4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

To whom?

One of those teams Ham mentioned will sign him after he is released.  

Eagles in talks with Geodart for an extension... This is a toughie for me on one side Eagles could get Geodart for a steal paying him early but on the flip if he does play to that level we over paid and are stuck with him. Personally think Geodart is going to be a stud as the full time starter but he has had some injury issues. 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

One of those teams Ham mentioned will sign him after he is released.  

Will we release Ertz??? I mean if we refuse to trade him for cheap able to get something at least why would we just flat out cut him??? 

Seem that we didn’t give Jamie Newman any guaranteed money but shocking would think he got some better offers as a UDFA... Though not sure many situations out there give Newman a better chance to make the team and stick around. 

9 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We’ve been big on using twelve personnel. Two TEs. But we didn’t run power so much.

Not shocking when we only ever carried one blocking TE... Whether it was Celek paired with Ertz and Burton or Geodart paired with Ertz and Rodgers(some other guys who I don’t remember).

Would have been interesting to have seen what we could have done with Ertz/Celek/Geodart... Celek/Geodart would have paved some holes on the edges and Ertz was still a dangerous receiving threat. 

Geodart and Stoll could possibly give us those two TEs that can block be huge for the ground game 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Geodart and Stoll could possibly give us those two TEs that can block be huge for the ground game 

JJAW and Fulgham both have the size and ability to be plus blockers from the H Back position, which is pretty much the same role that the TE2 plays. Over the past two years we have used H backs who were decidedly average as either pass catchers or blockers (Ertz, Richard Rodgers, Josh Perkins) but JJAW in particular is probably the best combination of blocker and receiver we have had, if they decide to go that route.

If our base offense is Reagor, Fulgham, Smith and Goedert, then our heavy package could be Goedert, Fulgham, JJAW and Smith. (Smith would essentially be replacing Greg Ward as the "can get open and get us three yards when we need three yards" receiver.)

It would force teams to make a decision on whether to counter with a heavy package of their own, and risk getting a LB matched up against Fulgham or JJAW, or keeping five DBs in the game, which gives us an advantage if we run it.

7 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

JJAW and Fulgham both have the size and ability to be plus blockers from the H Back position, which is pretty much the same role that the TE2 plays

I’m looking more for that inline TE TE2 ie Celek and Geodart these guys were the main blockers let us flex Ertz put more... I want two of those types and will be a huge key for Geodart development if he can be moved around more to take advantage as a pass catcher....To me JJaw /Fulgham/ Burton/ Jackson/Butler whoever that to me is the TE3 role H-Back guys they aren’t going to be able to take Geodart place as the in-line guy which Stoll possibly could. Then of course we can also have Geodart and Stoll on the line to help run the ball as well having two plus blocking TEs 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Will we release Ertz??? I mean if we refuse to trade him for cheap able to get something at least why would we just flat out cut him??? 

Idk, I can think of about 8 million reasons. 

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Idk, I can think of about 8 million reasons. 

That we could have done by now and haven’t.... I fully get why we should but will we is something else all together.... We could save that money and get a 6th in a trade but we refuse to trade him for nothing????? So why would we just flat out cut him??? 

I won’t be shocked if we cut Ertz think we should but the way the FO has been reportedly acting with him seems to indicate we won’t let him go for nothing.

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

 

Geodart and Stoll could possibly give us those two TEs that can block be huge for the ground game 

This was my thing from the start.  Stoll is the guy I'm most interested in out of the late round draft picks / UDFAs.   I'd he can make the team,  it adds a dimension to our offense that we haven't had since we used Celek and Burton together.   

No offense to Ertz, he is a stud at what he does, but his poor blocking was the main reason the 12 formation didn't work for us lately.  He belongs in a system that has 3 WRs and you force the team to cover him with their 4th best option. 

The run game would be awesome if Goedert can be the receiving option when he is paired with another TE that can block.

7 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

That we could have done by now and haven’t.... I fully get why we should but will we is something else all together.... We could save that money and get a 6th in a trade but we refuse to trade him for nothing????? So why would we just flat out cut him??? 

Why would we have done that by now?   Nothing counts on the books until he has to get paid.  He can be cut right before the season starts.   The only advantage to do it now is if we use the space now for something.   But I just assumed they were going to roll Ertz cap savings into 2022.  They still have like 3 months to do that.  

7 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

JIC you missed one of his posts he mentioned this

 

SO why would they trade? Just wait until he's cut

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Why would we have done that by now?   Nothing counts on the books until he has to get paid.  He can be cut right before the season starts.   The only advantage to do it now is if we use the space now for something.   But I just assumed they were going to roll Ertz cap savings into 2022.  They still have like 3 months to do that.  

What’s the point of keeping him until the season starts???? Maybe the trade we want comes through which if we haven’t gotten anything now not likely to change in 3 weeks either I don’t think we are getting that 2nd or 3rd round pick they want... 

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

One of those teams Ham mentioned will sign him after he is released.  

Right,but they have no reason to TRADE us for him

11 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I won’t be shocked if we cut Ertz think we should but the way the FO has been reportedly acting with him seems to indicate we won’t let him go for nothing.

The leverage the Eagles have with Ertz.  If they cut him at final cuts... he goes on waivers.     You look around the league and at Hams list.   He could be claimed by teams ahead of others.  If a team wants him bad enough, they may give up a pick to prevent him from going somewhere else.   It may happen. The team that claims him would be on the hook for his current salary though.  That could play into it, which may allow him to clear waivers. 

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

What’s the point of keeping him until the season starts???? Maybe the trade we want comes through which if we haven’t gotten anything now not likely to change in 3 weeks either I don’t think we are getting that 2nd or 3rd round pick they want... 

The Sam Bradford scenario will always linger with this front office. 

Just now, joemas6 said:

It may happen. The team that claims him would be on the hook for his current salary though.  That could play into it, which may allow him to clear waivers. 

Which teams have reportedly made offers for Ertz and Eagles don’t want to trade him for nothing which goes back full circle of why would we then release him for nothing...

By all that stand point then would just make sense for us to old Ertz another year have him play up his value a tad more and be able to cut him next year with no dead money on the books or maybe get a better trade if he played well. 

We will hold onto Ertz in the event another team's TE get injured in camp(I mean a contending team) We could still muster something if that happened. 

But the main point being if we refuse to trade him because we are not getting the value we want for him why are we then willing to just cut him for nothing???? That doesn’t add up to me... 

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right,but they have no reason to TRADE us for him

I just gave the scenario that might work.  Are there stages anymore where teams need to make 1st cuts?  If not, the Eagles can hold Ertz until final cuts, what does it hurt you....89 guys instead of 90?  Who cares..  

If he gets cut, he goes on waivers.  A team that may want him enough, might give us something to avoid that.  That's really the leverage the Eagles have.  Right as teams are about to enter the season after going through camp and seeing their TE spot and if they need help.  Things seem to happen at the moment of truth.  Maybe Buffalo thinks Indy will claim him... they may want to avoid that?  Who knows.

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I just gave the scenario that might work.  Are there stages anymore where teams need to make 1st cuts?  If not, the Eagles can hold Ertz until final cuts, what does it hurt you....89 guys instead of 90?  Who cares..  

If he gets cut, he goes on waivers.  A team that may want him enough, might give us something to avoid that.  That's really the leverage the Eagles have.  Right as teams are about to enter the season after going through camp and seeing their TE spot and if they need help.  Things seem to happen at the moment of truth.  Maybe Buffalo thinks Indy will claim him... they may want to avoid that?  Who knows.

IDK didn't look,do we have the cap space to keep him?

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We will hold onto Ertz in the event another team's TE get injured in camp(I mean a contending team) We could still muster something if that happened. 

Correct. Or like I just said, if a team thinks another team will claim him off of waivers, and they want to avoid that.

The Eagles can wait, it still works the same cap wide with Ertz coming off the books.    Why not hold out until last minute even if it gets you a 7th round pick.  Nothing to lose at this point,  they already have been d@cks by not releasing him prior to free agency starting. 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK didn't look,do we have the cap space to keep him?

Go look and get your answer. 

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Correct. Or like I just said, if a team thinks another team will claim him off of waivers, and they want to avoid that.

The Eagles can wait, it still works the same cap wide with Ertz coming off the books.    Why not hold out until last minute even if it gets you a 7th round pick.  Nothing to lose at this point,  they already have been d@cks by not releasing him prior to free agency starting. 

Go look and get your answer. 

Nope lol unless he would do a re-do for 5 mil(we have 6 and change according to OTC). BTW have all our draftees been signed yet?

 

8 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

But the main point being if we refuse to trade him because we are not getting the value we want for him why are we then willing to just cut him for nothing???? That doesn’t add up to me... 

Because from the Eagles points of view.  They have until final cuts to get him off the books.   That is their last shot with leverage incase some team is afraid to lose him through a waiver claim.   

The Eagles have nothing to lose.  Unless they want the cap space now. 

On the roster all the draft picks are shown as unsigned

Ertz and a pick for Julio HAHAHAHA