on to Ben. In either trade your FOCUS is to get Tyrell Terry and Kira Lewis. Your nightmare is over.

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

AD had a miserable cast with him at the Pelicans. His wings thru out the years were E'Twan Moore, Solomon Hill, Tyreke Evans, Austin Rivers, Quincy Poindexter. They did him wrong his his crap team. 

Saying that I think in this era you need a great ball handler and/or guy that can get his shot whenever he wants to win rings. 

 

 

but Giannis doesnt have a terrible supporting cast and still hasnt gotten it done as the alpha. 

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

but Giannis doesnt have a terrible supporting cast and still hasnt gotten it done as the alpha. 

I’d argue he doesn’t have anyone remotely as good as embiid on that team. I like middleton but he’s frankly in tobias harris tier but more consistent. And Bledsoe is a worse defending higher paid Richardson. I’d be willing to take the risk of embiid and Giannis for a year. Figure a way to deal horford for role guys.