Maybe Dickerson ends up at C and Kelce slides over to G??? Lots of possibilities

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Maybe Dickerson ends up at C and Kelce slides over to G??? Lots of possibilities

I'll bet a case of any beer of your choice that's not happening.

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2022/consensus-big-board-2022   Here is the WAY early ranking for the next draft. Not se tin stone,but you can see the positions available in round 1

6 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I'll bet a case of any beer of your choice that's not happening.

If Kelce wants to "ease off" and play longer(aka extend his career) why not? I didn't day it WOULD happen, I said it's a possiblility. Remember when there was "NO WAY" Peters would play at G?

7 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I'll bet a case of any beer of your choice that's not happening.

Not this year no, 2022? Can't say

51 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2022/consensus-big-board-2022   Here is the WAY early ranking for the next draft. Not se tin stone,but you can see the positions available in round 1

Anyway you can see the 3 round 1 picks they "think" we'll take

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If Hurts plays ok, then you gotta look at grabbing Cox's and Lane's replacements in the next draft,that would set you up for your "championship" year,although I hope Dickerson is at C by then

Because he was drafted as a C? I'm fine if you want him to do that THIS year. if you don't move him to C why did you draft him? How long you gonna wait while Kelce "considers retirement" like he does every year for the last 5? IMO this is Kelce's last year(as an Eagle anyhow). I can't wait until 2 weeks before the start of a season for Kelce to say "yeah I'm out". Of course Dickerson needs to show us he can stay on the field and I'm ok with him playing G some this year to keep the parts from rusting lol

Kelce coming back this season meant he’s at least playing two more years. You aren’t coming back just for the 2021 team. Crappy rebuild. So I’d have Dickerson play G and be the backup at C.

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Kelce coming back this season meant he’s at least playing two more years. You aren’t coming back just for the 2021 team. Crappy rebuild. So I’d have Dickerson play G and be the backup at C.

yes THIS year. As I said I'm am fine with that. You have no clue when he will retire. NOT counting on Kelce for the '22 season. He's been "retiring" for 5 years. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/jason-kelce-7910/           So why then did he sign a ONE year deal????? At some point the cap hit is going to become an issue. Why shell out 9 million bucks next year, when you have a round 2 rook on your roster at rook pay?

35 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

yes THIS year. As I said I'm am fine with that. You have no clue when he will retire. NOT counting on Kelce for the '22 season. He's been "retiring" for 5 years. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/jason-kelce-7910/           So why then did he sign a ONE year deal????? At some point the cap hit is going to become an issue. Why shell out 9 million bucks next year, when you have a round 2 rook on your roster at rook pay?

Graham and Kelce were both given raises in order for the team to redo the deals and get the cap hit for 2021 lowered.   

You don't see players their age that are under contract get raises too often. I'm sure it was great for them to unexpectedly get that.   It's a nice thank you for your service gesture.   So I'm sure their enthusiasm at the moment is there. Both are class guys that have bled green for over a decade.

However,  the reality was the Eagles needed to get under the cap, these 2 could easily be done as Eagles after this year, and it still makes sense on both sides contract/ cap wise.  I wouldn’t assume anything at this point either way.

20 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Graham and Kelce were both given raises in order for the team to redo the deals and get the cap hit for 2021 lowered.   

You don't see players their age that are under contract get raises too often. I'm sure it was great for them to unexpectedly get that.   It's a nice thank you for your service gesture.   So I'm sure their enthusiasm at the moment is there. Both are class guys that have bled green for over a decade.

However,  the reality was the Eagles needed to get under the cap, these 2 could easily be done as Eagles after this year, and it still makes sense on both sides contract/ cap wise.  I wouldn’t assume anything at this point either way.

Agreed, not assuming anything. We need to see if Dickerson can stay on the field all year, even as BU/rotational piece, we would still have the option of re-signing Kelce. Graham IDK if we'd do it. Can't turn our offensive anchor over to just anyone at C

BTW we would have plenty of loot to re-sign them, but my thoughts are we are re-building, so let's rebuild

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Graham and Kelce were both given raises in order for the team to redo the deals and get the cap hit for 2021 lowered.   

This isn't true. Graham was due to earn $17 million this year. There was a dead cap hit of $16 million, so the team would have saved $1 million by cutting him.

So the choice was either pay him the $17 million or cut him to save $1 million.

His new deal is basically three years at $40 million, or $13 million a year. So he effectively took a pay cut for the chance to play a few more years. And $13 million is a bargain for a pro bowl DE. It's the 21st ranked contract. The team saved $9 million in cap space.

Kelce signed a similar deal, though the terms were different. He is basically playing on a two year, $20 million contract, so his salary is effectively $10 million, which is a little more than his projected cap number for this year without the restructure ($8 million), but less than it would have been to cut him ($12 million in dead cap with no savings.) So they got cap relief, plus a pledge from Kelce to play at least two more years.

They saved about three million in cap space in his deal. You could call it a pay raise from $8 million to $10 million, but it was really a decrease because he was owed a total of $12 million this year had they done nothing.

https://www.nj.com/eagles/2021/05/why-philly-legend-dick-vermeil-sees-double-digit-wins-for-eagles-in-2021.html    They are more optimistic than I am

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This isn't true. Graham was due to earn $17 million this year. There was a dead cap hit of $16 million, so the team would have saved $1 million by cutting him.

So the choice was either pay him the $17 million or cut him to save $1 million.

His new deal is basically three years at $40 million, or $13 million a year. So he effectively took a pay cut for the chance to play a few more years. And $13 million is a bargain for a pro bowl DE. It's the 21st ranked contract. The team saved $9 million in cap space.

Kelce signed a similar deal, though the terms were different. He is basically playing on a two year, $20 million contract, so his salary is effectively $10 million, which is a little more than his projected cap number for this year without the restructure ($8 million), but less than it would have been to cut him ($12 million in dead cap with no savings.) So they got cap relief, plus a pledge from Kelce to play at least two more years.

They saved about three million in cap space in his deal. You could call it a pay raise from $8 million to $10 million, but it was really a decrease because he was owed a total of $12 million this year had they done nothing.

Welp then that lands Dickerson as a G then for 2 years or there would be no sense drafting him that high as a C.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Welp then that lands Dickerson as a G then for 2 years or there would be no sense drafting him that high as a C.

My guess is that he will take over from Brooks next year. The team can save $13 million if they trade or cut him after June 1, and $20 million is a lot to pay a guard.

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Welp then that lands Dickerson as a G then for 2 years or there would be no sense drafting him that high as a C.

Exactly. He’s a monster. Dude will be a good G

I believe Dickerson can be great at either G spot and C.

18 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This isn't true. Graham was due to earn $17 million this year. There was a dead cap hit of $16 million, so the team would have saved $1 million by cutting him.

So the choice was either pay him the $17 million or cut him to save $1 million.

His new deal is basically three years at $40 million, or $13 million a year. So he effectively took a pay cut for the chance to play a few more years. And $13 million is a bargain for a pro bowl DE. It's the 21st ranked contract. The team saved $9 million in cap space.

Kelce signed a similar deal, though the terms were different. He is basically playing on a two year, $20 million contract, so his salary is effectively $10 million, which is a little more than his projected cap number for this year without the restructure ($8 million), but less than it would have been to cut him ($12 million in dead cap with no savings.) So they got cap relief, plus a pledge from Kelce to play at least two more years.

They saved about three million in cap space in his deal. You could call it a pay raise from $8 million to $10 million, but it was really a decrease because he was owed a total of $12 million this year had they done nothing.

So how much money was given to Graham up front?  How much guaranteed.  Are either of these more than what his 2021 salary would have been?  If so...he got a raise. 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

So how much money was given to Graham up front?  How much guaranteed.  Are either of these more than what his 2021 salary would have been?  If so...he got a raise. 

I don't understand what you are saying. He was due to make $17 million for one year. Instead he is making $13 million for three years. That is a decrease in pay.

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I don't understand what you are saying. He was due to make $17 million for one year. Instead he is making $13 million for three years. That is a decrease in pay.

He could have gotten cut for zero.  He got guaranteed money.  That is a pay raise.

Also..a signing bonus puts money in your pocket ASAP, instead of getting 1/18 of your pay starting in September.   

Graham made out here... in reality.  The original $17  mil 2021 salary # wasn't going to happen.  Otherwise his agent is an idiot if he took a pay cut.

But I forgot... it's the Eagles..  players just want to play here, they will take pay cuts to do so.  

7 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I don't understand what you are saying. He was due to make $17 million for one year. Instead he is making $13 million for three years. That is a decrease in pay.

He's not playing 3 years.  The contract is set up for him to be a June 1st cut in 2023... if he lasts that long.  

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

He could have gotten cut for zero.  He got guaranteed money.  That is a pay raise.

No it's not. You keep saying it is, but when you go from $17 million to $13 million, that is not a raise. 

Also..a signing bonus puts money in your pocket ASAP, instead of getting 1/18 of your pay starting in September.

True. But $13 million is still less than $17 million.   

Graham made out here... in reality.  The original $17  mil 2021 salary # wasn't going to happen.  Otherwise his agent is an idiot if he took a pay cut.

No, he signed a fair deal. It allows him to play his whole career here while getting paid a fair amount. $13 million for a pro bowl DE is a decent contract for both the team and an aging vet.

But I forgot... it's the Eagles..  players just want to play here, they will take pay cuts to do so.

They negotiated a deal that was fair to both sides. Give them credit for once instead of trying to crap over everything they do. Also, you were wrong, so just admit it and move on.  

 

32 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

 

Again... the $17 mil was not going to happen.   That means he had no guarantee.  He didn't take a pay cut... the guarantee was zero.  The contract put money in his pocket.  He takes it guaranteed now.   He can play here next year... or he can be traded if that's what happens.   In both cases both sides make out.  

Think about it... who is going to take a $4 mil pay cut?  On the last contract?  Why would someone do that?   

1. A player might take a pay cut to play for a team that can win a title.   Do you honestly see that here?  Honestly,  not from the 7 year old fan point of view. 

2.  His legacy and desire is to play his whole career here, and it's worth $4 mil to do it?  Possible, do you think he simply gave up $4 mil for that?   Taking $4 mil away from his family?   

Should be obvious, he took the guaranteed money. The up front money.  The flexibility of getting traded if it makes sense at some point.   It's great business.  For both sides. Both make out better than before, one with cap space that was needed immediately and the other with guaranteed money. 

55 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

 

On the open market this year... this year's cap space....   if Graham was cut by the Eagles , how much do you think he would have signed for?  

Don't you think part of the negotiation was..." we need cap space,  we can save a little if we cut you, but instead of doing that and you have to go on the open market in this particular offseason climate.  How about we give you this amount guaranteed.  It puts you in position to make more than the paper # of $17 mil if you stay with us for 2 years, and we can trade you if we both agree.  If we cut you, you can negotiate with your new team,  but this way you get guaranteed money... in turn we get more cap space.   If all works out and you want to play here on 2023, you still get almost $10 mil. "

The agent thinks about this.  The player is settled. He gets guaranteed money.  He gets flexibility and the opportunity to make decent money if he continues to want to play in Philly. 

You can bet the " we can't pay you $17 million was the start of the conversation" and you can bet the agent already knew this.  

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I believe Dickerson can be great at either G spot and C.

I think he will turn out to be the best pick of the draft.