25 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

2 hours ago, stine said:

  Not worth discussing Wentz anymore. Just let it go.....

I thought the discussion was JJAW?

 That's what I thought too. NOW……………the question is………who is more lost than I?

3 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

 That's what I thought too. NOW……………the question is………who is more lost than I?

ME! I have been lost for about a year now lol

Like I said earlier, I don't ever want to see a player fail. If Hurts lights it up I'd be happier than a pig in sh#t. 

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I'm already of thus mindset, I don't want to hunt the QB next year under any circumstances.  Huge opportunity to use a lot of quality picks to try to establish a young core.   

If Hurts sucks I see no other option unless you want to go back to paying out 35 million

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I thought the discussion was JJAW?

LOL no it mutated into the reason Jjaw sucked(which was Wentz according to some)

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I LOVE IT! Attitude setter. 

5 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

 That's what I thought too. NOW……………the question is………who is more lost than I?

 

41 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If Hurts sucks I see no other option unless you want to go back to paying out 35 million

I don't want to focus on QB next year.   Hurts gets 2 years regardless.  Big opportunity to build the team.  Do it, go for QB the year after.  

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I don't want to focus on QB next year.   Hurts gets 2 years regardless.  Big opportunity to build the team.  Do it, go for QB the year after.  

Won’t happen if Hurts sucks Eagles will get a QB though if Hurts sucks Eagles very well could be in position to get a QB without having to do much. 

On 5/27/2021 at 8:10 PM, EaglesTD123 said:

I'm with both you and Ham on this. Haven't been a fan of JJAW. But I would like to see him succeed. I don't ever want to see someone fail. Either way though if someone gets the best of him then so be it. Hopefully in this new system he will fit and maybe with the help of the HC, OC (not offensive center ) and WR coach he can find his craft. If at first you don't succeed, keep on suckin' till you do succeed. 

JJaw just looks lost on EVERY play. He acts like the NFL is too big for him. Sure we want him to succeed, but don’t hold onto him if someone is better.

But will say Eagles are in an interesting spot in regards to QB got Hurts the 2nd rounder he will be given his chance. Then we have Newman who was at one point being looked at as a 1st rounder before opting out last year. Can’t really say what Newman is going off only what he did in 2019 

A look at early fantasy projections.

Eagles 2021 post-NFL Draft fantasy football player rankings, stat projections | PhillyVoice

Hurts is a consensus top 12 qb. Two projections both have him throwing for around 3,700 yards, running for 700, with 27 TDs and 15 INTs. I think there are low for a 17 game season, but are a good baseline for success. If he puts up these numbers, it would be disappointing. More TDs and fewer interceptions. and we might have something. Frankly I would be shocked if he doesn't run for 10 TDs and throw for 25 more. Turnovers are a much bigger concern, namely fumbles. But he was better against WFT in the last game. His only turnover was an INT that was squarely in Ertz. He didn't fumble despite WFT hounding him all day. It was a nice bounce back from the Dallas game.  

Goedert is projected to be top 10, and Sanders top 15. Smith is in the 40s and Reagor in the 50s.  

33 minutes ago, Senhorcook said:

JJaw just looks lost on EVERY play. He acts like the NFL is too big for him. Sure we want him to succeed, but don’t hold onto him if someone is better.

He was good against the WFT in the last game. His route running is much improved from last year and he has decent hands.

This is him  in the last game of the season.

JJ Arcega-Whiteside vs Washington 2020 - YouTube

And this is him a year earlier.

J.J. Arcega Whiteside vs Washington week 15 - YouTube

It's easy to see that he's really improved. A change in scheme should help him a lot. In the first video, he was getting wide open in the slot and couldn't do that same thing from the X. At the 2:45 and 5 minute marks, he runs the exact same routes, and makes one catch and has one drop, but in each case he doesn't create separation and it's a tough throw for the qb. I watched most of his snaps from this game, and he was targeted four times, with two catches, a drop and a PI penalty on the defense. Three of his targets came when he was in the X and only one in the slot, which is a huge part of the problem. He just isn't a great option outside.

The biggest issue is whether he offers anything that Fulgham, Ward or basically anyone else doesn't. His best trait is his blocking, but is that enough to justify him getting snaps? He gets open in the slot, but so does Fulgham and Ward. Do we keep him over Hightower, who is much better at getting open deep?

Ultimately, I don't think it matters too much. Reagor and Smith are the top two guys. The number 3 spot isn't crucial, and at worst you have Ward catching everything in sight and making clutch catches on third down and in the red zone. But JJAW has gotten better. So maybe he grabs the #3 spot this year. Certainly no one owns it at this point. And if he can turn into a bigger version of Greg Ward, that would be ideal. But ultimately it would be better for the team if Watkins or Hightower won the job, since they have the home run ability that JJAW and Ward don't.

12 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Won’t happen if Hurts sucks Eagles will get a QB though if Hurts sucks Eagles very well could be in position to get a QB without having to do much. 

I don't think he will suck.   The running will keep him and the team results close enough in the middle.   His age, the fact that the skill position players are all similar... I don't think they look to change that after one year.   So many opportunities to get other positions, not sure that will be there again for a while.  Perfect time to invest in other things.  A top DL, top CB, trade a pick for a young star, trade down for a few 2nd rounders.   

I agree the QB is a necessity,  just have seen teams stay bad for a while by making too many investments in that spot. 

28 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

don't think they look to change that after one year.

I do to many reports of us looking at other QBs to be false hurts is playing for a job. Middling results won’t keep him a job it’s perform which is fine. 

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I do to many reports of us looking at other QBs to be false hurts is playing for a job. Middling results won’t keep him a job it’s perform which is fine. 

I think Howie and Lurie like to be in the news.   I think middling performance this year for a QB his age and experience is pretty realistic.   The 47 other holes on the roster need to be addressed.  The big thing,  for 2021 a lot of these could be... the issue is how many of these guys will start to get too old, how many will stick around if they can go to free agency...etc.  

This is why I want to focus on building the team... get guys in here that we know will be here for 5 years if they are a 1st round pick.  You can build from that..  right now our foundation isn't there because too many unknowns of who will be back next year. 

39 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I don't think he will suck.   The running will keep him and the team results close enough in the middle.   His age, the fact that the skill position players are all similar... I don't think they look to change that after one year.   So many opportunities to get other positions, not sure that will be there again for a while.  Perfect time to invest in other things.  A top DL, top CB, trade a pick for a young star, trade down for a few 2nd rounders.   

I agree the QB is a necessity,  just have seen teams stay bad for a while by making too many investments in that spot. 

If Hurts can muster "middle of the road" you could be right if we feel he still has alot more upside. Still, I could see us drafting another round 2 QB next year. I would continue to add to the QB room. Above average QB's are easy trade bait(aka QB factory),but if the op is there to grab the next Lawrence, I think Howie pulls that trigger. 

Even if Hurts is ok, I take another round 2 QB.That relieves me from having to pay out any money for a "vet presence" Although Flacco didn't cost much,why spend the money if you don't need to. By then we will also have some better views about Newman. So a round 1 or 2 works for me next year. We did a decent job hole filling with BU's, but next years draft will produce some immediate starters

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Even if Hurts is ok, I take another round 2 QB.That relieves me from having to pay out any money for a "vet presence" Although Flacco didn't cost much,why spend the money if you don't need to. By then we will also have some better views about Newman. So a round 1 or 2 works for me next year. We did a decent job hole filling with BU's, but next years draft will produce some immediate starters

If we have 3 first round picks next year... I don't want to use any on QB.  Whatever happens after that, go ahead get your QB.   The team's long term situation is not good... age and not having players under contract is an issue.  Gotta stabilize that.

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think Howie and Lurie like to be in the news.   I think middling performance this year for a QB his age and experience is pretty realistic.   The 47 other holes on the roster need to be addressed.  The big thing,  for 2021 a lot of these could be... the issue is how many of these guys will start to get too old, how many will stick around if they can go to free agency...etc.  

This is why I want to focus on building the team... get guys in here that we know will be here for 5 years if they are a 1st round pick.  You can build from that..  right now our foundation isn't there because too many unknowns of who will be back next year. 

Not sure we have 47 holes now. The RB room looks alot better. Smith should ball out immediately, Reagor needs to step up his game NOW. We have in theory our next decade long C and some O line that are promising. Still need D work as we always do. First priority is keeping these guys on the field or once again you won;t know what you have

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Not sure we have 47 holes now. The RB room looks alot better. Smith should ball out immediately, Reagor needs to step up his game NOW. We have in theory our next decade long C and some O line that are promising. Still need D work as we always do. First priority is keeping these guys on the field or once again you won;t know what you have

Fast forward a year from now... age and contracts will change this.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

If we have 3 first round picks next year... I don't want to use any on QB.  Whatever happens after that, go ahead get your QB.   The team's long term situation is not good... age and not having players under contract is an issue.  Gotta stabilize that.

Agree,but I would take a round 2 QB unless of course we are gifted one in round 1. Having Hurts,your new round 2 pick and Newman still gives you a few years before you have to shell out loot. By then we should have the team re-built

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Fast forward a year from now... age and contracts will change this.

Dickerson should take over for Kelce, Smith keeps us from needing more PAID FA WR's. Reagor needs to step it up. I'm hoping some of those later picks we got that 1/2 can step into starting roles. I am still concerned with our secondary and LB group,but that never changes. Lane/Cox will start coming into play soon,but overall I think Howie did a decent job,although I personally wanted a higher pick CB. Just keep those rook pipelines open and we will be fine

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Dickerson should take over for Kelce, Smith keeps us from needing more PAID FA WR's. Reagor needs to step it up. I'm hoping some of those later picks we got that 1/2 can step into starting roles. I am still concerned with our secondary and LB group,but that never changes. Lane/Cox will start coming to play soon,but overall I think Howie did a decent job,although I personally wanted a higher pick CB. Just keep those rook pipelines open and we will be fine

We'll talk in a year.  I don't think you are getting what I'm saying.   One year stop gaps, players on contract years...etc.