51 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Superbowl.... not that the problem is in Indy.   Ward and Singleton will be carrying the Lombardi in February. 

LOL, So Wentz is not the problem last year. None of the issues came from the QB spot. All were due to the poor play from Singleton and Ward.... OK so we are comparing the 4-11-1 Eagles to the 11-5 Colts now. The Eagles, who not only had issues with the poor play from Wentz, but O-Line issues, CB issues, WR issues and RB issues. Wentz played terrible. Yes we can place part of the Blame on Injuries and lack of help from the coaches. There is no one that will tell you Wentz did anything close to average last season......

12 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah those Ward, Edwards and Singleton types I’ve liked. If they just could get the opportunity what would happen....oh wait...

Lmao 😂 let’s ignore the Hesters and Ostmans and all the others that did nothing… Ward who has what 400 yards as his best season I like Ward he is a great locker room guy but he shouldn’t be starting 

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not because of their play. The undrafted and CFL guys did their part. It was the so called Franchise big money player that couldn’t do his. 

Yea Wentz was bad but not like the offense got better when Hurts came in to play we stayed terrible… We had poor WR play poor OL play poor play basically everywhere… 

12 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

His tape looks much better than Zech Mcphersons. 

The guy who has college tape lol 😂 so a 4 year pro your comparing to a rookie now 

47 minutes ago, stine said:

LOL, So Wentz is not the problem last year. None of the issues came from the QB spot. All were due to the poor play from Singleton and Ward.... OK so we are comparing the 4-11-1 Eagles to the 11-5 Colts now. The Eagles, who not only had issues with the poor play from Wentz, but O-Line issues, CB issues, WR issues and RB issues. Wentz played terrible. Yes we can place part of the Blame on Injuries and lack of help from the coaches. There is no one that will tell you Wentz did anything close to average last season......

Lol... Ward and Singleton were the players,  I didn't bring Wentz into it.. that was Ham.    So I agreed,now that Wentz is gone, we can win a Superbowl.  Makes sense. 

" I told you if we gave these players a chance and put them in a good situation, they will do ok"

And in the same line of thought 

" I'm disappointed that this player didn't do well with everything going against him"     

I'm consistent.   I look at the team to put the player in a good position FIRST.   I get annoyed if the player messes up in that case.  I'm not interested in the players results when there is no chance for success.   It's why at the moment, with our current QB, I want to give him 2 years before  invest anything substantial in the position.  

44 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao 😂 let’s ignore the Hesters and Ostmans and all the others that did nothing… Ward who has what 400 yards as his best season I like Ward he is a great locker room guy but he shouldn’t be starting 

He is a great locker room guy =

She has a great personality.   

49 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao 😂 let’s ignore the Hesters and Ostmans and all the others that did nothing… Ward who has what 400 yards as his best season I like Ward he is a great locker room guy but he shouldn’t be starting 

I’m fine with him not starting. He obviously deserved to be on the team though...not the practice squad.

41 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Yea Wentz was bad but not like the offense got better when Hurts came in to play we stayed terrible… We had poor WR play poor OL play poor play basically everywhere… 

 

It's not a hard analysis for me.  The QB runs the offense,  the offense is supposed to put up points.   The yards and everything else are all tools to put up points.  Ultimately they mean nothing , points are what counts.   

Hurts put up less points... the big thing for him was the 2nd half of games.  Which is a concern,  because that comes after teams make adjustments.   You can see a good analogy with an NBA playoff series.  How inferior teams often win early in the series,but ultimately lose because the better team makes the adjustments and the inferior team can't handle them.   

What we need from Hurts now is to show he can handle things when defenses make their adjustments and take away his running and force him left.  If he can make some plays, then the defenses will have to come back with a 2nd adjustment.   Then we may have something. 

51 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao 😂 let’s ignore the Hesters and Ostmans and all the others that did nothing… Ward who has what 400 yards as his best season I like Ward he is a great locker room guy but he shouldn’t be starting 

Yeah Ostman was primed to contribute. They just never gave him an opportunity. Instead gave a third round pick for Avery and his massive contributions. Ostman cost nothing. See the difference here? An undrafted guy doesn’t have to give the same contribution as your franchise paid guy. Everybody has their own job and expectations. Hester was very solid in the rotation. Wasn’t ever going to become All Pro. Didn’t have to. He’s making league minimum. Malik on the other hand...getting big money...never did much. So yeah I’d argue we were much better off with Hester over the great Malik.

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

It's not a hard analysis for me.  The QB runs the offense,  the offense is supposed to put up points.   The yards and everything else are all tools to put up points.  Ultimately they mean nothing , points are what counts.   

Hurts put up less points... the big thing for him was the 2nd half of games.  Which is a concern,  because that comes after teams make adjustments.   You can see a good analogy with an NBA playoff series.  How inferior teams often win early in the series,but ultimately lose because the better team makes the adjustments and the inferior team can't handle them.   

What we need from Hurts now is to show he can handle things when defenses make their adjustments and take away his running and force him left.  If he can make some plays, then the defenses will have to come back with a 2nd adjustment.   Then we may have something. 

Yeah that’s the story with every single QB in history. Teams figure out their weakness and make them adjust. I have no problem with that assessment. Think we saw the same happen to Wentz last year....in his fifth year. He needed to show he could adjust. He couldn’t. Second half adjustments is even more difficult....especially during your rookie season. But let’s not blame the clutch 3rd and 12 pass Hurts placed perfectly to Goedert against Hurts. He was great. Extremely  high difficulty and he delivered. Goedert dropped it. He also tied the game after being down 16 to nothing at 26. But...it should have been taking the lead. Extra point was missed because Ertz bungled the hold. All because the punt got blocked earlier and the punter suffered a concussion. So can’t kick extra points or field goals. But let’s blame the rookie QB....for game winning drops....and bungled holds on field goals. 

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah Ostman was primed to contribute. They just never gave him an opportunity. Instead gave a third round pick for Avery and his massive contributions. Ostman cost nothing. See the difference here? An undrafted guy doesn’t have to give the same contribution as your franchise paid guy. Everybody has their own job and expectations. Hester was very solid in the rotation. Wasn’t ever going to become All Pro. Didn’t have to. He’s making league minimum. Malik on the other hand...getting big money...never did much. So yeah I’d argue we were much better off with Hester over the great Malik.

Where is ostman at now???? Hester where is he at now???? Avery contributed quite a bit have plenty of good pressures and got after the QB what we paid him for on a rookie deal…

I’d argue that we were better off with neither of them lol same with Malik and Hester… Though Malik when healthy was far better then anything Hester ever did…

That the issue the bar is set soooo low with these PS players we are ok with poor meh play that shouldn’t be the bar. 

I love how we like to highlight missed opportunities for Hurts as to why he was good…. Wentz had plenty of missed opportunities that could have altered the year as well can’t tell you how many dropped passes I seen from Hightower that were on the money….

Fact is the team was bad the QB play was bad yes both guys the OL was bad, WRs were bad. 
 

Think it was time to just accept the fact our team was bad last year and everyone was at fault not just one guy. 

Sure we had some glimmers and hopefully those guys all take strides this coming season

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah that’s the story with every single QB in history. Teams figure out their weakness and make them adjust. I have no problem with that assessment. Think we saw the same happen to Wentz last year....in his fifth year. He needed to show he could adjust. He couldn’t. Second half adjustments is even more difficult....especially during your rookie season. But let’s not blame the clutch 3rd and 12 pass Hurts placed perfectly to Goedert against Hurts. He was great. Extremely  high difficulty and he delivered. Goedert dropped it. He also tied the game after being down 16 to nothing at 26. But...it should have been taking the lead. Extra point was missed because Ertz bungled the hold. All because the punt got blocked earlier and the punter suffered a concussion. So can’t kick extra points or field goals. But let’s blame the rookie QB....for game winning drops....and bungled holds on field goals. 

Wentz needed to show he could adjust playing with a musical chairs lineup.

Hurts needed to show he could adjust after he couldn't run.  And specifically go to his left.   

So teams took 4 years to figure out how to put Wentz in a bad spot?  What specifically did defenses to as they figured out Wentz?    I want to hear this top level analysis.  

 

So down by a TD(remember it should have been six instead of seven except for the bungled extra point) we have the ball on our own twenty two. Hurts drives us all the way down the field and puts it in Goedert’s hands in the endzone. Somehow you come away from that as Hurts got beat by second half adjustments? He can’t perform in the second half? Whatever else you wrongly came up with. I came away with: Hurts is CLUTCH! 

I’m looking at Hurts he needs Mcnabb type jump in year 2…

3500ish pass yards 25 tds 12(or fewer ints)

500-600 rush yards 3-5 tds under 5 fumbles(this is huge he fumbled way to much and often in 4 games) 

16 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Where is ostman at now???? Hester where is he at now???? Avery contributed quite a bit have plenty of good pressures and got after the QB what we paid him for on a rookie deal…

I’d argue that we were better off with neither of them lol same with Malik and Hester… Though Malik when healthy was far better then anything Hester ever did…

That the issue the bar is set soooo low with these PS players we are ok with poor meh play that shouldn’t be the bar. 

120 tackles from the PS isn’t that low if a bar

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I’m looking at Hurts he needs Mcnabb type jump in year 2…

3500ish pass yards 25 tds 12(or fewer ints)

500-600 rush yards 3-5 tds under 5 fumbles(this is huge he fumbled way to much and often in 4 games) 

I'm looking at how he can improve the offense and put up points.    

14 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I love how we like to highlight missed opportunities for Hurts as to why he was good…. Wentz had plenty of missed opportunities that could have altered the year as well can’t tell you how many dropped passes I seen from Hightower that were on the money….

Fact is the team was bad the QB play was bad yes both guys the OL was bad, WRs were bad. 
 

Think it was time to just accept the fact our team was bad last year and everyone was at fault not just one guy. 

Sure we had some glimmers and hopefully those guys all take strides this coming season

I said it before it happened. You are stating it in hindsight. So as long as you aren’t speaking to me with this comment.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

120 tackles from the PS isn’t that low if a bar

Tackles is like a 1975 stat.  

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

120 tackles from the PS isn’t that low if a bar

Show me Ostman 120 takcles lol or Hesters hell show me 5 sacks from them… You can bring up Singleton all you want he is one decent player out of how many???? 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I said it before it happened. You are stating it in hindsight. So as long as you aren’t speaking to me with this comment.

Lmao coming from the guy making every excuse in the book for Hurts terrible play 

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Wentz needed to show he could adjust playing with a musical chairs lineup.

Hurts needed to show he could adjust after he couldn't run.  And specifically go to his left.   

So teams took 4 years to figure out how to put Wentz in a bad spot?  What specifically did defenses to as they figured out Wentz?    I want to hear this top level analysis.  

 

No! I didn’t say that. Wentz wasn’t great his rookie year. Wasn’t great his third season. Wasn’t great most of his fourth season. Was the worst QB in the league his fifth.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Wentz wasn’t great his rookie year

Far superior to Hurts rookie year and with less to work with 

Just now, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Show me Ostman 120 takcles lol or Hesters hell show me 5 sacks from them… You can bring up Singleton all you want he is one decent player out of how many???? 

In the art of " I called it"   it's all about numbers.    You throw more names out there and more chance you get one.  The misses are irrelevant.   

Or we going to act like DGB was that difference maker that was the best WR Wentz had…. 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Tackles is like a 1975 stat.  

Yeah, how dare I judge a Lb on tackles

Just now, joemas6 said:

In the art of " I called it"   it's all about numbers.    You throw more names out there and more chance you get one.  The misses are irrelevant.   

Well I call every player on the roster being great so if one hits i called it lmao