4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So everyone here knows I’m not super sold on this coaching staff as the top notch answer. Kind of think Rosie and Lurie might actually be with me..,actually ahead of me on this mindset. Basically I actually think this is their plan: Retained Stout to continue the Oline development. Brought Siri in to develop receiving. Most instantly jump to WR. But receiving goes to all skill positions. RB and TE also. So develop those areas with the young talent on offense. On defense we brought in the DB specialist. Maybe could classify him on the coverage side of development. That could include hybrid types and assist with the LB coverage. Got the solid vet presence in the Dline room to lead that youth. So our whole situation is a temporary youth development program. Going to stress fundamentals and that level of football. Get a team ready to bring in the staff that can contend.

You are thinking too much LOL. Ped stunk up the place because he was constantly overruled by the "twins",so they hired another scapegoat. It's really as simple as that

31 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You are thinking too much LOL. Ped stunk up the place because he was constantly overruled by the "twins",so they hired another scapegoat. It's really as simple as that

I was kind of thinking a really top notch coach wouldn’t choose to be in the train wreck that this team finished as this past season. So take a chance on some young guys. But specific low sections of the team need improving. So if they can at least improve those areas we are off to a fast start on the rebuild. Make the weaknesses the strengths type thing.

9 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Playing with a SUCK team doesn't do alot for your outlook/attitude. I think we are better than the Jets on the Oline,so he would do better here than there

What about Bell with Pittsburgh?  That's what I was thinking.   

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I was kind of thinking a really top notch coach wouldn’t choose to be in the train wreck that this team finished as this past season. So take a chance on some young guys. But specific low sections of the team need improving. So if they can at least improve those areas we are off to a fast start on the rebuild. Make the weaknesses the strengths type thing.

Dude... you've been here the whole time... Siri is (the 5th) exact same type of coach Lurie always hires.   1st time head coach...  someone nobody expects.     It's clockwork.

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Dude... you've been here the whole time... Siri is (the 5th) exact same type of coach Lurie always hires.   1st time head coach...  someone nobody expects.     It's clockwork.

Rhodes, Reid, Kelly, Pederson, and Siri. Hmmm……        You think the dynamic duo likes these 1st time types cause it's a little easier to rule them than it would be a guy that's an experienced HC? That's my hunch. 

2 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

Rhodes, Reid, Kelly, Pederson, and Siri. Hmmm……        You think the dynamic duo likes these 1st time types cause it's a little easier to rule them than it would be a guy that's an experienced HC? That's my hunch. 

LOL, I wonder if Lurie gives coach a ★ if he does a good job for the day. 

24 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

Rhodes, Reid, Kelly, Pederson, and Siri. Hmmm……        You think the dynamic duo likes these 1st time types cause it's a little easier to rule them than it would be a guy that's an experienced HC? That's my hunch. 

I think Chipper might have scared them a little. He was going to be the Alpha and the smartest guy in the room every time.

I do think the Siri hire was also to try and retain Wentz. Seemed like everybody knew Wentz at that point wanted to be with Reich. So that was as close as they could get.

Ditto Ham

But also felt like they missed out on their top guy each time. Had to go with the inexperienced guy because he least he had upside. Kind of like drafting Taylor in the third last year. That’s their mentality. Not necessarily terrible. But the top guys haven’t been really looking to come here. Many of them have turned out overrated anyway. 

Kind of think the league has the word on how difficult Rosie is. There’s the good and the bad. Kind of a laughing stock.....but also knows he has the power to make whatever moves. Not exactly known for raping people on trade deals. So teams aren’t real scared of working with him. Don’t think he is always pulling one over on them. But not sure many are willing to come work under him.

I think Lurie did help this franchise. The AR days built credibility. He  stuck with his coach for years. So it seemed like a stable environment. Like I’d say the Steelers job is probably the most coveted job. Really been well run the whole time. Coaches don’t just get fired over little things. 

1 hour ago, EaglesTD123 said:

Rhodes, Reid, Kelly, Pederson, and Siri. Hmmm……        You think the dynamic duo likes these 1st time types cause it's a little easier to rule them than it would be a guy that's an experienced HC? That's my hunch. 

Nope....

1.  I think they like to be smartest guy in the room.

2.  They take pride in discovering people... regardless if they win for other organizations.  

3.  This one I do like... I think they want to avoid someone who already failed.  

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I do think the Siri hire was also to try and retain Wentz. Seemed like everybody knew Wentz at that point wanted to be with Reich. So that was as close as they could get.

Nope.  But it fits your narrative for your movie.  

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think Lurie did help this franchise. The AR days built credibility. He  stuck with his coach for years. So it seemed like a stable environment. Like I’d say the Steelers job is probably the most coveted job. Really been well run the whole time. Coaches don’t just get fired over little things. 

I think what you are seeing with all the information coming out and how the last few years have played out.   Lurie is the guy pulling the strings.  The offensive coordinator by committee.   That's all Lurie ( collaboration) etc.  Howie is here because he does what Lurie wants.  

But,  we shall see... at this point now that it's going to have to be rebuilt totally... let's see what they do.  

12 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Nope....

1.  I think they like to be smartest guy in the room.

2.  They take pride in discovering people... regardless if they win for other organizations.  

3.  This one I do like... I think they want to avoid someone who already failed.  

Very likely story Joe. Not really sure. Just inquisitive. "Inquiring minds want to know" lol

12 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Nope.  But it fits your narrative for your movie.  

Bunch of sarcastic SOB's on this board. I'VE HAD IT! LMAO

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Nope.  But it fits your narrative for your movie.  

So you believe it was just all coincidence? Our Feanchise QB is disgruntled and everybody seems to believe he will go play for Reich. So we hire is understudy to try and retain him. The narrative proves true as he goes to Reich. Or we just really thought Siri was the best option?

That’s a ton of coincidence at the least

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I think what you are seeing with all the information coming out and how the last few years have played out.   Lurie is the guy pulling the strings.  The offensive coordinator by committee.   That's all Lurie ( collaboration) etc.  Howie is here because he does what Lurie wants.  

But,  we shall see... at this point now that it's going to have to be rebuilt totally... let's see what they do.  

Yes I think Lurie has been very hands on. Probably trusting Rosie a fair amount to where they bounce ideas off each other and come up with a plan. Obviously if Lurie wants or doesn’t want he gets.

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I do think the Siri hire was also to try and retain Wentz. Seemed like everybody knew Wentz at that point wanted to be with Reich. So that was as close as they could get.

IMO, totally unrelated

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So you believe it was just all coincidence? Our Feanchise QB is disgruntled and everybody seems to believe he will go play for Reich. So we hire is understudy to try and retain him. The narrative proves true as he goes to Reich. Or we just really thought Siri was the best option?

That’s a ton of coincidence at the least

Wentz was disgruntled when we drafted Hurts, add to that the injuries and lack of proper weapons,along with Wentz' crap performance, that was WAY before Ped's job was in danger,so I'm shooting holes in your scenario. If we went 10-6 last year do you think Wentz and Ped would still be here? I do. so as the "excuses"(I say this not because they are excuses,it was lack of planning and assembling a team after 2017) it's easy for the owners to say "oh they messed up and I am firing them" .Remember, the top dog is never to blame(even if they are) 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yes I think Lurie has been very hands on. Probably trusting Rosie a fair amount to where they bounce ideas off each other and come up with a plan. Obviously if Lurie wants or doesn’t want he gets.

IMO there is no plan because face it NEITHER of the "twins" are football guys.The coaches they hire are expected to come in with the plan. I think Lurie and Howie only(or basically) worry about the draft plan. The problems arise when they intervene in the game day playing, trying to be the football guys they are NOT and overriding the very guys they hired to be football guys. Why I said before,if they are gonna do that,just make Howie the HC and be done with it. 

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So you believe it was just all coincidence? Our Feanchise QB is disgruntled and everybody seems to believe he will go play for Reich. So we hire is understudy to try and retain him. The narrative proves true as he goes to Reich. Or we just really thought Siri was the best option?

That’s a ton of coincidence at the least

Ham,

Here is your sell.   Tell me if you would be sold on this.   You have a favorite coach... you could play for him.   The team he coaches is better.   The city where he coaches in fits more of your cultural background.   The city where he coaches in is closer to your family.     

But... you can get his assistant ... keep playing for the worse team.  And you have been on the inside with all the dysfunctional organizational stuff.   Plus look at points you already made with your own concerns... Siri isn't proven at all, never even called plays.   Siri vs Reich.... is it close?      I don't see it.

As for Lurie, your team sucks... you have this QB you drafted, you can save cap space, and you can get assets in a trade.    If your team isn't going to be good, why would you want to keep the QB.

To be honest, if I had to guess.... the day after the Green Bay game, there was contact between someone and Wentz' agent, basically letting him know, we would love to have him here in Indy.   Is it illegal.... not if the agent has a player already on the team and the call is about that player and through passing they bring up Wentz.   How are you going to prove anything, this stuff happens all the time behind the scenes.    By the time the season finished, I absolutely think Wentz and Lurie knew he was done.  Howie and Doug maybe, maybe not.   But looking at Hurts... Doug would be the last guy you want coaching a running QB.   Besides all the issues with the staff ...etc.   Doug was way worse for Hurts than he was for Wentz as far as play-calling and game plans....etc.  It's not his style of offense.       Siri has experience with Brissett... the running type QB.   Much better fit.  He hires the QB coach that knows Hurts...etc.   

But yeah, Siri was to try to keep Wentz?????      Other than the fact Reich liked him, there is way more pointing it in the direction of Hurts.   and that's a brutal sell.... " hey you can go date your wife's best friend and go to McDonalds.... or you can go eat with your wife at a nice restaurant.   Is the choice hard?     

 

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Wentz was disgruntled when we drafted Hurts, add to that the injuries and lack of proper weapons,along with Wentz' crap performance, that was WAY before Ped's job was in danger,so I'm shooting holes in your scenario. If we went 10-6 last year do you think Wentz and Ped would still be here? I do. so as the "excuses"(I say this not because they are excuses,it was lack of planning and assembling a team after 2017) it's easy for the owners to say "oh they messed up and I am firing them" .Remember, the top dog is never to blame(even if they are) 

If we went 10-6.... Wentz would still be here..... Doug I am not so sure.   Reason I say that is that he may have wanted out if the front office still made him want to pick the coaches they wanted.  I don't think this committee of offensive consultants was going to happen past 2020.  so the issue would have come up either way IMO.  They said, and I absolutely believe it to be true.... that Doug was not fired for the results of 2020.   The reason I believe it is because he would have been fired right away.   I think the the structure and the specific people within the staff were the issues with Doug.    

As for Wentz's issues.   1.  the team around him sucked.      2.  He saw how Doug was forced to go with that offensive consultant group ... how that effected the offense.   3.  Things kept getting worse, game plans, play calling, his play, injuries...etc.   That's enough to lose faith in everything around you.    Plus I do agree... the new guys who have zero clout for me... gravitated towards Hurts, they don't know any better at that point.    But everyone got what they wanted with Wentz and Doug leaving.   Lets see who was right. 

Lets see if "  it was best for everybody"   that for once its actually better for the Eagles than it is for the other guys?   Was best for Harbaugh to leave... was best for Andy etc.    everyone thinks is best for Wentz... but that's all great.   when is it better for the Eagles.   To me, this is all on Lurie/Howie.  This is their exact team they want and are looking to build.  If the next few years goes in the crapper, it's all on them.... then the " it's best for everyone"   is a bunch of crap.      

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

If we went 10-6.... Wentz would still be here..... Doug I am not so sure.   Reason I say that is that he may have wanted out if the front office still made him want to pick the coaches they wanted.  I don't think this committee of offensive consultants was going to happen past 2020.  so the issue would have come up either way IMO.  They said, and I absolutely believe it to be true.... that Doug was not fired for the results of 2020.   The reason I believe it is because he would have been fired right away.   I think the the structure and the specific people within the staff were the issues with Doug.    

As for Wentz's issues.   1.  the team around him sucked.      2.  He saw how Doug was forced to go with that offensive consultant group ... how that effected the offense.   3.  Things kept getting worse, game plans, play calling, his play, injuries...etc.   That's enough to lose faith in everything around you.    Plus I do agree... the new guys who have zero clout for me... gravitated towards Hurts, they don't know any better at that point.    But everyone got what they wanted with Wentz and Doug leaving.   Lets see who was right. 

Lets see if "  it was best for everybody"   that for once its actually better for the Eagles than it is for the other guys?   Was best for Harbaugh to leave... was best for Andy etc.    everyone thinks is best for Wentz... but that's all great.   when is it better for the Eagles.   To me, this is all on Lurie/Howie.  This is their exact team they want and are looking to build.  If the next few years goes in the crapper, it's all on them.... then the " it's best for everyone"   is a bunch of crap.      

When teams lose someone, they always say "best for everyone" or "we wish him the best". They don't really care but it sounds nice,like when you say "if you need anything let me know" when you hope they don't take you up on your offer