So if a LB leads the league in missed tackles....that’s also 1975 talk

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah, how dare I judge a Lb on tackles

Nate Gerry had 127 tackles in 2019…. Don’t think people were calling him good because of it…. The stay alone is misleading… Singleton was solid though i like him think he would be better as the 2nd or 3rd LB though but considering how little we invest at LB he is likely the best we will get 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No! I didn’t say that. Wentz wasn’t great his rookie year. Wasn’t great his third season. Wasn’t great most of his fourth season. Was the worst QB in the league his fifth.

You said in year 5 defenses figured out his weakness.  What specifically did they figure out and what was it that he couldn't adjust to?  

I gave you specifically the things with Hurts.  What did defenses do to Wentz?  

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So if a LB leads the league in missed tackles....that’s also 1975 talk

See Nate Gerry

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Well I call every player on the roster being great so if one hits i called it lmao 

You already did that. You thought we had a great team. Ended in four wins. You lose!

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You said in year 5 defenses figured out his weakness.  What specifically did they figure out and what was it that he couldn't adjust to?  

I gave you specifically the things with Hurts.  What did defenses do to Wentz?  

See Nate Gerry

They figured out to pressure him. He hangs on to the ball and tries to play hero ball. So he fumbles under pressure. Also the DBs learned they don’t actually have to cover anything....just have your eyes up because Wentz will throw it to you.

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Nate Gerry had 127 tackles in 2019…. Don’t think people were calling him good because of it…. The stay alone is misleading… Singleton was solid though i like him think he would be better as the 2nd or 3rd LB though but considering how little we invest at LB he is likely the best we will get 

Singleton was also solid in zone coverage. Something haters don’t want to recognize.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You already did that. You thought we had a great team. Ended in four wins. You lose!

Lmao 😂 and all your great PS player were on that team and ended in 4 wins you lose 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Singleton was also solid in zone coverage. Something haters don’t want to recognize.

I never knocked Singleton in coverage so try again 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I never knocked Singleton in coverage so try again 

I specifically stated : haters. Are you a Singleton hater?

We got all pro LB Singleton shut down CB Craig James…. Had Elite DL Ostman…. All Pro Greg Ward…. How could we have lost those guys alone should have gotten us 6 wins 

We all know Singleton was better than Gerry.   We should all realize this without looking at " tackles" stats.  

Stats are more for baseball.  Even there, they don't tell the whole story.   Tackles is the play the offense runs and how you are set up to defend it.  The LBs should make a lot of tackles, the blocking is geared to the D line.  

Where and how the tackles are made tell more of a story, and the eye test is enough to see the impact players make. You don't need to look at stats for tackles. 

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They figured out to pressure him. He hangs on to the ball and tries to play hero ball. So he fumbles under pressure. Also the DBs learned they don’t actually have to cover anything....just have your eyes up because Wentz will throw it to you.

Ohhhhhhhhh.  They figured out to pressure him?   Ohhhh man, why didn't any defense figure that out.    

The genius of Todd Bowles... he figured out what to do to slow down Mahomes was to pressure him.   

That's genius... pure genius.   

Had zero to do with the Eagles or KC OL... it was just a strategy from the defense and the QBs not adjusting.  

Idk why these defenses waited so long to figure out all you need to do is pressure the QB.   That seems like a genius strategy. 

But yeah I thought Singleton deserved to play instead of PS. Yes, I thought Ward earned a spot instead of PS. Edwards....on and on. For some reason we just weren’t willing to give these guys the opportunity we..,at least I could clearly see they deserved.  53 man roster. Everybody doesn’t have to carry the same weight. But just give guys that earned it a shot to contribute. Im fine with not holding everybody to the same standard. Brooks I want Pro Bowl level play. He goes down to injury and Herbig steps in undrafted....it’s just not the same bar. Herbig did very well. Held his own. I expect Brooks to dominate. I was happy Herbig wasn’t a big weakness. I’m absolutely fine with sliding scales of expectation.

5 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

We got all pro LB Singleton shut down CB Craig James…. Had Elite DL Ostman…. All Pro Greg Ward…. How could we have lost those guys alone should have gotten us 6 wins 

James and Ostman got injured.

I see Kareem as the all time leading scorer in the NBA.   I bet if defenses used the strategy of blocking his sky hook... he wouldn't have been so successful.   

Why don't people figure these simple strategies out sooner.   I bet if Tom Brady was pressured right from the snap, he wouldn't have won 7 rings. Teams should try that.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ohhhhhhhhh.  They figured out to pressure him?   Ohhhh man, why didn't any defense figure that out.    

The genius of Todd Bowles... he figured out what to do to slow down Mahomes was to pressure him.   

That's genius... pure genius.   

Had zero to do with the Eagles or KC OL... it was just a strategy from the defense and the QBs not adjusting.  

Idk why these defenses waited so long to figure out all you need to do is pressure the QB.   That seems like a genius strategy. 

How basic it was to make Wentz look like the worst QB in the league.

Just now, joemas6 said:

I see Kareem as the all time leading scorer in the NBA.   I bet if defenses used the strategy of blocking his sky hook... he wouldn't have been so successful.   

Why don't people figure these simple strategies out sooner.   I bet if Tom Brady was pressured right from the snap, he wouldn't have won 7 rings. Teams should try that.

Brady learned to be super accurate, read defenses and get the ball out quickly....specifically attacking where the blitz was coming. Not sure Wentz was very good in any if these three areas.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Brady learned to be super accurate, read defenses and get the ball out quickly

All these are traits that have alluded all Eagles QBs that I know… Hurts doesn’t seem like he will bucks that trend either he isn’t super accurate… Should get better at reading a D but not sure he will be Brady/Manning…. hurts held the ball longer then Wentz if I recall correctly soooo getting the ball out quickly not so much his game either. 
 

We just gotta accept the type of QB we go for as a franchise 

It’s the double edge sword of mobile QBs they can extend but also tends to have them do more and hold the ball longer Wilson is in that same group… So definitely can find success… But those pocket guys who aren’t going to beat you with there legs are going to move that ball fast 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It’s the double edge sword of mobile QBs they can extend but also tends to have them do more and hold the ball longer Wilson is in that same group… So definitely can find success… But those pocket guys who aren’t going to beat you with there legs are going to move that ball fast 

I agree with this. You can be an athletic QB that is on the same page with his receivers though. It’s becoming real apparent how difficult a mobile QB can be for DCs. So a QB that is a threat to run it should open up some extra passing opportunities that aren’t there for a strictly pocket passer.

33 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Tackles is like a 1975 stat.  

I’d say Singleton’s play spoke for itself. He deserved more than to be on the PS. Really thought he’d bail on the NFL when he didn’t make the team initially. We got real lucky he stuck it out.

15 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Brady learned to be super accurate, read defenses and get the ball out quickly....specifically attacking where the blitz was coming. Not sure Wentz was very good in any if these three areas.

Yeah, he seemed to forget against the Giants in the Superbowls. 

Same with Wentz.  His ridiculous numbers against the blitz year 2, then in year 5 he forgot.

Teammates don't matter.

14 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

All these are traits that have alluded all Eagles QBs that I know… Hurts doesn’t seem like he will bucks that trend either he isn’t super accurate… Should get better at reading a D but not sure he will be Brady/Manning…. hurts held the ball longer then Wentz if I recall correctly soooo getting the ball out quickly not so much his game either. 
 

We just gotta accept the type of QB we go for as a franchise 

Nobody can figure out how to handle a jailbreak.... when the DL constantly puts pressure on you without the need to blitz... and your receiving options are below average.   And when it's a constant changing of players around you.   

This is not... " oh let's put pressure on the QB"   that's the goal on every play.   Now blitzing and sending extra guys...that's a strategy.   Did teams have to blitz the Eagles more last year?    I think they did a little.  And for sure our inability to pick up the blitz was an issue.   But that wasn't the whole story.  

The game isn't that simple where pressure just gets created that easily.  You can't do that to good teams. Teams..  not QBs ... teams. 

10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d say Singleton’s play spoke for itself. He deserved more than to be on the PS. Really thought he’d bail on the NFL when he didn’t make the team initially. We got real lucky he stuck it out.

I'd say you are 100% correct.... and I would also say bringing up the tackle Stat was a waste and doesn't mean anything.   BG brought up Nate Gerry having 127 tackles.   What does that mean?  Irrelevant... Singleton better than Nate Gerry ...period.  

35 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Hurts held the ball longer then Wentz if I recall correctly soooo getting the ball out quickly not so much his game either. 

 One aspect you are not considering is that Hurts faces a ton of zone defense, which requires more time for the qb to get the ball out since in man you can often identify a favorable matchup and let it fly right away.

Teams won't be able to play much man against Hurts because a DB could be watching a receiver while Hurts is already 30 yards down the field. For Hurts to be successful, he is going to have to be able to identify soft spots in zones to deliver the ball. The good thing is that our old offensive system was based mostly on four vertical routes, which was terrible since, far too often, the four guys running the routes weren't vertical threats, so it made it easy on the defense.

A new system based on crossing patterns, levels and screens/bunch formations should make it much easier to Hurts to either get the ball out quickly, wait for a play to develop down field or take off and run.

So instead of a progression going through four receivers every play, it will often be two options, with running being the third option.

It should lead to a lot of easy throws to open receivers, and stress the defense since they will have to be constantly aware of the running threat.

I watched a lot of film recently from Wentz's rookie year, and I would suggest doing that, since that offense is what I think ours will look like. Wentz almost never made it to three progressions. He was constantly hitting checkdowns or Matthews and Ertz (RBs, Matthews and Ertz accounted for 230 of the team's 380 completions.)

I think our offense could be a much better version of this, considering we have a much better oline and better receivers. And we also have the benefit of Hurts being able to run, which adds a dimension to the offense that we didn't have.

The biggest question will be whether or not Hurts will be able to attack the third level of the defense. That depends on Hurts as well as the young wrs.    

55 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It’s the double edge sword of mobile QBs they can extend but also tends to have them do more and hold the ball longer Wilson is in that same group… So definitely can find success… But those pocket guys who aren’t going to beat you with there legs are going to move that ball fast 

It doesn’t have to be that way. Patrick Mahomes is very capable of running. But he can kill you from the pocket ...and does. Russel Wilson been b1tching about his blocking. I agree with him. He’s been able to overcome bad protection by out running the defender. He’ll run backwards and around the DE or blitzer....but he still looks to throw and not just run. That’s a big key here.