4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I mean. What happened in 2017?   Like for 13 games?   Guys need to get open, I think we really understate how bad our WRs were.  Or the lack of practice time they all had with wentz.  Forget the Covid, I'm talking about guys going in and out of the lineup all year.  

Teammates matter.  If you went to any games live, one trend I saw a ton, the drops didn't match the routes.   The thing I saw a ton, Wentz ready to throw ASAP, WRs not looking for the ball, no where near their breaks.  i'm not talking about timing routes outside, I'm talking about drags, crossing patterns, stuff that the WRs didn't seem to have urgency... like old andy WC offense stuff.   Caused Wentz to sit there too close to the line and no where to throw,  The deeper drops seemed to work better.    I think this was what we lost with Reich.  Details to plays.  I like Doug when you give him a good game plan, I think he calls a decent game.  But without Reich's influence on play design and the overall game plan, he wasn't as effective.    Plus let's be honest.... the last 2 seasons he wasn't given much at all to work with.  

We were third in the league in rushing in 2017. That was a big thing that happened.

You’re third in rushing you get great playaction. But it wasn’t just the amount of rushing yards. It was the brutal style we ran the ball with. Blount and Ajayi didn’t go out of bounds. They ran over guys. You have a power back hitting DBs and forcing them to make tackles and you notice they are a step off in coverage after they took that thigh bruise tackling. Peters went downhill after 2017. Lane been dealing with his injury ever since the Super Season also. That’s both T struggling. 2018 Wallace was the speed replacement...injured...did nothing. Rb room went to the PS. Rushing Dropped to 29th. Wentz wasn’t very good. He actually got benched. Team picked up and backdoored the playoffs under Foles. Tim Jernigan suffers an injury that he’s too embarrassed about to even say what happened in the offseason. I know that’s defense....but a good defense always helps the offense. So sure everybody thinks Reich is the savior. But it also was DeFellipo. Having Groh at WR coach. These guys were all in on the game planning. Moved to Groh and Taylor game planning with Duce. The young guys just weren’t experienced. Reich is an excellent OC. DeFellipo is an excellent QB coach. DeFellipo got two jobs as OC in Minnesota and Jax....retry well failed at both. Reich has been an ok HC. In 2017 we had all these offensive coaches in their perfect spots.

Joseph Santoliquito of the Philly Voice published a report last month that described Wentz as "selfish,” "uncompromising,” and "egotistical." The report cited "more than a half dozen players" on the roster and noted Wentz is viewed unfavorably compared to Nick Folesin the Eagles locker room.  
  Of coarse there was also this

Was all that due to not having Reich’s help gameplanning? 

9 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I mean. What happened in 2017?   Like for 13 games?   Guys need to get open, I think we really understate how bad our WRs were.  Or the lack of practice time they all had with wentz.  Forget the Covid, I'm talking about guys going in and out of the lineup all year.  

Teammates matter.  If you went to any games live, one trend I saw a ton, the drops didn't match the routes.   The thing I saw a ton, Wentz ready to throw ASAP, WRs not looking for the ball, no where near their breaks.  i'm not talking about timing routes outside, I'm talking about drags, crossing patterns, stuff that the WRs didn't seem to have urgency... like old andy WC offense stuff.   Caused Wentz to sit there too close to the line and no where to throw,  The deeper drops seemed to work better.    I think this was what we lost with Reich.  Details to plays.  I like Doug when you give him a good game plan, I think he calls a decent game.  But without Reich's influence on play design and the overall game plan, he wasn't as effective.    Plus let's be honest.... the last 2 seasons he wasn't given much at all to work with.  

Regardless of all the other factors, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a QB who was the second overall pick and who signed a $32 million a year contract to be able to outplay a rookie second round pick who almost everyone considered to be a reach and who also didn't have an offseason.

Yeah, the team was a mess last year. But a big part of the problem was that our $32 million QB that we spent a ton of resources to take second overall played worse than a second round rookie. Come up with all the excuses you want for why that happened, it doesn't excuse the fact that it happened. 

Just for those who were worried about Grimes he was place on our IR after clearing waivers 

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Yeah, the team was a mess last year. But a big part of the problem was that our $32 million QB that we spent a ton of resources to take second overall played worse than a second round rookie. Come up with all the excuses you want for why that happened, it doesn't excuse the fact that it happened. 

I mean they played about the same but Wentz should have definitely played at a higher level… But the entire team was a mess at the same time…..

Our QB play was dreadful last season and part of that was purely the QBs others was the terrible team around them. Poor OL play, poor WR play injuries etc. 

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Joseph Santoliquito of the Philly Voice published a report last month that described Wentz as "selfish,” "uncompromising,” and "egotistical." The report cited "more than a half dozen players" on the roster and noted Wentz is viewed unfavorably compared to Nick Folesin the Eagles locker room.  
  Of coarse there was also this

I take all these reports with a grain of salt….Players that won’t go on record but numerous players coming out defended him even guys like Jenkins and Long who weren’t with the team 

14 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I take all these reports with a grain of salt….Players that won’t go on record but numerous players coming out defended him even guys like Jenkins and Long who weren’t with the team 

Ham has an agenda

it's pretty clear

11 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It will lessen the blow but if we passed on a franchise QB that we could have gotten sitting at 12…. Especially if Hurts doesn’t pan out….

But again Inalso acknowledged the flip if Hurts pans out and we get Smith as an elite WR then hey good on us 

You can't pick a franchise QB as somebody who was "a guy available at 12".  This is a guy that is likely going to impact the direction of your franchise for the next decade.  If you don't love him, don't pick him.  

I don't think anybody in the Eagles organization loved Fields.  I can't say I blame him, he never really impressed me all that much.

If we whiffed on him and Hurts is a bust, then we pick near the top of the draft next year.  With potentially 3 1s we can certainly get almost anybody we want.

2 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Ham has an agenda

it's pretty clear

I just put more value in players putting there name out on the record about a guy…. Chris Long and Jenkins neither are afraid to speak there minds and neither was with the team so I find it hard they wouldn’t speak truthfully about it… If Wentz was bad teammate or remotely like they are saying they would have said it.

2 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

You can't pick a franchise QB as somebody who was "a guy available at 12".  This is a guy that is likely going to impact the direction of your franchise for the next decade.  If you don't love him, don't pick him.  

I don't think anybody in the Eagles organization loved Fields.  I can't say I blame him, he never really impressed me all that much.

If we whiffed on him and Hurts is a bust, then we pick near the top of the draft next year.  With potentially 3 1s we can certainly get almost anybody we want.

Your missing the point entirely if Fields blows up and is a franchise guy that we passed on and Hurts busts it isn’t a good look…. It’s like the bears picking Mitch over Mahomes or all the teams that passed on Mahomes really.

Don’t think all those teams and fans are like damn we really could have had Mahomes 

For the record I wasn’t a Fields fan doesn’t change the fact that if he is that franchise caliber guy and we passed it looks bad especially if Hurts is a bust. 

21 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I just put more value in players putting there name out on the record about a guy…. Chris Long and Jenkins neither are afraid to speak there minds and neither was with the team so I find it hard they wouldn’t speak truthfully about it… If Wentz was bad teammate or remotely like they are saying they would have said it.

AMEN

13 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I can’t get enough of watching film breakdown and highlights of Milton Williams. Plays on the other side of the line of scrimmage the whole time!

I think the key thing with Milton....was who he was playing against that was on the other side of the line.

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We were third in the league in rushing in 2017. That was a big thing that happened.

So teammates matter

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You’re third in rushing you get great playaction. But it wasn’t just the amount of rushing yards. It was the brutal style we ran the ball with. Blount and Ajayi didn’t go out of bounds. They ran over guys. You have a power back hitting DBs and forcing them to make tackles and you notice they are a step off in coverage after they took that thigh bruise tackling. Peters went downhill after 2017. Lane been dealing with his injury ever since the Super Season also. That’s both T struggling. 2018 Wallace was the speed replacement...injured...did nothing. Rb room went to the PS. Rushing Dropped to 29th. Wentz wasn’t very good. He actually got benched. Team picked up and backdoored the playoffs under Foles. Tim Jernigan suffers an injury that he’s too embarrassed about to even say what happened in the offseason. I know that’s defense....but a good defense always helps the offense. So sure everybody thinks Reich is the savior. But it also was DeFellipo. Having Groh at WR coach. These guys were all in on the game planning. Moved to Groh and Taylor game planning with Duce. The young guys just weren’t experienced. Reich is an excellent OC. DeFellipo is an excellent QB coach. DeFellipo got two jobs as OC in Minnesota and Jax....retry well failed at both. Reich has been an ok HC. In 2017 we had all these offensive coaches in their perfect spots.

I think you should go rewatch some of that 2017 season.   Watch those Denver,  Carolina and Rams games.  Just the short 10 minutes of recaps.    Those games where the running game wasn't so great and we lit up the scoreboard.    

I think the running game came into play a lot in the second halves of games... once we got leads.  At least the part that made us 3rd in rushing.  

As Eagles fans, being so accustomed to pass, pass and more passing.  It seemed like we ran the ball so much. 

The first 13 games, 3rd down conversions, plays vs the blitz, red zone... those areas we saw complete domination. Run game was good, let's not act like it was early 1980s Washington though. 

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Joseph Santoliquito of the Philly Voice published a report last month that described Wentz as "selfish,” "uncompromising,” and "egotistical." The report cited "more than a half dozen players" on the roster and noted Wentz is viewed unfavorably compared to Nick Folesin the Eagles locker room.  
  Of coarse there was also this

This was a huge factor in the lack of success in 2017. 

Philly vs ATL tonight need to take back control of the series need a big win tonight!!!!! 

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

Regardless of all the other factors, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a QB who was the second overall pick and who signed a $32 million a year contract to be able to outplay a rookie second round pick who almost everyone considered to be a reach and who also didn't have an offseason.

Yeah, the team was a mess last year. But a big part of the problem was that our $32 million QB that we spent a ton of resources to take second overall played worse than a second round rookie. Come up with all the excuses you want for why that happened, it doesn't excuse the fact that it happened. 

Right.. the team should never put a player in position to fail.   Not an excuse for the player in the degree they fail.. which after winning a Superbowl I don't understand why this is so important to fans?    I'm talking about the degree of failure. 

 We've been to the top of the mountain,  we've seen how  QBs handled playing with all the tools... why isn't the fact that those tools were so awful in 2019 and 2020 not what a lot of fans focus on?     I don't get it.  Would 7 or 8 wins and slightly better stats been better for this team in the long run?    

I don't get how people don't focus on the cause more than the effect?   Doug didn't forget how to coach and Wentz didn’t forget how to play QB.   I don't see how any intelligent football fan can't see how the factor that led it all go to crap was the roster both of them were given.  Totally baffles me. 

Now many of the same fan base only want to give Hurts one year to prove anything?   I don't get it. 

On ‎6‎/‎10‎/‎2021 at 11:32 AM, joemas6 said:

Yeah, he seemed to forget against the Giants in the Superbowls. 

Same with Wentz.  His ridiculous numbers against the blitz year 2, then in year 5 he forgot.

Teammates don't matter.

  Year two he got rid of the ball faster. Year 5 he forgot how to toss the ball away or use his safety outlets. Eye test will tell you that...

 two completely different players. Blame it on the rest of his team if you want, but he just played like the worse QB in the league last year.

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Just for those who were worried about Grimes he was place on our IR after clearing waivers 

LOL I posted that Wednesday. Oh well. No biggie brother. 

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

 

I don't get how people don't focus on the cause more than the effect?   Doug didn't forget how to coach and Wentz didn’t forget how to play QB.   I don't see how any intelligent football fan can't see how the factor that led it all go to crap was the roster both of them were given.  Totally baffles me. 

 

Sure looked like he did to me! Footwork was terrible Did not go through his progressions. Never threw the ball away to avoid a sack when nothing was open. Constantly overthrew balls done the middle into the safeties hands. Forced throws when others were wide open. Yes, he did not have much help, but it didn't matter. It may have been something outside of football that cause some of these issues. Maybe the front office, maybe personal life. I really don't know, but he was not nearly the same QB we saw the first three years. Not even close. I don't doubt he can do it in Indy. It has shown he can play the game. Just did not look like he wanted any part of this team last year.....

Eagles agreed to terms with WR Michael Walker and signed TE Richard Rodgers.

2 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

Eagles agreed to terms with WR Michael Walker and signed TE Richard Rodgers.

Walker apparently a ST's ace. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/philadelphia-eagles-agree-to-deal-with-former-jaguars-wr-michael-walker/ar-AAKSB4s