16 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

 

Sure,those were our 2 top threats,why wouldn't he?

Whole WR squad of guys. Second round pick you’d really think most QBs would embrace. Like I said it kind of went down the line though. Reagor didn’t get targeted enough. Goedert has been underutilized. Ertz and Wentz were besties. So he forced the ball there plenty. Worked with him a bunch. Seemed like Wentz embraced Alshon when first coming here also. Probably because he already had that proven track record. But honestly 2020 felt like Wentz didn’t work on any receiver relations. Just did his own thing and had his first kid during COVID.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10003862-nfl-changes-rule-prohibiting-players-from-blocking-below-the-waist  Oh good more rules to pu**ify the game. Why not wrap them all in bubble wrap and be done with it

I'm good with not being able to block below the waste... be a man, engage up top.

23 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I'm good with not being able to block below the waste... be a man, engage up top.

Seems fine by me. I guess a RB can still block below the waist as long as it’s in the ‘Tackle Box’

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Whole WR squad of guys. Second round pick you’d really think most QBs would embrace. Like I said it kind of went down the line though. Reagor didn’t get targeted enough. Goedert has been underutilized. Ertz and Wentz were besties. So he forced the ball there plenty. Worked with him a bunch. Seemed like Wentz embraced Alshon when first coming here also. Probably because he already had that proven track record. But honestly 2020 felt like Wentz didn’t work on any receiver relations. Just did his own thing and had his first kid during COVID.

Right so you see this pattern? A round 2 and a round 1 selection who both did nothing? It's sad when Agholor was the best WR pick you have made in the last 7 years. I think it's astonishing that we give up the run game, yet can't get our WR's any stats.Very sad display IMO. So, if this lack of production was on Wentz, I'm happy he's out because we cannot cater to QB's by spending on FA's every year just to get "guys they like". Having a kid makes you work harder in most cases, so not buying that excuse. He didn't have it, his wife did.

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I'm good with not being able to block below the waste... be a man, engage up top.

Hurts the smaller players who ankle/shoe lace tackle(and those light, quick guys seem to be the new trend in many positions). We need those types on our team as well. Stops the smaller S aggression at the LOS. Just another way to pu**iefy the game because in some cases you are removing the reason some of these these guys are in the league and are successful

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Seems fine by me. I guess a RB can still block below the waist as long as it’s in the ‘Tackle Box’

Oh great many more "replays" because the tackle box is of course not measurable. More "opinions" by refs. They are turning a 60 minute game into a 120 minute game(cause they love a captive audience) All these rules as slowly destroying the game. Remember kick returns??? Pretty much non existent now, just slowly chipping away at why we love this game because someone needs to make up stupid rules to keep their job. KO returns used to be a great part of the game and some guys had careers doing them. Just more Pu**y rules. 

13 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Whole WR squad of guys. Second round pick you’d really think most QBs would embrace. Like I said it kind of went down the line though. Reagor didn’t get targeted enough. Goedert has been underutilized. Ertz and Wentz were besties. So he forced the ball there plenty. Worked with him a bunch. Seemed like Wentz embraced Alshon when first coming here also. Probably because he already had that proven track record. But honestly 2020 felt like Wentz didn’t work on any receiver relations. Just did his own thing and had his first kid during COVID.

6 games with Wentz throwing to Ertz before Ertz gets injured in 2020.

Wentz = 235 attempts

Ertz 45 targets.     

190 targets went to the other guys.  Break it down per game ... Wentz threw 39 times per game, 7.5 of them were to Ertz.  If you had the possession TE ... or the inexperienced practice squad guys of last year who were in and out of the lineup..  is throwing about 1/5th of your passes to Ertz that bad?   

You have 5 targets on the field on each play... 1/5th of them going to what is obviously your most experienced and accomplished player, seems ok to me. 

If you look at Fulgham ( who was the big story from the WR position last year).  He had his success and development under the first QB.    If we believe the media reports, which it seems just like politics that some of us only believe the ones that fit our preconceived narrative.... Doug and Wentz wanted Fulgham from the start.  Howie was the one holding him back from getting on the roster ASAP. 

To me, the clusterf#$k of the committee offensive consultants and the roster management that was a turnstile each game last year was the issue.   Injuries didn't help either.   

I'm not putting the ridiculous idea of "player development " on a coach or QB that was in our organization for the fiasco that was the Covid/ injury 2020.  This idea of pawning off responsibility from the people who select the wrong players and build the team incorrectly..  but need the coach and QB to make up for their mistakes is very irrational to me.   

Just seems like if Wentz threw JJAW like four  balls a game the guy wouldn’t look like a bust. He’s blocking his butt off to extend others playmaking to another level. Two catches out of four targets for 30 yards a game....gets the great blocking Wideout to 500 receiving yards in a season. I’ve never was approving of the pick...haven’t been much of a fan...but c’mon...the guy could/can probably do that much.

27 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just seems like if Wentz threw JJAW like four  balls a game the guy wouldn’t look like a bust. He’s blocking his butt off to extend others playmaking to another level. Two catches out of four targets for 30 yards a game....gets the great blocking Wideout to 500 receiving yards in a season. I’ve never was approving of the pick...haven’t been much of a fan...but c’mon...the guy could/can probably do that much.

Whatever Wentz did or didn't do doesn't matter now. Jjaw will still need to win a job and now he has competition, so no more excuses

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Whatever Wentz did or didn't do doesn't matter now. Jjaw will still need to win a job and now he has competition, so no more excuses

I'm with both you and Ham on this. Haven't been a fan of JJAW. But I would like to see him succeed. I don't ever want to see someone fail. Either way though if someone gets the best of him then so be it. Hopefully in this new system he will fit and maybe with the help of the HC, OC (not offensive center ) and WR coach he can find his craft. If at first you don't succeed, keep on suckin' till you do succeed. 

4 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

I'm with both you and Ham on this. Haven't been a fan of JJAW. But I would like to see him succeed. I don't ever want to see someone fail. Either way though if someone gets the best of him then so be it. Hopefully in this new system he will fit and maybe with the help of the HC, OC (not offensive center ) and WR coach he can find his craft. If at first you don't succeed, keep on suckin' till you do succeed. 

He's a high pick so yeah I think we all want him to succeed. Him being a flop does this team absolutely no good at all. It just seems at this point it is very unlikely that he's going to turn it around. 

7 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

if at first you don't succeed, keep on suckin' till you do succeed. 

If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you. I don't want to suck anymore Mr.Hoover

22 hours ago, joemas6 said:

6 games with Wentz throwing to Ertz before Ertz gets injured in 2020.

Wentz = 235 attempts

Ertz 45 targets.     

190 targets went to the other guys.  Break it down per game ... Wentz threw 39 times per game, 7.5 of them were to Ertz.  If you had the possession TE ... or the inexperienced practice squad guys of last year who were in and out of the lineup..  is throwing about 1/5th of your passes to Ertz that bad?   

You have 5 targets on the field on each play... 1/5th of them going to what is obviously your most experienced and accomplished player, seems ok to me. 

If you look at Fulgham ( who was the big story from the WR position last year).  He had his success and development under the first QB.    If we believe the media reports, which it seems just like politics that some of us only believe the ones that fit our preconceived narrative.... Doug and Wentz wanted Fulgham from the start.  Howie was the one holding him back from getting on the roster ASAP. 

To me, the clusterf#$k of the committee offensive consultants and the roster management that was a turnstile each game last year was the issue.   Injuries didn't help either.   

I'm not putting the ridiculous idea of "player development " on a coach or QB that was in our organization for the fiasco that was the Covid/ injury 2020.  This idea of pawning off responsibility from the people who select the wrong players and build the team incorrectly..  but need the coach and QB to make up for their mistakes is very irrational to me.   

  I agree for the most part. However, looking at Fulgham's stats, he had 57 targets the first 7 games. He looked like the real deal. Then he saw just 10 for the remainder of the season. How do you pin that on the FO? There was plenty of blame to go around and no one is innocent of it.....

12 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just seems like if Wentz threw JJAW like four  balls a game the guy wouldn’t look like a bust. He’s blocking his butt off to extend others playmaking to another level. Two catches out of four targets for 30 yards a game....gets the great blocking Wideout to 500 receiving yards in a season. I’ve never was approving of the pick...haven’t been much of a fan...but c’mon...the guy could/can probably do that much.

  JJaw had 0 targets from week 8 - 15, 8 total for the season (3 week 16)

2 hours ago, stine said:

How do you pin that on the FO? There was plenty of blame to go around and no one is innocent of it.....

Don’t think it was the FO read that Fulgham A. Wasn’t the hardest worker why he ended up in the dog house with Doug. B. Teams focused on him it’s one thing to beat the teams 2nd 3rd CBs another when your going up against there best. 
 

Think Fulgham might benefit the most from a guy like Smith commanding attention so he kinda the 2nd 3rd guy again.

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Don’t think it was the FO read that Fulgham A. Wasn’t the hardest worker why he ended up in the dog house with Doug. B. Teams focused on him it’s one thing to beat the teams 2nd 3rd CBs another when your going up against there best. 
 

Think Fulgham might benefit the most from a guy like Smith commanding attention so he kinda the 2nd 3rd guy again.

  I cannot comment how hard anyone works as I am not there. But it is the coaches job to teach and I think that was not being done with him or others for that matter... Did you read he was in the doghouse? I did not see anything on that...

6 minutes ago, stine said:

  I cannot comment how hard anyone works as I am not there. But it is the coaches job to teach and I think that was not being done with him or others for that matter... Did you read he was in the doghouse? I did not see anything on that...

I don't care what Wentz did,he's gone move on from who did what or who didn't do what. This is an entirely different team,new staff and frankly they cant be any worse than last year

6 minutes ago, stine said:

Did you read he was in the doghouse? I did not see anything on that...

It was during the season when his playing time got cut didn’t specifically say in the dog house but the article talked about his practice habits

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/philadelphia-eagles-travis-fulgham-alshon-jeffery-old-dominion-20201217.html?outputType=amp

 

17 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just seems like if Wentz threw JJAW like four  balls a game the guy wouldn’t look like a bust. He’s blocking his butt off to extend others playmaking to another level. Two catches out of four targets for 30 yards a game....gets the great blocking Wideout to 500 receiving yards in a season. I’ve never was approving of the pick...haven’t been much of a fan...but c’mon...the guy could/can probably do that much.

You gotta get open 4 times per game.  The idea for the QB is to win the game, not worry about stats for marginal players. 

OK, I was not aware of that. Thanks BG

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

You gotta get open 4 times per game.  The idea for the QB is to win the game, not worry about stats for marginal players. 

  Not worth discussing Wentz anymore. Just let it go.....

4 hours ago, stine said:

  I agree for the most part. However, looking at Fulgham's stats, he had 57 targets the first 7 games. He looked like the real deal. Then he saw just 10 for the remainder of the season. How do you pin that on the FO? There was plenty of blame to go around and no one is innocent of it.....

Because Alshon came off the injury ... and what was the whole theme about the FO making decisions on the roster...etc.    Either Doug or the front office decided to pit Alshon in there?   

The idea was already there that Alshon and Wentz were like oil and water... you just mentioned Fulgham's targets.  By using logic ...who do you think had the influence to play Alshon over Fulgham?    

Then once Hurts... one read and run played,WR targets were low.   Not really hard to figure out what stopped the momentum for Fulgham... or at least which of the 3 were least in his corner of the QB, coach or GM.

https://sportsdisruptors.com/why-jalen-hurts-has-high-dynasty-upside/   Pretty interesting. They say in here that he "takes care of the ball" which obviously we didn't see last year. WHY? 2 reasons for me,the ever shifting O line debacle and the fact he still needed to get used to the increased speed of the game in the NFL.SO if he can master that,I think we will see a marked improvement. He also has better weapons around and should have(in theory) some semblance of a running game. I'm still thinking 7 wins is the max for us,but I can also see a team that starts to solidify. If that happens next years draft will put us on the path to where we want to be. In checking the "no name" guys we have gotten in FA,I like that we are at least filling the holes with adequate BU's. Maybe a starter emerges from his group,but from what I have read,they will fit in a Siri offense and a gannon defense. Next year,if we aren't QB hunting,could be a fantastc draft for us

1 hour ago, stine said:

  Not worth discussing Wentz anymore. Just let it go.....

I thought the discussion was JJAW?

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Next year,if we aren't QB hunting,could be a fantastc draft for us

I'm already of thus mindset, I don't want to hunt the QB next year under any circumstances.  Huge opportunity to use a lot of quality picks to try to establish a young core.